Eric S Johnson wrote:
dear NCDNHC,Well you are unfortunately mistaken. THere most certainly is. Check
> > I don't see the connection. Does it follow that
> > if an organization is NON-PROFIT, it is a commercial?
> To answer your question directly, yes. Legally, if you are not
> as a NON-COMMERCIAL entity specifically in most countries legal
> definition and in compliance with US law as well, and rather are legally
> defined as NON-PROFIT, than that entity is by it's own admission,
> engaged in some commercial activity.
something's not right in this discussion.
there is no distinction in US law (that i'm aware of) that would define
whether you're commercial or non-commercial.
the only distinction in US lawIRS tax code provides for several "Classifications" of NON-PROFIT
(and strictly speaking, it's not in the law, it's in the IRS tax code) is
whether you're a for-profit or a non-profit (or a religious) organization.
Strictly speaking this statement is factually incorrect.
the distinction exists only to provide tax privileges to those who are not
for-profits. otherwise, the government doesn't care what you call yourself.
Not strictly speaking. I for instance have been involved on both sides
every organization that exists gets funding from someone to do something,
and is therefore in some way commercial.
This is all well and fine. But it does not necessarily distinguish your
my NGO (or PVO, depending on your terminology) is a non-profit, i.e. we have
a certificate from the IRS authorizing us to be exempted from corporate
income tax under article 501(c)(3) of the US tax code. we exist because we
get grants from foundations to do "good" work.
are we commercial orI did not say that and your language semantics here are unwarranted as
non-commercial? i'd say that by almost any definition we're non-commercial,
and therefore jeff's definition above--which says anyone non-profit must be
at any rate, in our work there's no commerce goingIf those grants can be tied to a service as a means of payment in order
on--except insofar as, essentially, foundations are "buying" our services by
giving us grants.
but by that definition, everything's commercial:Yes this example would be strictly speaking a Commercial enterprise
greenpeace is commercial because their "members" buy their services; your
local Department of Transportation office is commercial because you "buy"
their services when you pay your $25 fee for your driver's license.
Not necessarily. It may be advisable that a new Constituency such as a
semantic games aside, how are we going to draw the line here? if the point
is to give a voice to a segment of society (or societies) which don't
otherwise have a voice in ICANN, then in some way NCDNH is a constituency
for everyone not in any other constituency. ??
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