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Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] The North American DNSO BoD chair - [Attn. Becky Burr]
- To: firstname.lastname@example.org, ICANN Comments <Comments@icann.org>
- Subject: Re: [IFWP] Re: [ga] The North American DNSO BoD chair - [Attn. Becky Burr]
- From: "Brian C. Hollingsworth" <email@example.com>
- Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:52:45 +0100
- CC: firstname.lastname@example.org, "Mark C. Langston" <email@example.com>, Kent Crispin <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Theresa.Swinehart@wcom.com" <Theresa.Swinehart@wcom.com>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, commerce <email@example.com>, "firstname.lastname@example.org" <email@example.com>, "Esther (The clueless) Dyson" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "email@example.com" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
- Organization: IHOJ - International House of Justice, Sr. Legal Advisor
- References: <199910131824.LAA13745@agamemnon.home.com> <3804649A.C443EC96@ix.netcom.com>
Jeff and Everybody,
Yes Jeff it seems that both you and Mr. Langston have hit the
the nail on the head as you put it. I fail to see Mr. Crispin's arguments
in a valid light, and seem to be bent towards some other "Agenda" that he
has yet to adequately reveal. It appears that there has been some
laws broken here, which I will be looking into shortly, in the state of
california as well as some US Federal statutes under 1st amendment
Jeff Williams wrote:
> mark and all,
> Well Mark it is pretty obvious, as kent's logic usually is, that
> he is mostly concerned that HIS candidate might not get elected.
> So therefore he as some others can justify any false argument
> of their perverted choosing.
> But you have yet again hit the nail on the head here Mark. Karl
> was only truing to do some "Outreach" as part of his volunteerism
> and at the same time doing a little "campaigning" as well. Nothing
> wrong with that. What IS wrong is the the DNSO Secretariat
> and the DNSO Admin. have poorly handled this process as they
> have deliberately broken their own rules.
> Mark C. Langston wrote:
> > On 13 October 1999, Kent Crispin <email@example.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >In Karl's particular case, it is the candidate himself who was
> > >engaged in "nomination stuffing".
> > [...snip]
> > Then the NC itself is guilty of this. The Secretariat of the NC
> > sent out an announcement on 17 Sep 1999, that began:
> > [
> > [ Sent to: firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org
> > [ email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org
> > [
> > [ The members of the Names Council are requested to forward
> > [ this announcement to the Constitiencies mailling lists
> > [ in order to reach all DNSO General Assembly members.
> > [
> > In short, the NC via their Secretariat urged the NC members themselves
> > to go to each Constituency and do exactly what Karl did. Why did
> > Karl do it? Because ICANN steadfastly refuses to recognize any form
> > of an individual domain name owner's constituency.
> > Further, the messsage stated:
> > The Names Council has resolved that a candidate, in order to
> > be nominated must have the support of, at least, 10 members
> > of the General Assembly. For this purpose, anybody who is
> > subscribed to the General Assembly mailing list, the
> > Announce mailing list or the list of one of the
> > Constituencies of the DNSO is considered a member of the
> > General Assembly. As the Annouce and General Assembly list
> > are open, anybody wishing to participate in the nomination
> > process may subscribe to one of these lists and be
> > considered a member of the General Assembly.
> > ...here, the Secretariat explicitly directs people to subscribe to the
> > GA list, then participate in the vote. This is exactly what you're
> > accusing Karl of, except that Karl knew he was a candidate, and
> > was requesting support for himself.
> > Most people call this "campaigning".
> > (the entire announcement may be found at:
> > http://www.dnso.org/clubpublic/ga/Archives/msg00655.html )
> > It's also interesting that even the beginning of the message assumes
> > that the GA is broader than the original definition accepted in San
> > Jose. But that's another discussion, in a different post.
> > --
> > Mark C. Langston
> > email@example.com
> > Systems Admin
> > San Jose, CA
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman INEGroup (Over 95k members strong!)
> CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
> Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
> E-Mail firstname.lastname@example.org
> Contact Number: 972-447-1894
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Brian C. Hollingsworth
Sr. Legal Advisor, International House of Justice Internet
Communications Affairs and Policy
Advisory council for Public Affairs and Internet Policy, European