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ICANN Meetings in Lisbon Portugal

Transcript - ccNSO Council Meeting

28 March 2007

Note: Although transcript output is largely accurate, in some cases it is incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the session, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WE ARE JUST WAITING FOR OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE TELEPHONE TO BE CONNECTED. ARE THEY PRESENT? THEY'RE NOT THERE. WE WILL JUST GIVE IT ANOTHER COUPLE OF MINUTES. NEITHER OF THEM ARE THERE?

WE WILL START. WE WILL START AND HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE ABLE TO JOIN US WHEN THEY'RE READY. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A QUORUM. WE SEEM TO BE DOING OKAY.

OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY. THIS IS THE MEETING OF THE CCNSO COUNCIL. THERE MAY BE SOME NEW PEOPLE IN THE ROOM, SO I'M GOING TO START BY ASKING THE COUNCILLORS TO SAY WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY'RE FROM AND WE'LL START WITH THE PERSON WHO DOESN'T NEED A MICROPHONE. BERNIE?

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: I'M A NEW PERSON?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM.

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: HI. I'M BERNARD TURCOTTE. I'M FROM THE NORTH AMERICAN REGION AND SPECIFICALLY REPRESENT THE DOT CA REGISTRY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU. SLOBODAN?

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: SLOBODAN MARKOVIC. I AM FROM SERBIA (OFF MICROPHONE).

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WE WILL GET TO THAT. YOU ARE ACTUALLY A NOMINATING COMMITTEE -- A NOMINATING COMMITTEE APPOINTMENT, OKAY?

>>PAULOS NYIRENDA: I'M PAULOS NYIRENDA. (INAUDIBLE).

>>ONDREJ FILIP: I'M ONDREJ FILIP. I'M FROM (INAUDIBLE) REGISTRY, DOT CZ.

>>KEITH DRAZEK: I'M KEITH DRAZEK, AND I'M WITH DOT US.

>>HIRO HOTTA: HIRO HOTTA FROM DOT JP.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY FROM DOT MX.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC FROM NORTH AMERICA, DOT VI, U.S. VIRGIN ISLANDS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: CHRIS DISSPAIN FROM AUSTRALIA.

>>YOUNG EUM LEE: YOUNG EUM LEE FROM DOT KR.

>>BECKY BURR: BECKY BURR. I'M A NOMCOM MEMBER.

>>CHARLES SHA'BAN: CHARLES SHA'BAN, NOMCOM.

>>MOHAMMED EL BASHIR: MOHAMMED EL BASHIR, DOT SD.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: OLIVIER GUILLARD, FRENCH.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: IN OH SO MANY WAYS.

[ LAUGHTER ]

WE HAVE TWO OF OUR COUNCILLORS -- THREE, ACTUALLY, I THINK. EDUARDO. WE HAVE EDUARDO SANTOYO AND PATRICIO POBLETE AND BART VASTENBURG WHO IS NOT WITH US.

I AM GOING TO START IF I MAY WITH AN APOLOGY. WE WOULD NORMALLY BY THIS STAGE HAVE SOME SORT OF AN AGENDA PUT TOGETHER AND AVAILABLE FOR EVERYBODY BUT WE JUST SIMPLY RAN OUT OF TIME. I HAVE AN AGENDA AND I WILL GO THROUGH IT AND THEN, OF COURSE, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE ELSE TO BRING UP ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY NEED TO. SO MY APOLOGIES FOR THAT.

THE FIRST ITEM IS THE APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR. AT OUR LAST MEETING IN SAO PAULO WE APPOINTED -- I WAS APPOINTED AS -- AH, VICTOR, WELCOME. I KNEW THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE MISSING.

>>BART VASTENBURG: BART VASTENBURG.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THEY ARE HERE?

>>BART VASTENBURG: HELLO, THIS IS BART VASTENBURG.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AH, THAT'S BART. CAN YOU HEAR US, BART?

>>BART VASTENBURG: ABSOLUTELY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WONDERFUL, WELCOME. I JUST SAID YOU WERE ABSENT. CONGRATULATIONS ON NOT BEING ABSENT.

>>BART VASTENBURG: THANK YOU (CHUCKLES).

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AT OUR MEETING IN SAO PAULO BECAUSE WE HAD IMPENDING COUNCIL ELECTIONS, WE APPOINTED ME AS INTERIM CHAIR AND PATRICIO AND INTERIM VICE CHAIR UNTIL THIS MEETING. AND NOW THOSE -- AND THE APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR NEED TO BE MADE FOR A FULL 12-MONTH TERM. THIS WORKS OUT BETTER FOR US BECAUSE OUR ELECTIONS ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE AFTER THE LAST MEETING IN THE YEAR AND, THEREFORE, TO APPOINT THE CHAIR AT THE LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. SO HAVING NOW BEEN ABLE TO SHIFT THAT TO APPOINTING THE CHAIR AT THE FIRST MEETING OF THE YEAR MAKES A LOT MORE SENSE.

SO I AM GOING TO ASK -- SORRY, YES. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: I AM GOING TO NOMINATE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: IN A S.E.C. BEFORE WE DO THAT I NEED TO PASS THE CHAIR TO SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE I CAN'T CHAIR THE BIT WHERE THE CHAIR GETS TALKED ABOUT. SO WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO CHAIR? OSCAR, WOULD YOU MIND CHAIRING? YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE IN FRONT OF YOU SO YOU GO AHEAD. I PASS THE CHAIR TO YOU, OSCAR.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO?

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: CALL FOR NOMINATIONS. OKAY. SO, FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED CHAIR TRAINING. ARE YOU GOING TO DO IT? DOTTY, YOU WILL DO IT?

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: I HAVE ACCEPTED THE CALL FOR NOMINATIONS AND I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE CHRIS DISSPAIN AS CHAIR OF THE CCNSO COUNCIL FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS, ET CETERA, OR WHATEVER, AS LONG AS IT TAKES.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>ONDREJ FILIP: SECOND.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? SO YOU NEED TO ANNOUNCE THE RESOLUTION NOW, OSCAR.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: WE HAVE THE VICE CHAIR.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AFTER.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: AFTER THAT?

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: CHRIS DISSPAIN HAS BEEN NOMINATED.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: AND SECONDED.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: SO WE WILL HAVE A VOTE.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: PLEASE -- CAN WE VOTE FOR THIS PROPOSAL, TO HAVE CHRIS AS A CHAIRMAN.

(RAISING HANDS).

THOSE AGAINST? ABSTENTIONS?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: ME.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: YES, PLEASE.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: NOW YOU CAN PASS IT BACK TO ME.

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: YES. NO, NO, I HAVE GOT THIS ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, INDEED. GEE, I TELL YA.

OKAY. SO THE NEXT APPOINTMENT IS VICE CHAIR. I DON'T KNOW IF PATRICIO IS ON THE PHONE? PROBABLY NOT. BUT WE CAN'T FIND HIM.

BUT I WOULD -- IN HIS ABSENCE, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE PATRICIO CONTINUES AS THE VICE CHAIR FOR THE NEXT 12 MONTHS. MAY I HAVE A SECOND, PLEASE?

>>ONDREJ FILIP: SECOND.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU. THAT WAS ONDREJ WHO GOT IN FIRST. SO I WILL PUT THE RESOLUTION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF PATRICIO BEING VICE CHAIR.

(RAISING HANDS).

ANYONE AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? PROBABLY PATRICIO IF HE WAS HERE. GOOD. I WILL CHAIR AND PATRICIO WILL VICE CHAIR.

GOOD. THE SECOND ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE IANA WORKING GROUP. THE IANA WORKING GROUP HAS GONE THROUGH A CHANGE OF MEMBERSHIP BECAUSE IT HAS A MECHANISM IN PLACE TO ALLOW FOR ROTATION OF MEMBERSHIPS. THE IANA WORKING GROUP IS OUR ONLY -- THE ONLY WORKING GROUP WE HAVE THAT KIND OF EXISTS ALWAYS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FUNCTIONS THAT WE PERFORM. SO I WOULD LIKE, OLIVIER, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND TO RUN THROUGH THE PEOPLE -- WE HAVE TO RATIFY THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE WORKING GROUP. SO IF YOU COULD RUN THROUGH THAT.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: WE ADOPTED IN SAO PAULO MEMBERSHIP FOR ROTATION OF MEMBERS IN THE IANA WORKING GROUP. THE LIST OF PEOPLE OF MEMBERS OF THE WORKING GROUP HAS BEEN POSTED TO THE LIST. WE WOULD -- IF THE COUNCIL WOULD ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, WE WOULD HAVE IN THE GROUP (SAYING NAMES).

AND ALSO THE IANA STAFF (SAYING NAMES).

SO THAT'S IT. IF THE COUNCIL ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, HERE IS THE LIST OF MEMBERS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY. I WILL TREAT THAT AS OLIVIER PUTTING THE -- PROPOSING THE RESOLUTION. WHAT'S THE CHANGE, OLIVIER? COULD YOU TELL US?

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: YES. I WAS WAITING FOR THE COUNCIL -- IF THE COUNCIL ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION, WE WOULD THANK MOHAMMED EL BASHIR FROM SUDAN, ALAN LEVIN FROM SOUTH AFRICA, DAVID FERRAR FROM DOT NZ, BART MACKAY, AND BERNIE TURCOTTE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE NEED TO PASS TWO RESOLUTIONS. THE FIRST ONE BEING THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW MEMBERS AND THE SECOND ONE A VOTE OF THANKS TO THOSE WHO HAVE DILIGENTLY SERVED AND ARE SERVING NO MORE ON THE IANA WORKING GROUP.

SO THE PROPOSED RESOLUTION IS THAT THE IANA WORKING GROUP BE CONSTITUTED WITH MEMBERS THAT OLIVIER HAS READ OUT. MAY I HAVE A SECONDER FOR THAT, PLEASE? THANK YOU, SLOBODAN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

(RAISING HANDS).

ANYBODY AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? BART, IF YOU ARE THERE, YOU WILL SHOUT IF YOU NEED TO SAY SOMETHING.

>>BART VASTENBURG: I WAS RAISING MY HAND WITH YOUR FIRST.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY. AND THE SECOND --

>>BART VASTENBURG: IN MY OFFICE THERE IS A WINDOW AND PEOPLE ARE LOOKING VERY STRANGELY IN MY WINDOW.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AND THE SECOND RESOLUTION WOULD BE THAT THE CCNSO COUNCIL THANKS THOSE THAT BERNIE READ OUT FORMALLY FOR THEIR SERVICE ON THE IANA WORKING GROUP. SECONDER PLEASE? SLOBODAN AGAIN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

(RAISING HANDS).

ANYBODY AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH, INDEED.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: THANK YOU, CHRIS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU, OLIVIER.

THE THIRD ITEM IS TO DO WITH THE IDN WORKING GROUP. WE NEED TO FORMALLY INSTRUCT THAT WORKING GROUP TO -- WAS THAT SOMEONE JOINING THE CALL? WAS THAT PATRICIO? NO, OKAY.

WE NEED TO FORMALLY INSTRUCT THE WORKING GROUP TO SEND OUT THE DRAFT ISSUES PAPER FOR COMMENT AND TO WORK WITH THE GAC MEMBERS OF THAT WORKING GROUP TO PRODUCE A SECOND DRAFT PAPER FOR OUR MEETING IN PUERTO RICO. ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER?

>>OSCAR ALEJANDRO ROBLES-GARAY: PATRICIO RECEIVED A WRONG NUMBER SO MAYBE GABBY COULD SEND HIM --

>> DONNA AUSTIN: WE ARE TRYING.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: BART, DO YOU HAVE THE TELEPHONE NUMBER YOU DIALED? IS IT A EUROPEAN NUMBER?

>>BART VASTENBURG: DUTCH NUMBER ACTUALLY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.

>>MARGARITA VALDES: YOU NEED A NUMBER?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: APPARENTLY PATRICIO HAS THE WRONG NUMBER.

>>BART VASTENBURG: I WILL SEND A E-MAIL TO PATRICIO NOW.

>> (INAUDIBLE).

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: HERE IS GABBY. PATRICIO HAS THE WRONG NUMBER. HE IS ON MESSENGER.

>> (OFF MICROPHONE).

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WE WILL JUST WAIT QUIETLY FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

>> CAN WE PASS A RESOLUTION FOR A NUMBER?

>> DONNA AUSTIN: (INAUDIBLE).

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THE CCNSO GAC WORKING GROUP IS CONSTITUTED UNDERNEATH THE CCNSO IDN WORKING GROUP SO IT IS THE CCNSO IDN WORKING GROUP THAT WE NEED TO INSTRUCT. AND THEN THEY GO AWAY AND ORGANIZE IT WITH WHOEVER IT IS THEY NEED TO ORGANIZE. THANK YOU FOR CHECKING.

SO WE WILL MOVE ON, AND PATRICIO CAN JOIN US AS SOON AS HE IS READY. SO I WAS ASKING IF THERE WAS ANY DISCUSSION ON THE TASKING OF THAT JOINT WORKING GROUP. NO? OKAY. YES, OLIVIER.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: SORRY FOR THE QUESTION. COULD YOU PLEASE RECALL QUICKLY -- BECAUSE THERE WILL BE ONE PAPER PRODUCED BY THE JOINT WORKING GROUP.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YES.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: NOT ONE PAPER PRODUCED BY THE CCNSO AND ANOTHER ONE PRODUCED BY THE GAC?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THE PAPER WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS THE ISSUES REPORT THAT IS BEING PREPARED TO GO TO THE BOARD OF ICANN AT THEIR REQUEST. SO THE INTENTION IS THAT WE WILL TELL OUR PEOPLE IN OUR IDN WORKING GROUP TO WORK WITH THE GAC TO PRODUCE A SECOND DRAFT, OKAY?

SO THE KEYS ARE, ONE, PUBLISH -- INTERNALLY PUBLISH, THAT'S FOR US, PUBLISH FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AND, TWO, TO WORK WITH THE GAC MEMBERS TO PRODUCE A SECOND DRAFT IN TIME FOR US TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN PUERTO RICO. OKAY? SO CAN I HAVE SOMEONE PROPOSE THAT RESOLUTION?

CAN'T PROPOSE EVERYTHING, SLOBODAN, BUT YOU CAN. SECONDED BY BERNIE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>>BART VASTENBURG: HERE, HERE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU, BART.

(RAISING HANDS).

ANYBODY AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? EXCELLENT. THE THIRD -- SORRY, FOURTH ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS A VERY SIMILAR RESOLUTION IN RESPECT TO THE REGIONS WORKING GROUP. WE HAVE TO TASK THAT WORKING GROUP TO WORK ON THE EXISTING PAPER, AGAIN, TO PUBLISH INTERNALLY FOR COMMENT AND THEN TO PREPARE ANOTHER DRAFT OF THAT REPORT -- ISSUES REPORT FOR US TO CONSIDER IN PUERTO RICO.

SO ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? YES, PAULOS.

>>PAULOS NYIRENDA: JUST NOTE THAT AFRICA AFTLD EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE HAS TAKEN A STAND ON THIS AND THAT THE WORKING GROUP TAKES NOTE OF THIS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: ABSOLUTELY.

>>PAULOS NYIRENDA: THANKS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I'M SURE THAT THE WORKING GROUP WILL INCORPORATE ALL COMMENTS INTO REPORT. WHETHER THEY ARE SPECIFIC OR GENERAL, THEY WILL GET INCORPORATED.

OKAY. PATRICIO, ARE YOU HERE?

>>PATRICIO POBLETE: YES. HELLO EVERYONE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: IN YOUR ABSENCE YOU HAVE BEEN RE-ELECTED AS VICE CHAIR.

>>PAULOS NYIRENDA: [ LAUGHTER ]

I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS RUNNING.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WE NEED A LITTLE MORE VOLUME. WE NEED A BIT MORE VOLUME FOR PATRICIO. TRY AGAIN, PATRICIO.

>>PATRICIO POBLETE: HELLO, EVERYBODY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU. THAT'S ALMOST SAME. BUT WE WILL ALL BE VERY QUIET WHEN YOU SPEAK.

>>PATRICIO POBLETE: OKAY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THAT'S BETTER. THANK YOU.

>>PATRICIO POBLETE: I WILL TRY TO SPEAK LOUD.

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: (INAUDIBLE).

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: PATRICIO HAS THANKED EVERYBODY WARMLY FOR HIS VOTE OF CONFIDENCE IN BECOMING VICE CHAIR AGAIN.

>>PATRICIO POBLETE: I WAS NOT AWARE I WAS RUNNING FOR THE JOB.

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: WHICH MAKES IT EVEN BETTER.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: PATRICIO, IT IS A FUNCTION OF BEING IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME. BUT, SERIOUSLY, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH BEING REAPPOINTED?

>>PATRICIO POBLETE: WELL, YES. I HOPE TO BE THERE IN PERSON THE NEXT TIME I MAY ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE CHAIR FOR MEETING IN YOUR ABSENCE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. SO BACK TO THE REGIONS QUESTION. THE RESOLUTION THEN IS THAT WE INSTRUCT -- TASK THE WORKING GROUP TO PUT THE PAPER OUT FOR COMMENT AND TO DRAFT ANOTHER VERSION OF THE PAPER FOR OUR MEETING IN PUERTO RICO.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHO IS ON THAT WORKING GROUP?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH. WORKING GROUP COMPRISES DAVID ARCHBOLD -- GABBY, DO YOU HAVE A LIST?

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: COUNTRIES, I WANT TO KNOW.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WE WILL FIND OUT WHO IS ON IT. OSCAR IS ON WORKING GROUP SO THAT'S MEXICO. BECKY IS ON THE WORKING GROUP SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE A COUNTRY IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS ORGANIZATION. DAVE IS CHAIRING THE WORKING GROUP. CAYMAN.

>> IT IS DAVID ARCHBOLD, OSCAR MORENO.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OSCAR MORENO IS PUERTO RICO.

>> MOHAMMED EL BASHIR.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: SUDAN.

>> OSCAR ROBLES

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: MEXICO.

>> DAVID CHEN

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: TAIWAN.

>> (INAUDIBLE), BECKY BURR AND DON HOLLANDER.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AND DON HOLLANDER FROM APTLD. AND I AM ALSO LURKING AROUND JUST MAKING A NUISANCE OF MYSELF.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE SOME LARGE COUNTRIES ON THIS LIST IF WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH.

>> WHAT?

[ LAUGHTER ]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WE ARE NOT A COUNTRY. WE ARE A CONTINENT. OKAY. CAN WE NOT -- CAN WE -- LET'S SUGGEST TO DAVE THAT HE ROUND UP A COUPLE MORE -- A COUPLE OF MORE MEMBERS ON THE WORKING GROUP.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: BECAUSE THEY DON'T CONSIDER IT IMPORTANT UNLESS THERE'S PUSH.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THAT'S TRUE. WE'LL DO THAT. SO CAN I HAVE A PROPOSAL FOR THE RESOLUTION, PLEASE? BECKY.

>>BECKY BURR: I SO MOVE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. A SECONDER, PLEASE? ONDREJ, THANK YOU. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

>>BART VASTENBURG: HERE HERE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU. ANYONE AGAINST? ANYONE ABSTAINING? GOOD.

OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM IS -- I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE NEED TO RESOLVE ANYTHING ON THIS, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO NOTE IT THAT WE WILL BE RECEIVING A DRAFT THAT I SENT YOU OUT A LETTER FROM THE IDN WORKING GROUP IN RESPECT TO THE SPEED WITH WHICH THE IDN IMPLEMENTATION HAPPENS AND THAT WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO PASS ON OUR LIST THAT LETTER AND FORWARD IT TO THE BOARD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THAT'S REALLY JUST A NOTE WE DON'T NEED TO RESOLVE ANYTHING ON THAT. BUT IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT POINT?

I WANT TO MOVE ON TO ANOTHER MATTER NOW. THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE YESTERDAY WILL RECALL A DISCUSSION THAT AROSE IN THE IANA SESSION WHEN SLOBODAN TALKED ABOUT THE SUPPOSED REQUIREMENT TO RETIRE A CCTLD AS A CONDITION OF THE GRANT OF A NEW ONE. I'M NOT -- I GUESS WHAT I WANT TO DO IS TO ASK WHETHER WE THINK THERE IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DO ABOUT THAT, AND SEE IF -- IF THERE'S ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MIGHT BE. BERNIE?

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: WELL, IF -- GIVEN WE KNOW ABOUT --

[SPEAKER IS OFF MICROPHONE] I THINK MAYBE A VALID OPTION WOULD BE TO HAVE YOU, AS CHAIR

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: BART AND PATRICIO NEED TO HEAR YOU SO --

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: I BELIEVE PROBABLY MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE'VE GOT HERE, I THINK, IS THERE'S A LACK OF POLICY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH.

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: HOWEVER, THE PEOPLE IN MONTENEGRO AND --

[SPEAKER IS OFF MICROPHONE]

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: YEAH. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THIS REDELEGATION. THERE ARE NEW COUNTRIES, SO IT'S NOT A CASE OF A COUNTRY CHANGING ITS NAME, WHERE THERE MIGHT BE SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR A TRANSITION AGREEMENT. IN THIS CASE, YUGOSLAVIA IS THERE. THERE ARE TWO NEW COUNTRIES. THERE'S SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO, WHICH HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TWO NEW CODES, RS --

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: ME.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: AND ME. AND THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME HANGUP AT IANA BECAUSE THERE'S NO POLICY DELEGATING ME UNTIL YU GETS RESOLVED, WHICH INSTINCTUALLY I FEEL IS UNFAIR BECAUSE THIS IS NOT A CHANGE OF COUNTRY NAME. THERE HAVE BEEN TWO NEW ENTITIES CREATED. SO POSSIBLY THE BEST THING TO DO WOULD BE IF WE COULD ASK OUR CHAIR TO HAVE A CHAT WITH THE MOST SENIOR MANAGEMENT AT ICANN ABOUT THIS, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS CONCERN, I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY AS FAR AS WHAT TO DO WITH DOT YU.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: HANG ON. SLOBODAN FIRST AND THEN DOTTY.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: LET ME JUST BRIEFLY GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITUATION. DOT YU'S MANAGER, MS. [SAYING NAME] IS ACTUALLY A DIRECTOR OF THE NEW SERBIAN REGISTRY, SO -- AND PARTS OF HER TEAM WERE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE BOARD OF THE NEW REGISTRY. SO THE REGISTRY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO RUN DOT YU AND DOT RS ARE BASICALLY --

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THE SAME.

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: THE SAME PEOPLE.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: YEAH. HOWEVER, THE GUYS IN MONTENEGRO, THEY SET UP A COMPLETELY NEW REGISTRY, AND MONTENEGRO -- MONTENEGRO REGISTRY GOT ALL PERMISSIONS FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY ALSO SET UP THE SECONDARY SERVERS. THEY MOVED ON PRETTY FAR IN IMPLEMENTING EVERYTHING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR DELEGATION.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YES.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: SO -- AND WE ALSO SIGNED A CONTRACT WITH THEM REGARDING WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH DOT YU, THAT WE WILL DO WHATEVER -- WHATEVER WE DO, WE WILL DO IN COORDINATION, BASICALLY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I UNDERSTAND.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: SO -- AND, I MEAN, I -- WE STILL DON'T HAVE POLICY ON THIS. BUT WE DON'T EXPECT DOT YU TO CONTINUE TO HANG ON LIKE SOME OTHER TLDS IN THE PAST. WE WOULD -- WE JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO SHOVE THIS DECISION ON WHAT TO DO WITH DOT YU BEING FORCED ON US NOW.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YES.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: SO THAT'S BASICALLY THE ONLY CONCERN THAT WE HAVE.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I UNDERSTAND.

>>BERNIE TURCOTTE: AND SLOWING DOWN DOT ME.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AND SLOWING DOWN DOT ME, YEAH.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: THE MAIN REASON WHY I INITIATED THIS CONVERSATION NOW IS THE GUYS IN DOT ME ARE BASICALLY AT THE END -- ALMOST AT THE END OF THE PROCESS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: AND THEY DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GO ABOUT THIS ISSUE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH IANA. THEY DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO ANSWER, YOU KNOW.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I UNDERSTAND. OKAY.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: AND SO BASICALLY I THINK DURING THE CONVERSATION WITH THE PEOPLE FROM IANA, I REALIZED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME CONCERNS REGARDING SUNRISE PERIOD FOR DOT RS AND DOT ME, BECAUSE MOST PROBABLY, DOMAIN NAME HOLDERS -- CURRENT DOT YU DOMAIN NAME OWNERS WILL HAVE SOME KIND OF AN ADVANTAGE DURING THE SUNRISE PERIOD FOR BOTH DOT RS AND DOT ME BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY DIRECT COPYING.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WE UNDERSTAND.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: SO -- BUT OF COURSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH EITHER -- WITH EITHER THE MANAGER OF DOT YU OR THE -- YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH DOT YU.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY. DOTTY, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING?

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: WELL, HE BASICALLY ANSWERED MY QUESTION EXCEPT I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU: ARE THERE GOING TO BE NO NEW DELEGATIONS IN DOT YU? RIGHT?

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: THE MOMENT WHEN REGISTRATION OF DOT RS STARTS, NO, THERE WILL -- THERE WILL BE NO MORE --

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: DOT YUS.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: DOT YUS, YES.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: RIGHT. AND WHEN IS THAT SUPPOSED TO START?

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: WELL, AS SOON AS WE GET DOT RS DELEGATED.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY. OSCAR?

>>OSCAR ROBLES: YES. EVEN THOUGH I AM SYMPATHETIC WITH SLOBODAN'S HISTORY OR ARGUMENT, I THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T EXPRESS TO SPECIFIC CASES.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

>>OSCAR ROBLES: SO WE SHOULD TRY TO ASK FOR A SPECIFIC GENERAL POLICY OR --

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OR A CLARIFICATION OF THE EXISTING POLICY.

>>OSCAR ROBLES: RIGHT.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: SO THAT -- THANK YOU. THE PROPOSAL FROM BERNIE IS THAT WHAT WE DO IS WE RESOLVE TO ASK ME TO CONTACT PAUL TWOMEY TO COMMENCE DISCUSSIONS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT EXIST IN RESPECT TO THE RETIREMENT, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WORD, OF CCTLDS WITH SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE YOU ARE NOT SIMPLY DEALING WITH A SWAP OF ONE SET OF INITIALS TO -- OF LETTERS TO ANOTHER SET OF LETTERS WHICH -- WHICH IS EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND DEAL WITH THAN THE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

SO THAT WOULD BE THE PROPOSAL.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY A POLICY. THAT'S SORT OF EMERGENCY STRATEGY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WELL, OKAY. THAT'S TRUE. THE -- THAT'S TRUE. THE CHALLENGE IS THAT THE ONLY REAL WAY OF DOING THIS WOULD BE TO REDRAFT 1591, AND I SUSPECT THAT THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NECESSARILY WANT TO DO AT THIS STAGE.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO FIND -- WHAT WE WOULD BE TRYING TO DO IS TO FIND A CLARIFICATION MECHANISM, OR SOME SORT OF ADMINISTRATIVE TOOL THAT WE COULD USE TO ENSURE THAT THERE IS SOME CLARITY AROUND WHAT -- WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING. OLIVIER?

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT ON THE ICANN WEB SITE, IANA HAD LAUNCHED PUBLIC CONSULTATION --

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YES.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: ON THE DISCUSSION OF RETIRING COUNTRY CODE TOP-LEVEL DOMAINS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YES.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT OVER THE IANA WORKING GROUP MEETING WE HAD ON MONDAY, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE IDEA NOW IS IANA IS PURSUING ITS WORK OF CONSULTING OTHER PARTIES TO MAKE A REPORT TO THE BOARD.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YES.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: IT COULD BE INTERESTING, JUST AS A COMMENT, TO HAVE A LOOK ON THE COMMENTS THAT WAS -- THAT WERE POSTED TO THIS CONSULTATION.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: AND I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO AND SUPPORT ALSO THE OSCAR COMMENTS, THAT I'M NOT SURE WE SHOULD ENTER INTO PARTICULAR CASES. MAYBE TO WORK ON GENERAL POLICIES.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I AGREE WITH THAT. OKAY.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: RATHER.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY. I AGREE WITH THAT, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'VE SAID ABOUT THE -- ABOUT THE CONSULTATION. BUT I WOULD -- I WOULD MAKE A DISTINCTION. THE CONSULTATION IS ABOUT THE RETIREMENT OF CCTLDS. THIS IS ACTUALLY ABOUT DELEGATION. AND THE FACT -- THAT HAPPENS TO BE TIED UP WITH THE RETIREMENT OF A CCTLD.

SO IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, AND WE NEED TO TRY AND MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS SOME WAY OF DEALING WITH THAT.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: CAN I SAY SOMETHING?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: I AGREE THAT WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOWARDS POLICY, BUT I THINK THAT IN THE PROCESS OF DEALING WITH INDIVIDUAL, SPECIFIC INSTANCES IS GOING TO BE THE WAY IN WHICH THE RIGHT POLICY APPROACH EMERGES.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH. ABSOLUTELY. AND CLEARLY, YOU USE -- CLEARLY WHEN YOU'RE DISCUSSING CLARIFICATIONS IN POLICIES, YOU USE EXAMPLES. AND ONE OF THOSE EXAMPLES MAY -- YOU MAY NOT LABEL THE EXAMPLE, BUT YOU USE EXAMPLES BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY WORK OUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE -- TO BE DEALT WITH.

SO -- ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS POINT? YES, SLOBODAN.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: I JUST HAVE A SHORT COMMENT. REGARDING THE SITUATION OF WHETHER WE NEED OR DO NOT NEED POLICY ON THIS.

I MEAN COUNTRIES DO FALL APART SOMETIMES, OCCASIONALLY.

[LAUGHTER]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: SOME OF US HAVE BEEN FALLING APART FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: YEAH. AND THE COUNTRIES ALSO JOIN TOGETHER, SO WE HAD IN THE PAST, I GUESS, 15 TO 20 YEARS AT LEAST THREE SUCH SITUATIONS, TO MY -- TO MY COUNTING.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YES, YES.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: SO -- AND WE MAY -- AND THESE SITUATIONS MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, SO...

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: ABSOLUTELY.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: SO I'M REALLY A SUPPORTER OF -- OF DRAFTING AN OFFICIAL POLICY ON THIS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY.

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: YOU KNOW, BEFORE, IN THE PAST YEARS, IT WAS ALL DECIDED BY JON POSTEL, SO --

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OF COURSE.

[LAUGHTER]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: SO THE RESOLUTION THEN IS THAT I -- IS THAT THE COUNCIL ASKS ME TO CONTACT THE CEO OF ICANN TO COMMENCE -- TO COMMENCE DISCUSSIONS ON DELEGATIONS OF NEW CCTLDS IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE THEY ARE -- I'M NOT GOING TO REPEAT IT ALL. WE KNOW THE CIRCUMSTANCES. THE CIRCUMSTANCES SIMILAR TO THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST IN RESPECT TO SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: SORRY, CHRIS. WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO HAVE A MORE GENERIC WAY OF SAYING THE RESOLUTION.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY.

>>OLIVIER GUILLARD: NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING THE SPECIFIC CCTLD.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH. WHERE -- WHERE --

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC:.

[SPEAKER IS OFF MICROPHONE]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY. THAT'S ACTUALLY QUITE A GOOD IDEA. SO WHERE -- TO COMMENCE DISCUSSIONS ON CLARIFYING THE SITUATION WHERE THE DELEGATION OF A NEW CCTLD IS BEING TIED TO HAVE THE RETIREMENT OF AN EXISTING CCTLD. IS THAT OKAY?

>>SLOBODAN MARKOVIC: YES.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY. CAN SOMEONE PROPOSE THAT RESOLUTION. BERNIE? THANK YOU. A SECONDER, PLEASE. YOUNG EUM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? ANYBODY AGAINST? ANY ABSTENTIONS? EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.

WE NOW MOVE ON TO THE FINAL COUPLE OF ITEMS WHICH ARE GENERALIST ITEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS WE DON'T NEED A RESOLUTION ON THIS, BUT AS YOU -- THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN IN THE ROOM KNOW THAT WE HAVE A DRAFT NEW WEB SITE. I HAVE ASKED GABBY TO SEND OUT THE URL TO THE COUNCIL. I WOULD VERY MUCH -- WELL, I'M ASKING YOU NOW TO SEND OUT THE URL TO THE COUNCIL.

[LAUGHTER]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN TO ASK YOU BUT I'M NOW REMEMBERING TO ASK YOU.

AND I WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNCIL ESPECIALLY TAKE A LITTLE TIME AND HAVE A LOOK AT THE WEB SITE AND COME UP WITH ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT NEED -- OF THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ON THERE. THERE ARE STILL A LOT OF PAGES THAT AREN'T FILLED OUT, SO, FOR EXAMPLE, LIST OF COUNCILLORS IS NOT UP YET, ET CETERA, BUT WE WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE INPUT ON THAT.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: AND THE URL?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THE URL WILL BE E-MAILED TO YOU.

>>DOTTY SPARKS DE BLANC: OKAY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY? WE ARE -- I HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA. THEY ARE TO DO WITH THE RETIREMENT OF A COUNCILLOR AND THE APPOINTMENT OF A NEW COUNCILLOR, AND FINALLY, THEY ARE -- TO DO WITH DONNA, JUST SO THAT SHE'S SURE -- CLEAR THAT WE ARE GETTING TO HER EVENTUALLY. BUT BEFORE I GO TO THOSE TWO ITEMS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO -- WOULD LIKE TO RAISE FOR DISCUSSION AT THIS MEETING?

OKAY. SO THE FIRST IS THAT AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HELD -- WE HELD A -- YOU CAN'T REALLY CALL IT AN ELECTION, BECAUSE THERE ACTUALLY WASN'T AN ELECTION, BUT WE HAD A SERIES OF COUNCILLORS RETIRING AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING, AND ALL OF THOSE COUNCILLORS, WITH ONE EXCEPTION, RETURNED TO THE COUNCIL. THE ONE BART VASTENBURG WHO DECIDED THAT HE WAS NOT ABLE TO STAND AGAIN FOR REELECTION, AND SO AT THE END OF THIS MEETING, WE WELCOME LESLEY COWLEY FROM DOT UK AS A COUNCILLOR FOR THE EUROPEAN REGION. SO WELCOME, LESLEY.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO PASS A VOTE OF THANKS TO BART, WHO HAS BEEN AROUND AS A COUNCILLOR SINCE THE -- ALMOST SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE CCNSO. HE REPLACED BART BOSWINKEL, SO WE REPLACED ONE BART WITH -- IN FACT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET YOU TO CHANGE YOUR NAME TO, LESLEY, TO BART COWLEY, WHICH WE THINK HAS A CERTAIN RING TO IT. BART, ARE YOU THERE?

>>BART VASTENBURG: ABSOLUTELY.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YOU ARE. WOULD YOU -- BEFORE I PROPOSE A RESOLUTION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING?

>>BART VASTENBURG: WELL, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE TO, FIRST OF ALL, JUST EXPRESS MY THANKS TO WORKING WITH SOME EXCELLENT FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS. I REALLY ENJOYED IT VERY MUCH. AND I DO WISH BART COWLEY ALL THE BEST IN HER --

[LAUGHTER]

>>BART VASTENBURG: -- FOLLOWING UP WITH THE ACTIVITIES. AND I MUST SAY I'M QUITE EMOTIONAL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE FACT WITH 34 YEARS OLD, THIS IS MY FIRST RETIREMENT IN LIFE.

[LAUGHTER]

>>BART VASTENBURG: IT DOES FEEL LIKE AN EMPTINESS WHICH I WILL MOST DEFINITELY BE ABLE TO FILL WITH SOMETHING ELSE, BUT THANKS SO MUCH FOR EVERYTHING.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU, BART. SO I -- I'D LIKE TO PROPOSE A FORMAL RESOLUTION OF THANKS TO BART VASTENBURG FOR HIS EXTRAORDINARY CONTRIBUTION TO -- BOTH BEFORE HE WAS A COUNCILLOR AND SINCE HE HAS BEEN A COUNCILLOR, TO THE FORMATION AND THE WORK OF THE CCNSO, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE MYSELF THE PRIVILEGE OF PROPOSING THAT RECENT AND I'LL ASK SOMEONE ELSE TO SECOND IT.

>>OSCAR ROBLES: SECOND IT.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AND MAY I SUGGEST THAT WE PASS THAT RESOLUTION BY ACCLAMATION.

[APPLAUSE]

>>BART VASTENBURG: WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OH, IT'S AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE, BART.

[LAUGHTER]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: FINALLY, DONNA, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, DONNA IS MOVING ON TO GACER PASTURES. AND WILL DOUBTLESS BE LOOKING EVEN MORE STRAINED AND TIRED AT THE NEXT --

[LAUGHTER]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: -- ICANN MEETING. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE A RESOLUTION THAT -- IT'S A MAJOR COLLAPSE OF GLASSES OUTSIDE, I THINK. PROPOSE A RESOLUTION THANKING DONNA FOR STICKING WITH US THROUGH THICK AND THIN, AND BEING PREPARED TO PUT IN ALL OF THE WORK AT MANY A LATE NIGHT, GIVEN THE TIME ZONE ISSUES, AND SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND WE WILL -- WE WILL MISS YOU. CAN I HAVE A SECONDER FOR THE RESOLUTION, PLEASE? THANK YOU ONDREJ. WE CAN PASS THAT BY ACCLAMATION AS WELL.

[APPLAUSE]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: ONE FINAL ITEM FROM ME. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY TO GABBY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR WORKING SO HARD AT THIS MEETING. I KNOW IT WAS YOUR FIRST ONE AS THE SECRETARIAT. IT WAS ACTUALLY FANTASTIC TO HAVE SOMEBODY TOTALLY DEVOTED TO MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING RUNS SMOOTHLY, AND I PROMISE TO GET BETTER AT TELLING YOU -- TELLING YOU THINGS THAN I HAVE UP UNTIL NOW.

[LAUGHTER]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: AND ALSO SAY THANK YOU, BART, FOR -- BIG BART, BIG BART AT THE BACK, FOR THANKING -- FOR BEING PREPARED TO COME BACK AND STEP INTO DONNA'S SHOES. NOT AN EASY TASK IN SEVERAL WAYS.

[LAUGHTER]

>> FEET'S TOO BAG.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: YEAH, IF WE COULD HAVE A SHOE PASSING CEREMONY AT THIS STAGE, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC.

[LAUGHTER]

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: UNLESS THERE IS ANY OTHER BUSINESS -- KEITH?

>>KEITH DRAZEK: JUST PERHAPS A QUICK THANKS TO THE SCRIBES AND THE SUPPORT STAFF.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THAT'S EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, WE DO NEED TO THANK THE SCRIBES WHO PUT UP WITH ONE NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE, TWO, NOT BEING ABLE TO HEAR, AND ALSO THE SOUND GUYS AND EVERYTHING FOR THE MEETING. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH INDEED.

>>YOUNG EUM LEE: THANK YOU, CHRIS, FOR ANOTHER WONDERFUL JOB.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY KIND. I CAN'T BELIEVE I SAID YES TO DOING THIS AGAIN, BUT ANYWAY THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. WELL, ON THAT BASIS, I'LL CALL THE COUNCIL MEETING TO A CLOSE. WE WILL RECONVENE IN PUERTO RICO IN OUR SHORTS AND T-SHIRTS. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

>> IN 12 WEEKS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: IN 12 WEEKS. YEAH.

>> GET YOUR VISAS.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: GET YOUR VISAS. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH, INDEED, FOR COMING.

[APPLAUSE]

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