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ICANN Meetings in Marrakech, Morocco

Captioning Public Forum II

29 June 2006

Note: The following is the output of the real-time captioning taken during the Public Forum, Part II held on 29 June 2006 in Marrakech, Morocco. Although the captioning output is largely accurate, in some cases it is incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the session, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.

ICANN PUBLIC FORUM, PART 2
THURSDAY, 29 JUNE 2006
ICANN - MARRAKECH

>>VINT CERF: GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THIS IS THE SECOND PORTION OF THE PUBLIC FORUM.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE DELAY.

I'D LIKE TO BEGIN THIS PORTION OF OUR -- FIRST LET ME GIVE YOU A SENSE FOR
PACE.

WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO RUN THROUGH ABOUT 10:30, AND THEN WE NEED TO TAKE A
BREAK PRECISELY AT 10:30 FOR ANOTHER MATTER THAT NEEDS ATTENDING.

AND THEN WE'LL RETURN AT 11:00.

SO GIVEN THAT WE'RE ABOUT 15 MINUTES LATE STARTING, FOR WHICH I APOLOGIZE.

I WILL BE PRESSING PEOPLE FOR CRISPNESS.

LET ME FIRST ASK THAT THE ASO REPORT BE GIVEN.

IT'S EITHER SEBASTIAN BELLAGAMBA OR RAUL ECHEBERRIA, I DON'T KNOW WHICH OR
BOTH.

IT'S SEBASTIAN TO START.

AFTER SEBASTIAN HAS FINISHED, WE'LL HAVE THE GAC REPORT FROM SHARIL TARMIZI,
THE ROOT SERVER ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPORT BY SUZANNE WOLFE, THE SECURITY AND
STABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPORT FROM STEVE CROCKER, AND THEN A REPORT ON
THE ALAC, AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, FROM ANNETTE MUEHLBERG.

AT THAT POINT, THERE MAY NOT BE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IF WE REACH 10:30,
AND I WILL -- WHEN WE RETURN, I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON
THE VARIOUS COMMITTEE REPORTS.

WE'RE HOPING TO COMPLETE THIS SESSION BY 12:30 TODAY.

WHILE WE'RE GETTING FIRED UP OVER THERE, LET ME ALSO MENTION TO YOU THAT
UNLIKE OUR USUAL SESSIONS, WHERE WE HAVE REPORTS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS FROM
VARIOUS COMMITTEES, LIKE THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD GOVERNANCE
COMMITTEE, AND CONFLICT-OF-INTEREST COMMITTEE, WE HAVE POSTED THEIR REPORTS
TO THE ICANN WEB SITE, AND WE'LL HAVE -- THE FLOOR WILL BE OPEN FOR
QUESTIONS, BUT WE WON'T ACTUALLY MAKE THOSE REPORTS TO YOU.

THIS IS ON THE PRESUMPTION THAT YOU DIDN'T FEEL IT WAS FRUITFUL TO HAVE TO
SIT THROUGH THEM.

IF THAT PROVES TO BE WRONG, WE'LL PUT THEM BACK AS BEFORE.

BUT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE BETTER USE OF YOUR TIME.

SO, RAUL, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE READY.

SO WHY DON'T WE START.

THANK YOU.

>>RAUL ECHEBERRIA: THANK YOU, VINT.

GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY.

GOOD MORNING TO THE ICANN BOARD MEMBERS.

I WILL GIVE THE REPORT ON THE NUMBER RESOURCE ORGANIZATION ACTIVITIES.

I HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE THAN YESTERDAY WHEN THE
MEETING STARTED.

PROBABLY IT WILL BE A SUCCESSFUL MEETING IN THE SECOND DAY WITHOUT SOCCER
MATCHES DURING THE WORKING TIME.

I WILL SPEAK SOMETHING ABOUT THE ORGANIZATION OF THE NRO, THE INTERNET NUMBER
RESOURCE STATUS, A REPORT ABOUT THE POLICY DISCUSSION IN THE RIRS.

AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER RESOURCE ORGANIZATION IS THE RESULT OF A
MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING SIGNED BY ALL THE RIRS IN OCTOBER OF 2003.

THE OBJECTIVES OF THE NRO ARE THE -- PROMOTE AND PROTECT THE BOTTOM-UP POLICY
DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, PROTECT THE UNALLOCATED NUMBER RESOURCE POOL, AND ACT AS
A FOCAL POINT FOR INTERNET COMMUNITY INPUTS INTO THE RIR SYSTEM.

THIS IS THE STRUCTURE OF THE NRO.

SO THERE IS AN EXECUTIVE COUNCIL THAT IS DIVIDED THAT REPRESENTS THE NRO.

NUMBER COUNCIL THAT IS AN ADVISORY COUNCIL.

THERE ARE MANY COORDINATION GROUPS WITH OPERATIVE ROLES DEPENDING ON THE
EXECUTIVE COUNCIL.

AND THERE IS A SECRETARIAT.

THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL IS ITERATED WITH ONE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH RIR.

IT'S USUALLY THE REPRESENTATIVES ARE THE CEOS.

AND THE OFFICERS ROTATE EVERY YEAR.

DURING 2006, I HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF BEING THE CHAIR OF THE EXECUTIVE
COUNCIL.

RAY PLZAK IS THE SECRETARY.

AND PAUL WILSON FROM APNIC IS THE TREASURER.

AND NEXT YEAR, RAY PLZAK WILL TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CHAIR.

PAUL WILSON THE SECRETARY, AND THE OFFICES WILL CONTINUE ROTATING EVERY YEAR.

OH, THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL PICTURE OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS.

THOSE ARE SOME OF THE MAIN TOPICS THAT ARE UNDER THE NRO CONSIDERATION AT
THIS MOMENT.

MANY TOPICS RELATED WITH ICANN, LIKE SERVICE CONTRACT.

WE ARE STARTING TALKS WITH ICANN REGARDING THE SIGNATURE OF A SERVICE
CONTRACT.

WE ARE PARTICIPATING ALSO IN THE STRATEGIC PLANS, WE ARE ANALYZING ALL THE
INFORMATION THAT ICANN IS DELIVERING ON THIS ISSUE.

AND WE PLAN TO PARTICIPATE ACTIVELY.

ALSO IN THE BUDGET, AS WE WILL TALK MORE LATER ABOUT THE IPV6 POLICY
PROPOSAL, AS WE ARE INTERESTED ALSO IN THE EVOLUTION OF OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH
THE GOVERNMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

WE'VE HAD SOME TALKS WITH THE GAC CHAIR DURING WELLINGTON, AND WE HOPE TO
CONTINUE WORKING ON THAT ISSUE, TOO.

REGARDING IGF, WE ARE VERY ACTIVE IN THIS MATTER.

TWO EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE NRO ARE ALSO MEMBERS OF THE IGF ADVISORY
GROUP.

IT'S ME AND ADIEL, FROM AFRINIC.

WE PLAN TO PARTICIPATE ACTIVELY ALSO IN THE IGF MEETING IN ATHENS.

AS WE ARE CLOSE TO ESTABLISHING A LIAISON WITH ITU.

AND SO ALSO IN OUR WORK PLAN FOR THIS YEAR ARE THE PARTICIPATION IN THE
PLENIPOTENTIARY MEETING IN TURKEY AND IN GORE [PHONETIC] TELECOM, TOGETHER
WITH OTHER INTERNET ORGANIZATIONS IN HONG KONG.

THERE ARE MANY OTHERS SHOWING RIR ACTIVITIES, AS WE ARE WORKING VERY MUCH IN
THE STUDYING, ANALYZING, AND ALSO DISCUSSING CERTIFICATION ISSUES, AS WE ARE
WORKING ON THE HARMONIZATION OF I.P. ALLOCATION PRACTICES IN ALL THE REGIONS
AS WE CONTINUE WORKING IN THE INCORPORATION OF THE NUMBER RESOURCE
ORGANIZATION.

THIS IS THE STATISTICS ABOUT THE INTERNET NUMBER RESOURCE ALLOCATION AS OF
31ST OF MARCH 2006.

THIS IS BASICALLY THE SAME AS THE SLIDES THAT I HAVE SHOWN YOU DURING THE
WELLINGTON PUBLIC FORUM.

AS ALL THIS INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN THE WEB SITE.

SOMETHING THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION BEFORE WAS THAT THE -- ALL THE MINUTES OF
THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE AVAILABLE IN THE -- ON OUR WEB SITE, SO I
RECOMMEND YOU TO ACCESS OUR WEB SITE.

YOU WILL FIND NOT ONLY ALL THE INFORMATION REGARDING THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL
MEETINGS, BUT ALSO MANY DOCUMENTS AND PROBABLY USEFUL INFORMATION FOR YOU IN
OUR WEB SITE.

SO BRIEFLY, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE STATUS OF ALLOCATIONS OF SLASH 8S, IPV4
ADDRESSES AND HOW THEY ARE DISTRIBUTED BY EACH RIR, AS THERE ARE STILL 62
SLASH 8S UNDER THE IANA CONTRACT THAT HAS TO BE ALLOCATED IN THE FUTURE.

THERE ARE 34 SLASH 8S THAT ARE PARTIALLY USED, RESERVED FOR DIFFERENT USES.

THIS IS THE EVOLUTION OF THE IPV4 ALLOCATIONS MADE FROM THE RIRS TO THE ISPS
SINCE 1999 TO 2006.

THIS IS THE NUMBER OF IPV4 ADDRESSES ALLOCATED BY EACH RIR TO ISPS.

AND IT IS INTERESTING TO REALIZE THAT THE DISTRIBUTION AMONG THE MAIN -- THE
THREE MAIN REGIONS.

AND THIS IS WHAT -- WHAT THIS GRAPHIC SHOWS IS THE DISTRIBUTION SINCE THE RIR
SYSTEM HAS BEEN CREATED SOME YEARS AGO.

THIS IS THE SAME INFORMATION ABOUT THE AUTONOMOUS SYSTEM NUMBERS, ALSO THE
DISTRIBUTION AMONG THE RIRS.

THE EVOLUTION OF THE IPV6 ALLOCATIONS FROM IANA TO RIRS.

I DON'T WANT TO -- I WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH FINISHING THIS MEETING ON TIME.

AFTER SHOWING THE GRAPHICS THAT ARE ALSO AVAILABLE, AS I SAY, ON OUR WEB
SITE, THERE ARE MANY URLS IN WHICH YOU CAN CHECK ALL THIS INFORMATION.

THEN I WOULD LIKE TO CALL MY COLLEAGUE, SEBASTIAN BELLAGAMBA, WHO IS THE
CHAIR OF THE ADDRESS COUNCIL, TO COMPLETE THE PRESENTATION.

>>SEBASTIAN BELLAGAMBA: THANK YOU, RAUL, AND GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.

I WILL GIVE YOU A REPORT ON THE ADDRESS SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION.

SORRY.

THE OTHER WAY.

THE ADDRESS SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION IS CREATED BY AN MOU BETWEEN THE NRO AND
ICANN IN OCTOBER 2004.

I MEAN, CREATED AS WE KNOW IT RIGHT NOW.

THE NRO IN THIS CASE, BECAUSE OF THIS MOU, FULFILLS THE ROLE,
RESPONSIBILITIES, AND FUNCTIONS OF THE ICANN ADDRESS SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION.

THE ADDRESS SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION, I REPRESENT THE ADDRESS COUNCIL.

I AM CHAIRING THE ADDRESS COUNCIL OF THE ADDRESS SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION.

AND THE ADDRESS COUNCIL IS BASICALLY THE NRO NUMBER COUNCIL.

IT'S A MIRROR FROM THE NRO NUMBER COUNCIL.

EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

IT'S A NUMBER RESOURCE POLICY ADVISORY BODY.

HOW IS THE ORGANIZATION OF THE ADDRESS COUNCIL -- THE ADDRESS COUNCIL?

WE HAVE 15 MEMBERS, THREE MEMBERS FROM EACH REGION, TWO OF THEM ELECTED AT
LARGE AND ONE ELECTED BY THE RIR BOARD.

AND WE ALSO HAVE RIR AND ICANN OBSERVERS.

THE -- THOSE MEMBERS OF THE ADDRESS COUNCIL HAS -- HAVE A TERM OF THREE YEARS
IN OFFICE.

AND THEY ARE STAGGERED.

SO EACH YEAR, WE RENEW ONE OF THEM.

EXACTLY WHAT'S THE FUNCTION?

WHAT DOES THE ADDRESS COUNCIL DO?

WE ADVISE THE ICANN BOARD ON I.P. ADDRESSING ISSUES; WE SELECT TWO BOARD
MEMBERS OF ICANN, IN THIS CASE, IT WILL BE RAIMUNDO BECA AND DAVE WODELET.

AND WE SELECT ONE ICANN NOMCOM MEMBER.

WE MEET ONCE A MONTH.

EVERY FIRST WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH, WE HAVE A TELECONFERENCE.

AND WE HAVE TWO PHYSICAL MEETINGS EACH YEAR.

ONE IS IN THE FIRST SEMESTER AND THE OTHER ONE IS IN THE SECOND.

ONE IS WITH AN RIR MEETING, AND THE OTHER ONE IS WITH THE -- AN ICANN
MEETING.

SO THIS YEAR, WE HAVE ALREADY A MEETING IN ISTANBUL WITH A RIPE MEETING.

AND WE ARE GOING TO MEET AGAIN AT THE SAO PAULO MEETING OF ICANN.

THIS IS THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE THAT -- THE ADDRESS COUNCIL TODAY.

AS I SAID BEFORE, WE HAVE TWO ICANN BOARD MEMBERS, RAIMUNDO BECA, AND DAVE
WODELET, SINCE THIS MEETING ON.

DAVE WODELET WAS ELECTED LAST MAY FOR THIS POSITION.

HE FILLS THE SEAT THAT WAS TAKEN BY MOUHAMET DIOP BEFORE.

THERE IS AN OUTLOOK OF THE POLICY DISCUSSIONS WE ARE HAVING IN EVERY SINGLE
RIR.

THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE IPV4 POLICY DISCUSSIONS.

THERE ARE MANY OF THEM.

IPV6 POLICY DISCUSSIONS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY HAVING -- REFINING THE POLICIES WITH IPV6, GETTING READY FOR
THE IPV6 WORK.

AND SOME OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE ARE HAVING NOT REGARDING EVEN IPV4 OR IPV6,
BASICALLY, IT'S THE FOUR BYTE ASN, AUTONOMOUS SYSTEM NUMBER, THE MAIN ISSUE
WE HAVE BESIDES THE IPV4 AND IPV6 DISCUSSIONS.

WE HAVE -- THE RIS HAS POLICY DISCUSSION MEETINGS.

AND YOU HAVE ON THIS SLIDE THE DATES AND PLACES.

IF YOU ATTEND, THE ARCHIVES FOR THE POLICY ACTIVITIES OF EACH RIR IS PUBLICLY
AVAILABLE.

THOSE ARE THE URLS.

AND THE MAIN ACTIVITY WE HAVE NOW IN THE ADDRESS COUNCIL IS HANDLING THE
IANA-TO-RIR IPV6 GLOBAL POLICY.

A GLOBAL POLICY AS DEFINED IN THE MOU BETWEEN ICANN AND THE NRO IS A POLICY
THAT BASICALLY MEETS TWO CONDITIONS.

ONE, IT'S EMERGED AS A SINGLE TEXT FROM THE BOTTOM-UP PROCESS IN EVERY SINGLE
RIR COMMUNITY.

SO THE FIVE RIR COMMUNITIES APPROVED A SINGLE TEXT.

AND THE SECOND CONDITION IS THAT IT'S SOMETHING REGARDS THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN THE RIRS AND ICANN, BASICALLY, IANA.

IN THIS CASE, WE HAVE ONE GLOBAL POLICY ALREADY IN PLACE, WHICH IS THE IPV4
ALLOCATION GLOBAL POLICY FROM IANA TO THE RIRS, AND THIS ONE IS REGARDING THE
IPV6.

BASICALLY, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED POLICY?

THE POLICY GOES THROUGH THE MINIMUM ALLOCATION SIZE -- BLOCK SIZE FROM IANA
TO RIR.

THE PROPOSAL IS A SLASH 12 OR THE SUBSEQUENT ALLOCATIONS IS EQUAL TO 18
MONTHS OF NECESSARY SPACE.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT SLASH 12, IF WE COMPARE THE IPV4 GLOBAL POLICY WITH THE
IPV6 GLOBAL POLICY, A SLASH 12 IN THE TOTAL ADDRESS POOL OF IPV6 SPACE IS
0.02% OF THE TOTAL SPACE.

IN THE IPV4 GLOBAL POLICY, THE MINIMAL ALLOCATION IS A SLASH 8, WHICH
REPRESENTS 0.4% OF THE TOTAL ADDRESS SPACE.

SO WE ARE -- WE ARE ASKING A POLICY FOR ALLOCATIONS THAT IS 20 TIMES LESS
THAN THE -- FROM THE TOTAL SPACE THAT IS IN IPV4.

WHICH WILL BE THE ALLOCATION CRITERIA SET IN THE POLICY?

AVAILABLE SPACE, MINUS -- IF AN RIR HAS MINUS DOT 50% OF ONE ALLOCATION UNIT,
IT'S GOING TO NEED ANOTHER ALLOCATION.

OR IF THE AVAILABLE SPACE IS LESS THAN NINE MONTHS OF NECESSARY SPACE, HE'S
ABLE TO ACQUIRE ANOTHER BLOCK.

OR THERE IS A PROVISION FOR SPECIAL NEEDS.

IF A NEW RIR COMES UP, HE'S ENTITLED TO HAVE THE MINIMAL ALLOCATION AGAIN,
SLASH 12.

AND THERE IS A PROVISION FOR THE ANNOUNCEMENTS.

EVERY TIME A BLOCK IS ASSIGNED, THERE WILL BE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE
COMMUNITY.

HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT THIS THAT UPON INCEPTION, THE POLICY INCEPTION, EACH
RIR RECEIVES A SLASH 12, OKAY.

IS THAT POLICY FAIR?

YES, IT IS.

THE MINIMUM ALLOCATION SIZE MAKES THAT EVERY REGION YOU SAW IN RAUL'S
PRESENTATION THAT ALL THE FIVE RIR REGIONS ARE NOT THE SAME, I MEAN IN TERMS
OF SIZE OF I.P. ADDRESS SPACE.

IF WE MAKE ALL THE REGIONS GET THE SAME BLOCK SIZE, WE DON'T DEPEND -- THE
MINIMAL ALLOCATION SIZE DOESN'T DEPEND ON REGIONAL MARKET SIZE, WHICH IS
GOOD, IS FAIR.

THAT SIZE, THE SLASH 12, CONTRIBUTES TO REGIONAL AGGREGATION, AND IT'S A SIZE
THAT WE FOUND IS BEST TO CONSERVE ADDRESS SPACE.

THE ALLOCATION CRITERIA PROVIDES OBJECTIVES.

EVERYBODY GETS THE SAME.

SATISFIES THE DEMONSTRATED NEEDS.

SO YOU HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU NEED ON THE BASIS OF LESS THAN 50% OR
LESS THAN NINE MONTHS, THAT YOU NEED ANOTHER ALLOCATION. AND PROVIDES
ACCOUNTABILITY.

ALL BLOCKS ARE THE SAME.

IT'S EASY TO CHECK, TO AUDIT.

WHERE IS THE -- WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE POLICY RIGHT NOW?

IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY ALL FIVE RIR COMMUNITIES, WAS PROPOSED YOU SEE IN THE
FIRST COLUMN -- YOU WILL SEE IT WAS PROPOSED IN EVERY REGION, AND THEY DID --
IT WAS ADOPTED IN EVERY REGION.

SO ACCORDING TO THE MOU BETWEEN THE NRO AND ICANN, THERE IS A PDP, THEREFORE,
FOR THIS PROVISION ON GLOBAL POLICIES, THE POLICY WAS HANDED TO THE ADDRESS
COUNCIL ON JUNE THE 6TH, 2006.

WE ARE MAKING SOME CHECKINGS OR THE ADDRESS COUNCIL HAS THE DUTY TO CHECK
THAT EVERY -- THAT THE PDP HAS BEEN FOLLOWED IN EVERY REGION AND THAT ALL
RELEVANT VIEWPOINTS HAVE BEEN TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION IN EVERY REGION.

WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.

AND WE ARE HEADING FOR HAVE ALL THE REPORTS ALL READY FOR OUR NEXT MEETING.

THAT WILL BE NEXT WEDNESDAY, JULY THE 5TH.

SO IF EVERYTHING GOES FINE, WE ARE GOING TO HANDLE -- TO FORWARD TO THE ICANN
BOARD THIS POLICY AT THAT MEETING.

SO THE NEXT -- THE LAST COLUMN WILL BE THE RATIFICATION FOR THE ICANN BOARD
FROM THIS POLICY, FOR THIS POLICY.

AND WE ASSUME THAT WE ARE GOING TO SEND THE POLICY TO THE ICANN BOARD 10:00
ON FRIDAY, JULY THE 7TH.

FROM THEN ON, THE ICANN BOARD HAS A 60-DAY WINDOW OF ACTION TO TAKE ANY
ACTION ON THIS POLICY.

AND THAT -- SORRY.

THAT WILL BE IT.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT IS -- THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SEBASTIAN.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH REPORTS.

BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD STAY WITH US, NOT UP THERE ON THE
STAGE, BUT IN THE ROOM.

>>SEBASTIAN BELLAGAMBA: OKAY.

>>VINT CERF: WE'LL HAVE QUESTIONS IF THERE IS TIME BEFORE THE BREAK AT 10:30.

IF WE AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT, I WOULD ASK YOU TO STAY UNTIL AFTER THE BREAK,
AND WE'LL COME BACK TO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>>SEBASTIAN BELLAGAMBA: THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THE NEXT REPORT COMES FROM SHARIL TARMIZI, WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN
OF THE GOVERNMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SO, SHARIL, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.

>>SHARIL TARMIZI: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

[ SPEAKING ARABIC ] GOOD MORNING TO ALL, BOARD MEMBERS AS WELL AS THOSE OF
YOU IN THE AUDIENCE.

MY NAME IS SHARIL TARMIZI.

AND I'M CHAIRMAN OF THE GAC.

THE GAC MET IN MARRAKECH DURING THE 24TH TO 28TH JUNE PERIOD.

THE PARTICIPATING GAC MEMBERS COMPRISED REPRESENTATIVES FROM 41 MEMBERS AND
FOUR OBSERVERS.

THE GAC WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS WARM THANKS TO THE GOVERNMENT OF MOROCCO AND
THE ORGANIZERS FOR HOSTING THE MEETING IN MARRAKECH.

SPECIFICALLY ON WHOIS AND NEW GTLDS, THE GAC WORKING GROUP ON GNSO ISSUES
CONTINUED ITS FOCUS ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF GAC PRINCIPLES APPLICABLE TO THE
WHOIS DATABASE AND TO THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW GTLDS, WITH THE INTENTION OF
SHARING A STABILIZED DRAFT WITH THE COMMUNITY IN SAO PAULO AND TO ENABLE THE
GAC TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE TO THE ICANN BOARD.

CONSISTENT WITH THE GAC'S COMMITMENT TO PROVIDING INFORMATION AND ADVICE ON
THE RANGE OF PUBLIC POLICY ASPECTS OF WHOIS DATA, REPRESENTATIVES FROM
CONSUMER PROTECTION AGENCIES AND THREE GAC MEMBERS, NAMELY, OPTA IN THE
NETHERLANDS, MIC IN JAPAN, AND THE FTC IN THE U.S., WHO MADE PRESENTATIONS
DURING AN OPEN SESSION WITH THE GNSO, OUTLINING THEIR RESPECTIVE PERSPECTIVES
AND CONCERNS REGARDING THE ACCURACY AND TIMELY ACCESS TO WHOIS DATA.

SOME OF THEM, AND SOME GAC MEMBERS ALSO EXPRESSED CONCERNS REGARDING THE
IMPLICATIONS FOR ENFORCEMENT OF LAWS OF THE RECENT GNSO COUNCIL DECISION ON A
DEFINITION FOR THE PURPOSE OF WHOIS DATA.

SOME GAC MEMBERS EXPRESSED CONCERNS THAT FORMULATION 2 WOULD ALSO NOT PROVIDE
AN APPROPRIATE DEFINITION FOR THE PURPOSES OF WHOIS.

THE GAC APPRECIATES THE INTERPRETATION OF THE GNSO COUNCIL CHAIR THAT
FORMULATION 1 DOES NOT IMPLY THAT A DECISION HAS BEEN TAKEN TO REMOVE ANY
DATA FROM PUBLIC ACCESS.

THE GAC BELIEVES, THEREFORE, THAT THE FINAL DEFINITION OF THE PURPOSE OF
WHOIS DATA NEEDS TO REFLECT THE PUBLIC-POLICY CONCERNS EXPRESSED BY GAC
MEMBERS.

THE GAC IS INTENDING TO PRODUCE PUBLIC -- TO INTRODUCE POLICY ADVICE ON THE
PURPOSE AND USE OF WHOIS DATA IN THE FORM OF PRINCIPLES FOR THE SAO PAULO
MEETING.

ON IDNS, A JOINT ICANN AND GAC WORKSHOP OUTLINED THE CHALLENGES AND ISSUES IN
THE AREA OF IDN.

THE VARIOUS PRESENTATIONS EMPHASIZED THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THE PUBLIC-POLICY
ISSUES CONCERNING THE IDN DEPLOYMENT.

THE GAC APPRECIATES THE INTENTION OF ICANN'S PRESIDENTIAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
ON IDN TO PERFORM A TECHNICAL TEST OF TWO APPROACHES TO THE INSERTION OF
INTERNATIONALIZED DOMAIN NAME LABELS INTO THE ROOT ZONE OF THE DNS, ALONG
WITH A TIMELINE.

THE GAC AWAITS THE OUTCOME OF THE TECHNICAL TESTS, WHICH WILL PROVIDE
INFORMATION TO ADDRESS PUBLIC -- TO ADDRESS POLICY ISSUES.

GAC ALSO PROPOSES THAT POLICY ISSUES, AS OUTLINED IN THE GNSO PRELIMINARY
ISSUES REPORT RELATING TO IDN AT THE TOP LEVEL, DATED 28TH MAY, 2006, SHOULD
BE IDENTIFIED, PRIORITIZED, AND ADDRESSED, IN COOPERATION WITH GNSO, CCNSO,
AS WELL AS THE BROADER ICANN COMMUNITY.

ON IPV6, THE GAC'S WORKING GROUP ON IPV6 HELD A JOINT SESSION WITH THE NRO
EXECUTIVE COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE CHAIR OF THE ASO, WHERE WE HAD A VERY
FRUITFUL HE CAN CHANGE ON THE PROPOSED IPV6 ALLOCATION POLICY FOLLOWED BY
DISCUSSION WITHIN THE WORKING GROUP.

THE GAC NOTES THAT THE RIRS HAVE COMPLETED THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS IN
CONNECTION WITH THE IPV6 ADDRESSES AND WELCOME CONSIDERATION BY THE ASO.

THE GAC WILL ENDEAVOR TO PROVIDE ADVICE WITHIN THE PROPOSED TIME FRAME.

NOTING THE ONGOING DEVELOPMENT OF IPV6, THE GAC ENCOURAGES ICANN TO KEEP THE
POLICY UNDER REVIEW IN THE LIGHT OF TECHNICAL DEVELOPMENTS AND THE EVOLUTION
OF DEMAND. NOTING THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE REQUEST FOR ADVICE FROM THE GAC
WILL BE DONE INTERSESSIONALLY BETWEEN MARRAKECH AND SAO PAULO, THE GAC WOULD
LIKE TO REMIND THE BOARD THAT SUCH TIME LINES TO RESPOND CONTINUE TO BE A
CHALLENGE.

ON THE NOTICE OF INQUIRY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, A REQUEST FOR
FEEDBACK BY THE PRESIDENT'S STRATEGY COMMITTEE, THE GAC WELCOMED THE
PRESENTATION FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATIVE ON THE DEPARTMENT OF
COMMERCE'S NOTICE OF INQUIRY REGARDING THE CONTINUED TRANSITION OF THE
TECHNICAL COORDINATION AND MANAGEMENT OF THE INTERNET DOMAIN NAME AND
ADDRESSING SYSTEM.

THE GAC EXPRESSED CONFIDENCE THAT THE DECISION ON THE MOU BETWEEN ICANN AND
THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE WILL BE TAKEN IN LIGHT OF THE WSIS
PRINCIPLES.

THE GAC WELCOMED THE REPORT FROM THE PRESIDENT'S STRATEGIC COMMITTEE ON THE
IMPROVEMENTS TO THE INHERENT MULTISTAKEHOLDER MODEL OF ICANN.

THE GAC WELCOMES BOTH INITIATIVES TO SEEK FEEDBACK ON THE EVOLUTION OF THE
ICANN MULTISTAKEHOLDER MODEL.

THE GAC CONSIDERS IT IMPORTANT TO ENGAGE IN A FURTHER STRUCTURED DISCUSSION
ON THIS MATTER AT THE SAO PAULO MEETING, AND GAC RECOGNIZES THAT MANY OF THE
ISSUES PUT FORWARD IN THE ABOVE INITIATIVES ARE PART OF THE ONGOING EFFORTS
OF ENHANCED COOPERATION WITHIN THE ICANN CONTEXT ALREADY BEING UNDERTAKEN BY
ICANN BOARD AND THE GAC JOINT WORKING GROUP.

ON GAC'S EVOLUTION, GAC'S -- WITH RESPECT TO THE GAC'S INTERNAL
ORGANIZATIONAL WORK PLAN, FOLLOWING ITS PREVIOUS DECISIONS THE GAC ENDORSED
THE DOCUMENT WHICH WAS DEVELOPED BY GAC'S WORKING GROUP ON THE FUTURE OF THE
GAC, DESCRIBING NECESSARILY IMPROVEMENTS IN ITS WORKING METHODS.

THAT DOCUMENT WILL BE POSTED ON THE GAC WEB SITE.

GAC ALSO TOOK A DECISION TO SYNCHRONIZE ITS WORK PROGRAM WITH ICANN'S
STRATEGIC PLAN AND ACTIVITIES OF OTHER CONSTITUENCIES.

TO IMPLEMENT THIS BY SAO PAULO MEETING, THE GAC WILL INTRODUCE A BIANNUAL
PLANNING AND WILL ELABORATE AN ANNUAL WORK PROGRAM. THE WORK PROGRAM WILL
REFLECT GAC'S PRIORITIES, OUTLINE OBJECTIVES AND DEFINE DELIVERY TIME.

ON THE ICANN BOARD AND GAC COOPERATION, THE GAC WELCOMES THE WORK OF THE
ICANN BOARD AND THE GAC WORKING GROUP WHICH, SINCE THE MEETING IN WELLINGTON,
HELD TWO CONFERENCE CALLS AND APPRECIATION THE POSITIVE OUTCOME OF THE
MEETING IN MARRAKECH.

THE GAC ENDORSES THE COMMUNICATIONS TIME LINE WHICH IS AN ATTACHED DOCUMENT
TO THIS COMMUNIQUE WHICH WE WILL POST SHORTLY, WHICH SHOULD IMPROVE THE GAC'S
PARTICIPATION IN ICANN'S POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES BY EARLIER ENGAGEMENT
WITH RELEVANT ICANN CONSTITUENCIES AS WELL AS SECURE, TIMELY AND PRECISE
ROUTINE COMMUNICATIONS.

THE GAC ALSO WELCOMES ICANN'S OUTREACH PROGRAM AND COMMITS ITSELF TO
PARTICIPATE IN ITS IMPLEMENTATION.

THE ICANN BOARD AND THE GAC JOINT WORKING GROUP IN THE RUN-UP TO THE SAO
PAULO MEETING WILL WORK ON THE SYNCHRONIZATION OF GAC PRIORITIES WITH ICANN
STRATEGIC PLAN. IT WILL ADDRESS ISSUES RELATED TO THE EVOLUTION OF GAC AND
ICANN FRAMEWORK. IT WILL ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION ON A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO THE
GAC SECRETARIAT AND WILL SUPPORT INTERNAL GAC DISCUSSIONS ON CONTINGENCY
PLANNING.

A FEW OTHER MATTERS, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON THE HANDOVER OF THE GAC SECRETARIAT,
GAC TOOK NOTE OF THE HANDOVER OF THE GAC SECRETARIAT FROM THE EUROPEAN
COMMISSION TO THE GOVERNMENT OF INDIA WITH EFFECT FROM THE 1ST OF JULY 2006.

SO OUR SECRETARIAT WILL BE MOVING FROM BRUSSELS TO DELHI.

ON GAC, LAST BUT NOT LEAST, ON GAC ELECTIONS, 2006, THE GAC NOMINATION AND
ELECTION PROCESS FOR THE POSITION OF THE CHAIR AND VICE CHAIRS IS NOW OPEN,
WITH THE INTENTION THAT A NEW CHAIR SHALL BE INSTALLED BY THE FIRST MEETING
BY THE GAC IN 2007.

SO I GET TO STEP DOWN.

THE GAC WARMLY THANKS ALL THOSE AMONGST THE ICANN COMMUNITY WHO HAVE
CONTRIBUTED TO THE DIALOGUE WITH US IN MARRAKECH, AND THE NEXT GAC MEETING
WILL BE DURING THE PERIOD OF THE ICANN MEETING IN SAO PAULO, BRAZIL, DECEMBER
2006.

WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, I END MY REPORT.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHARIL.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: WE'LL COME BACK TO ANY QUESTIONS AFTER WE HAVE FINISHED THE
OTHER MATTERS.

I HAVE ONE THING TO ANNOUNCE, AND PAUL HAS ANOTHER THING TO ANNOUNCE.

SOME OF YOU WILL HAVE NOTICED THAT A BOARD MEMBER WHO WAS NOT PRESENT
YESTERDAY IS NOW SITTING NEXT TO PAUL, OR IN BETWEEN PAUL AND SUSAN CRAWFORD.
IT'S RITA RODIN, WHOM YOU HEARD YESTERDAY WAS CONFIRMED IN THE POST OF BOARD
MEMBER BY THE GNSO COUNCIL.

SO, RITA, WE CERTAINLY ARE PLEASED THAT YOU ARE HERE WITH US. YOU HAVE BEEN
PART OF THE COMMUNITY FOR QUITE A LONG TIME. YOU MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY
THAT WE FIRST MET IN 1998 IN GENEVA, WHICH SEEMS LIKE MANY CENTURIES AGO. SO
WE WELCOME YOUR SERVICE TO THE BOARD.

PAUL, YOU HAD AN ANNOUNCEMENT ALSO, I THINK.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANK YOU, VINT. THIS IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.
PARTICULARLY THOSE WHO MAY BE LISTENING IN TO THIS MEETING THIS MORNING.

DUE TO -- UNFORTUNATELY, WE ARE NOT HAVING LIVE VIDEO STREAMING OF THIS
MEETING THIS MORNING, AND I THINK THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE FAILED TO DO
SO IN MANY, MANY, MANY MEETINGS.

AND WE WISH TO PUT OUR APOLOGIES IN FOR THAT. IT IS A COMBINATION OF TWO
REASONS. ONE IS THAT WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF LOGISTICAL MISHAPS IN GETTING
EQUIPMENT HERE TO MARRAKECH FOR THIS MEETING, NOT THE FAULT -- CERTAINLY NOT
THE FAULT OF THE ORGANIZERS AND CERTAINLY NOT THE FAULT OF THE STAFF. IT WAS
SIMPLY A -- I'LL DESCRIBE IT AS A MISUNDERSTANDING BY THE LOGISTICS COMPANY
THAT WE WERE USING.

AND THE SECOND COMPOUNDING FACTOR IS THE BACKUP CAMERAS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
USING ACTUALLY BLEW UP YESTERDAY AND THEY HAVE FAILED, SO THEY'RE NOT
ACTUALLY OPERATING THIS MORNING. SO WE'VE HAD TO GO TO SIMPLY AUDIO
STREAMING. WE'RE STREAMING AUDIO LIVE, AND WE WILL HAVE AN AUDIO ARCHIVE OF
THESE SESSIONS, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN A VERY, VERY LONG
TIME, WE WILL NOT HAVE A VIDEO ARCHIVE OF THIS SESSION.

STEVE CONTE IS STANDING IN THE AUDIENCE LOOKING LIKE HE URGENTLY WOULD LIKE
TO ADD SOME THOUGHTS.

>>STEVE CONTE: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO AMEND THEM A LITTLE BIT. WE ARE WORKING
WITH THE LOCAL HOSTS TO TRY TO GET A BACKUP CAMERA FROM THEM FOR AT LEAST
CAPTURING THE BOARD MEETING. BUT TODAY WILL PROBABLY ONLY BE AUDIO STREAMING
AND WE ARE DEFINITELY CAPTURING IT FOR ARCHIVAL PURPOSES, TOO.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE. I HOPE EVERYONE APPRECIATES THAT
THIS POOR MAN HAS BEEN FRANTIC TRYING TO KEEP ALL THE PIECES TOGETHER BY
JUGGLING THEM IN THE AIR.

STEVE, WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK UNDER SUCH TRYING
CIRCUMSTANCES.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: OUR NEXT REPORT COMES FROM SUZANNE WOOLF WHO REPRESENTS THE ROOT
SERVER ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SO SUZANNE, ARE YOU GOING TO SPEAK EX CATHEDRA OR FROM YOUR SEAT?

>>SUZANNE WOOLF: IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING EVERYTHING MOVING I THOUGHT I
WOULD JUST OFFER SOME BRIEF COMMENTS FROM HERE.

MOSTLY BECAUSE IN ADDITION TO THE TIME CONSTRAINTS WE'RE UNDER AT THE MOMENT,
RSSAC -- THIS WAS GOING TO BE BRIEF ANYWAY BECAUSE RSSAC HAS NOT MET SINCE
THE LAST ICANN MEETING. WE MET AT THE IETF IN DALLAS IMMEDIATELY BEFORE THE
WELLINGTON MEETING. SO THERE HAVE BEEN TWO ICANN MEETINGS BETWEEN RSSAC
MEETINGS.

WE WILL BE MEETING AT THE NEXT IETF AS USUAL ON JULY 9TH. THE AGENDA IS NOT
YET FINALIZED, BUT WILL INCLUDE, I HOPE, CLOSURE ON A COUPLE OF ISSUES. IT
MAY FORCE SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION AND QUICK CONSENSUS THAT THE MEETING IS
SCHEDULED IMMEDIATELY AROUND THE TIME OF THE WORLD CUP FINAL.

>>VINT CERF: PACE. PACE YOUR SPEECH, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE
SURE THEY HEAR YOU.

>>SUZANNE WOOLF: THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER, MR. CHAIRMAN.

FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT KNOW, RSSAC IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL ICANN ADVISORY
COMMITTEES. IT PROVIDES A FORM FOR ICANN AND THE ROOT SERVER OPERATORS TO
INTERACT ON ISSUES AFFECTING THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE ROOT ZONE. AND AS A
POOL OF TECHNICAL EXPERTS ON THE DNS, VERY OFTEN THE SAME PEOPLE, IT INCLUDES
ROOT NAME SERVER OPERATORS, RIRS, RESEARCHERS, AND INTERESTED OBSERVERS FROM
THE GAC, SSAC, IAB, AND SO ON. IN GENERAL, THE ADVICE IT PROVIDES IS
INFORMAL BUT IT ALSO HAS MADE FORMAL RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BOARD ON VARIOUS
TECHNICAL TOPICS.

A NORMAL PART OF THE RSSAC MEETING IS HOUSEKEEPING, UPDATES ON ANYCAST, MAJOR
UPGRADES, AND PROVISIONING CHANGES THAT MIGHT AFFECT THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE.

THOSE ARE ANNOUNCED TO OPERATIONS LISTS AS THEY OCCUR, BUT THIS MEETING IS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THINGS IN A BROAD SENSE.

IN MONTREAL, THE ASSESSMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING MAY INCLUDE, I HOPE TO SEE
SOME COMMENT FROM JOHN CRAIN OR STEVE CONTE REPRESENTING L-ROOT ABOUT ANYCAST
PLANS AS MENTIONED IN ICANN'S OPERATIONAL PLAN. AND FROM OTHERS ON NEW
ANYCAST DEPLOYMENTS, NEW IPV6 CONNECTIVITY, AND SO ON.

THE RECOMMENDATION TO IANA ON IPV6 RECORDS FOR THE ROOT SERVERS THEMSELVES IS
NOT YET FINAL, SO I HOPE THIS MEETING WILL FINALIZE IT AND THERE WILL BE A
FORMAL RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.

AS WE HAVE SAID BEFORE, SEVERAL OF THE ROOTS ARE READY TO PROVIDE SERVICE
OVER IPV6 BUT THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL DETAILS TO MAKE SURE WE GET RIGHT WHEN
WE ADD THE NECESSARY RECORDS TO THE ROOT ZONE TO SUPPORT THAT.

HAVING TO DO WITH MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE DO IS COMPATIBLE WITH SOME OLD BUT
WIDELY USED DNS SOFTWARE.

WE'RE ALSO MAKING SURE WE HAVE CLEARLY EXPLAINED THE RATIONALE FOR THE
RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE SOME OF THE TECHNICAL DETAILS ARE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN
BUT NEED TO BE CLEAR TO THE COMMUNITY.

I'VE ASKED THAT TINA DAM BE INVITED TO THE MEETING TO FOLLOW UP ON THE
INFORMAL DISCUSSION WE HAD IN DALLAS ABOUT THE PROPOSED TEST OF IDN.IDN IN
THE PRODUCTION ROOT ZONE.

WE ARE BEING ASKED TO HELP PROVIDE CLARITY ON EXACTLY WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE
SHOWN BY THE PROPOSED TEST.

ICANN IS ALSO LOOKING FOR SOME HELP IN CRAFTING A STRAIGHTFORWARD AND
TECHNICALLY PRECISE OPINION ON THE MATURITY OF DNAME AS A POSSIBLE PIECE OF
THE IDN SOLUTION OVER THE LONG-TERM.

A NOTE ON DNSSEC AS AN ONGOING ISSUE. MANY OF THE OPERATORS HAVE BEEN ACTIVE
IN THE ONGOING EFFORT TO GET DNSSEC FULLY SPECIFIED AND DEPLOYED.

WE HAVE ATTENDED OPERATOR FORUMS, BEEN ACTIVE IN THE IETF AND SO ON.

PROGRESS SEEMS TO BE OCCURRING ON THAT AS WE SEE A NUMBER OF TLDS SIGNING OR
CONSIDERING SIGNING THEIR DATA. THERE ARE SEVERAL ACTIVE TESTS THAT I KNOW
OF UNDERWAY.

I THINK THAT WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE HAPPEN NEXT WITH REGARDS TO DEPLOYMENT IN
THE ROOT IS A TIME LINE FROM IANA ON WHEN IT WILL BE ASKING THE ROOTS TO
DISTRIBUTE ASSIGNED ZONE OR A REQUEST TO PARTICIPATE IN MAKING SUCH A TIME
LINE. THE RESULT CAN THEN BE USED AS A BASIS FOR PLANNING ANY NEEDED
EQUIPMENT UPGRADES OR OTHER PROVISIONING CHANGES TO SERVE SIGNED DATA. THERE
IS ALREADY A VERY REASONABLE SENSE OF THOSE CONSTRAINTS AND THOSE
REQUIREMENTS, AND SERVING SIGNED DATA IN THE ROOT IS INCLUDED, I THINK, IN
EVERYBODY'S LONG-RANGE PLANNING BUT SOME DETAILS WILL NEED TO BE WORKED OUT
IN COLLABORATION AMONG OPERATORS AND IANA.

RSSAC PUBLISHES MEETING NOTES AT WWW.RSSAC.ORG AND OTHER INFORMATION CAN BE
FOUND AT WWW.ROOT-SERVERS.ORG.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUZANNE. WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR
QUESTIONS, BUT NOW I'D LIKE TO CALL ON STEVE CROCKER TO GIVE THE SECURITY AND
STABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPORT.

>>STEPHEN CROCKER: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'LL REPORT BRIEFLY HERE ON BOTH THE PUBLIC SESSION THAT WE PRESENTED ON
SUNDAY AFTERNOON FROM THE SECURITY AND STABILITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND A
PUBLIC SESSION THAT WE PRESENTED YESTERDAY MORNING, EARLY, ON DNS SECURITY.

EXCUSE ME. COME ON.

>>VINT CERF: THIS REMINDS ME OF A SCENE IN "MY FAIR LADY" WHEN THE HORSES ARE
RUNNING AT ASCOT AND ELIZA SAYS, "COME ON, DOVER, MOVE YOUR BLOOMIN'...." AND
WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.

>>STEPHEN CROCKER: THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR FILLING IN THE BLANK SPACE THERE.

HERE IS A LIST OF THE MEMBERS WHO SERVE ON THE SECURITY AND STABILITY
ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

I ALWAYS TAKE PLEASURE IN PUTTING UP THE LIST OF OUR MEMBERS. THESE ARE
VOLUNTEERS. ALL ARE RESPECTED EXPERTS IN ONE OR MORE ASPECTS OF DOMAIN NAME
SYSTEMS OPERATION, NETWORK SECURITY, ADDRESS OPERATIONS, OR RELATED
TECHNOLOGIES.

EVERY ONE OF THESE PEOPLE IS BUSY WITH A REAL JOB AND IS VERY GENEROUS IN
DONATING THEIR TIME.

AND IN ADDITION, WE HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO ARE ASSISTING FROM VARIOUS
QUARTERS. DAVE PISCITELLO TOOK ON THE JOB THAT WE CREATED OF A FELLOW IN OUR
OPERATION, PAID STAFF, AND HAS MADE A MATERIAL DIFFERENCE IN OUR ABILITY TO
GENERATE REPORTS. JIM GALVIN HAS BEEN HANDLING THE ACTIVITIES OF KEEPING US
ORGANIZED. DANIEL KARRENBERG, STEFANO TRUMPY AND PATRIK FALTSTROM. I HAVE A
SMALL ERROR HERE, PATRIK FALTSROM'S OFFICIAL TITLE IS IAB POINT OF CONTACT.
I WILL FIX THAT NEXT TIME.

SO OUR ROLE IS TO PROVIDE SECURITY AND STABILITY EXPERTISE, TO PROVIDE ADVICE
TO THE BOARD, TO THE STAFF, TO THE SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS, AND NOT
INCIDENTALLY, TO THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. THAT IS, WE'RE NOT A COMPLETELY
INTERNAL ORGAN FOR ICANN BUT ALSO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT VOICE OF SPEAKING OUT
TO THE COMMUNITY.

THAT'S A POINT THAT ALL OF THE MEMBERS TOOK VERY SERIOUSLY BEFORE I WAS
INVITED TO CHAIR THIS COMMITTEE. THAT THEY WANTED TO BE ASSURED THAT THEY
COULD SPEAK AND BE HEARD, NOT NECESSARILY AS PART OF A POLICY OPERATION PART
OF SSAC.

ANOTHER VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT IS THAT WE ARE PURELY AN ADVISORY OPERATION.
WE HAVE NO FORMAL AUTHORITY TO MAKE DECISIONS OR TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS OR
CONSTRAINTS ON ANYBODY ELSE. AND THAT'S A VERY COMFORTABLE POSITION TO BE IN
FOR US, BECAUSE THEN WE CAN SPEAK TO THE ISSUES THAT WE THINK ARE IMPORTANT,
AND THEN LEAVE THE DECISIONS AS TO WHAT TO IMPLEMENT OR WHAT CHANGES TO MAKE
IN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES TO OTHERS.

OUR GENERAL MODE OF OPERATION IS TO ISSUE REPORTS, AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS
OF EXPANDING THAT TO INCLUDE THINGS THAT ARE NOT REALLY FULL REPORTS BUT ARE
SHORTER AND MORE TIMELY ADVISORIES, AND PERHAPS OTHER KINDS OF COMMENTARIES.
YOU WILL SEE SOME EVOLUTION OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.

THESE ARE USUALLY RELATED TO SPECIFIC INCIDENTS THAT COME UP, AND USUALLY
HAVE A FORMAT OF DESCRIBING THE BACKGROUND OF THE SITUATION, AND THEN
SUMMARIZING THE RESULTS AS SOME FINDINGS; THAT IS, FACTS THAT WE THINK STAND
OUT AND CHARACTERIZE THE SITUATION. AND THEN RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH ARE THE
INTENDED ACTIONS FOR OTHERS.

WE TRY TO USE THESE REPORTS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION FOR
PEOPLE WHO ARE LESS FAMILIAR WITH THE ISSUES SO THAT THESE ARE NOT SOLELY
READABLE BY EXPERTS WHO KNOW AS MUCH OR MORE THAN WE DO. AND WE TAKE A
REASONABLY BROAD SENSE OF SECURITY AND STABILITY. WE CERTAINLY FOCUS ON CORE
TECHNICAL ISSUES, BUT WE'RE NOT UNAWARE OF SOME OF THE INTERACTIONS WITH USER
ISSUES OR WITH MARKET FORCES.

THE BOUNDARIES ARE SOMETIMES A BIT FUZZY. WE TRY NOT TO GO TOO FAR AFIELD,
BUT WE ALSO TRY TO BE HELPFUL WHERE THERE'S INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THESE KINDS
OF THINGS.

THERE IS A NEW ORGANIZATION IN FORMATION. REGISTRY SERVICES TECHNICAL
EVALUATION PANEL I'M TOLD IS THE FORMAL PANEL. THIS HAS BEEN VARIOUSLY
REFERRED TO BY OTHER TERMS, INCLUDING STANDING PANEL FOR EVALUATION OR SPE.

LYMAN CHAPIN IS THE CHAIR. THIS IS CHARTERED TO, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, TO
CONSIDER SECURITY AND STABILITY CONCERNS IN PROPOSED NEW REGISTRY SERVICES.
THAT'S A VERY SPECIFIC AND FOCUSED ARENA. THAT IS, WHEN A REGISTRY WANTS TO
MAKE A CHANGE OR AN ADDITION TO ITS REGISTRY, TO THE SERVICES THAT IT OFFERS,
IF THERE IS A POTENTIAL CONCERN THAT SUCH A NEW SERVICE OR CHANGE MAY HAVE
SOME SECURITY OR STABILITY ASPECTS, THEN THERE IS AN INFORMAL EXAMINATION AND
THEN A FORMAL PROCESS OF TURNING THE MATTER OVER TO THIS NEW GROUP, WHICH HAS
A BOUNDED PERIOD OF TIME TO RESPOND.

THE GROUP HAS NOT YET STARTED OPERATION, AND I THINK IT IS INTENDED TO DO SO
RELATIVELY SHORTLY.

AND SO -- AND THE REASON WHY I'M MENTIONING IT HERE, AND I SUPPOSE THAT IT
WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO HAVE LYMAN HERE AS WELL, IS THAT A NATURAL QUESTION
HAS ARISEN MULTIPLE TIMES AS TO WHAT THE RELATIONSHIP IS BETWEEN THIS NEW
GROUP AND SSAC.

ALL THE DETAILS REMAIN TO BE WORKED OUT BUT IN GENERAL, WE HAVE QUITE CLOSE
COMMUNICATION AND A HIGH RAPPORT, AND WE INVITED LYMAN TO MAKE A PRESENTATION
WITHIN THE PUBLIC SESSION THAT WE HAD ON SUNDAY, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO STAY
IN CLOSE COMMUNICATION.

AND IN FACT, I SHOULD ALSO UPDATE THE SLIDE, LYMAN IS NOW A STANDING INVITED
GUEST TO OUR MEETINGS.

SO WE EXPECT THAT WHATEVER HASN'T BEEN WORKED OUT IN FORMAL DETAIL WILL BE
HANDLED VERY NATURALLY AND EASILY ON AN INFORMAL BASIS.

WE PRESENTED TWO NEW REPORTS. THEY ARE CLOSELY RELATED TO EACH OTHER, AND
THEY -- DESPITE THESE LONG, VERY DRY NAMES, SO AS TO NOT CREATE A KIND OF
TABLOID JOURNALISM EFFECT, THEY RELATE TO WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE REGISTRATION
ON A NAME ENDS IN A NATURAL WAY. THAT IS, THE REGISTRANT DOES NOT RENEW IT.
SOMETIMES IT CAN BE INADVERTENT OR SOMETIMES IT CAN SIMPLY BE THAT THE
REGISTRANT DECIDED THAT THEY DON'T NEED THAT NAME ANYMORE.

BUT THEN THE NEXT REGISTRANT WHO USES THAT NAME USES IT IN A WAY THAT CAUSES
THE ORIGINAL REGISTRANT TO BE SURPRISED AND, IN MANY CASES, OR IN SOME CASES,
TO ACTUALLY BE HARMED.

THE TYPICAL CASE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INVOLVES A SITE THAT IS USED FOR
SORT OF A FAMILY-ORIENTED PURPOSE IN THE FIRST CASE AND WHEN IT IS
RE-REGISTERED IS USED AS A PORNOGRAPHIC SITE AND CAUSES THE ORIGINAL
REGISTRANT TO BE VERY UNHAPPY THAT THEY LET THAT SITE GO.

WE CITED THE INCIDENT OF A RAPE CRISIS CENTER THAT MERGED WITH ANOTHER
ORGANIZATION, LET ITS DOMAIN NAME LAPSE, AND THEN DISCOVERED TO ITS DISMAY
THAT IT WAS STILL OPERATIONAL OR BECAME OPERATIONAL AGAIN, AS I SAY, AS A
PORN SITE. A CUB SCOUT PACK SITE AND ANOTHER GROUP ALSO SUFFERED SIMILAR
FATES. SO THIS IS REALLY AN ADVISORY TO DOMAIN NAME USERS, NOT TO REGISTRARS
OR REGISTRIES PER SE, TO RAISE THEIR AWARENESS.

BUT IN PRINCIPLE, THIS SHOULD BE PART OF A MUCH LARGER CAMPAIGN OF EDUCATION
OF THE COMMUNITY, AND WE WOULD HOPE THAT THE REGISTRIES AND REGISTRARS, AMONG
OTHERS, WOULD COOPERATE IN THAT.

THE SECOND REPORT IS ANOTHER ASPECT OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A DOMAIN NAME LAPSES
AND IS PICKED UP BY SOMEBODY ELSE. IN THE VERY SPECIAL CASE THAT THE
ORIGINAL USE OF THAT DOMAIN NAME WAS TO PROVIDE OR INCLUDED PROVIDING NAME
SERVICES -- THAT IS, DNS RESOLUTION SERVICES -- TO OTHER DOMAINS. AND THERE
IS A POTENTIAL FOR HIJACKING OR OTHER FORMS OF MISCHIEF IN THAT.

YESTERDAY MORNING WE HAD A DNS SECURITY WORKSHOP. IT STARTED WITH A HIJACK
DEMONSTRATION IN WHICH PEOPLE SITTING HERE, IF THEY OPTED IN TO THE ALTERNATE
WI-FI NETWORK THAT WE PROVIDED, DISCOVERED THAT INSTEAD OF GOING TO WHATEVER
WEB SITE THEY WERE TRYING TO GET TO, THEY WENT TO ONE THAT WAS UNDER OUR
CONTROL.

I HAVE TO SAY THAT DURING THE TWO HOURS WE WATCHED THE ATTENDANCE GO FROM A
RELATIVELY MODEST NUMBER AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING AND GROW NOTICEABLY TO 75,
AND THEN WHAT WE COUNTED AS APPROXIMATELY 100 PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE BY THE
TIME WE ENDED.

AND I WAS THINKING, BOY, THE PEOPLE WHO CAME LATE MISSED THE HIJACK DEMO.
I'M KEEN TO TRY THIS AGAIN WITH A LARGER AUDIENCE.

RAM MOHAN DID A VERY NICE JOB OF GIVING A TUTORIAL-LEVEL DESCRIPTION OF DNS
SECURITY.

MARIE ZITKOVA WHO IS HEAD OF DOT AERO FROM SITA PRESENTED THE REGISTRY VIEW
INCLUDING VARIOUS APPLICATIONS OF DNS SECURITY, AND THEN MOUHAMET DIOP AND
ALAIN AINA JOINED THE PANEL TO PROVIDE SOME PICTURE OF WHAT'S HAPPENING IN
VARIOUS PARTS OF AFRICA.

I HAVE THE PICTURE THAT THERE WILL BE RELATIVELY EARLY IMPLEMENTATION OF
DNSSEC IN VARIOUS PLACES, SO I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO MAKE ANNOUNCEMENTS,
BUT THAT'S A POSITIVE PICTURE THAT COMES OUT OF THAT.

DNS SECURITY IS COMING. THIS SLIDE IS THE SAME AS WHAT I PRESENTED IN
WELLINGTON. IT'S BEEN ONLY THREE MONTHS, AND THERE HASN'T BEEN A SHARP,
NOTICEABLE CHANGE, BUT SWEDEN HAS SIGNED THEIR ZONE. RIPE HAS SIGNED A
PORTION OF THE REVERSE ADDRESS TREE. MORE ARE COMING. THERE ARE VARIOUS
TEST BEDS IN OPERATION, AS SUZANNE MENTIONED.

AND AN IMPORTANT ASPECT IS THAT AT THE ENTERPRISE LEVEL, DNS SERVICE
PROVIDERS -- THAT IS, OUTSOURCED OPERATION OF NAME SERVICE RESOLUTION -- ARE
LIKELY TO BE THE SOURCE FOR RELATIVELY LARGER NUMBERS OF DNSSEC ADOPTIONS AS
OPPOSED TO IN-HOUSE FOR SORT OF A PERIOD OF TIME. SOMETHING THAT WE'RE
TRACKING.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT'S THE MATERIAL THAT WE'VE COVERED THIS WEEK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEVE.

WE'LL COME BACK TO QUESTIONS, AS I'VE SAID EARLIER, AFTER WE FINISH THE FINAL
REPORT OF THE MORNING, AND THAT'S ANNETTE MUEHLBERG FOR THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE. SO ANNETTE, I'LL INVITE YOU TO MAKE THAT REPORT.

>>ANNETTE MUEHLBERG: GOOD MORNING AND BONJOUR. MY NAME IS ANNETTE MUEHLBERG.
I'M THE CHAIR OF THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND ONE OF OUR BIG TASKS
IS TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED, TO MAKE THEM PARTICIPATE IN ICANN'S POLICIES.

SINCE WELLINGTON, WE HAVE -- WOULD YOU CHANGE, PLEASE.

SINCE WELLINGTON, WE HAVE SIX NEW AT-LARGE STRUCTURES ACCREDITED.

AHA. IT WORKS.

AND THESE ARE ESPECIALLY ORGANIZATIONS CONCENTRATING ON CONSUMER PROTECTION,
ON PRIVACY GROUPS.

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR US NOT TO JUST BUILD UP STRUCTURES BUT TO GET THE
INPUT, THE KNOWLEDGE OF THOSE PEOPLE AND THEIR ORGANIZATIONS INTO THE
AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BUT NOT ONLY INTO THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE BUT INTO ICANN AND TO HAVE AN EXCHANGE OF OPINIONS AND KNOWLEDGE.

TO GET THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ACCREDITED, WE IMPLEMENTED A NEW VOTING TOOL WHICH
HELPS US TO ACT MUCH MORE EFFICIENT.

AND TO BUILD UP THESE NEW STRUCTURES, THESE REGIONAL AT-LARGE ORGANIZATIONS,
THIS IS REALLY PIONEER WORK.

WE HAD A MEETING THIS MAY IN FRANKFURT. IT WAS THE FIRST PREPARATORY MEETING
FOR A EUROPEAN REGIONAL AT-LARGE ORGANIZATION.

IT WAS A VERY GOOD MEETING. IT WAS FULL OF ENERGY AND PEOPLE WERE TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT HOW THEY COULD WORK ISSUE ORIENTED, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE AVOID TO
BUILD UP A HUGE BUREAUCRACY, BUT REALLY HAVE THEIR KNOWLEDGE GET INTO THE
ICANN STRUCTURE AND THAT THEY HAVE -- CAN TAKE PART IN DECISION-MAKING
PROCESSES, BUT ALL ISSUE ORIENTED.

BUT THIS IS ALL NOT THAT EASY TO BUILD UP.

I WILL GO ON ON THAT LATER, BUT IN THIS MEETING, WE ALREADY HAD A ROADMAP SET
WITH MILESTONES HOW TO BUILD UP A REGIONAL AT-LARGE STRUCTURES, WITH THE
BYLAWS AND TO COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL FOR THE MOU SO WE ACTUALLY COULD START
IN 2007.

THE ASIAN PACIFIC REGIONAL AT-LARGE STRUCTURES, THEY ALREADY HAVE BEEN
WORKING MUCH LONGER ON THESE ISSUES, AND THEY ALREADY DEFINED OPERATING
PRINCIPLES.

WE HAD RIGHT HERE IN MARRAKECH SEVERAL MEETINGS, SEVERAL REGIONAL MEETINGS.
THE LATIN AMERICAN CARIBBEAN. THE ASIA PACIFIC, THE AFRICAN. AND I WANT TO
POINT OUT THAT IT IS VERY POSITIVE THAT MANY AT-LARGE STRUCTURES TOOK PART IN
THAT AND WERE VERY ACTIVE ON THAT. SO I MIGHT SAY RALOS ARE ON THE WAY.

WE ALSO HAD A WHOLE SUNDAY, HALF A SUNDAY, WORKSHOP ON REGIONAL AT-LARGE
STRUCTURES, HOW TO BUILD THIS AND WHAT ARE THE CHANCES TO DISCUSS THOSE, TO
STRENGTHEN THE BOTTOM-UP STRUCTURE OF ICANN. BUT ALSO ABOUT THE CHALLENGES.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THIS, THIS IS REALLY A BIG CHALLENGE, BECAUSE JUST IMAGINE
ICANN GEOGRAPHIC REGIONS ARE NOT THE SAME AS POLITICAL UNITS. SO THAT MEANS,
FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU TAKE ASIA, I MEAN ASIA, WE WERE IN WELLINGTON THE LAST
TIME, SO THAT IS ASIA, IRAN IS ASIA, CHINA IS ASIA. I MEAN, THIS IS WIDE,
WIDE GEOGRAPHIC REGION, AND IT IS ALSO POLITICALLY AN INTERESTING REGION.

SO YOU HAVE TO UNITE ALL THOSE FOLKS, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO COME
TOGETHER, AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO TALK TOGETHER. HOW DO THEY
TALK? IN WHAT LANGUAGE DO THEY TALK?

SO NOT EVERYONE SPEAKS ENGLISH. SO HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT ALL THAT? THIS IS
CERTAINLY A CHALLENGE, AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT THIS DOES NOT END IN A
WHOLE BUREAUCRACY, AND IN THE END, IN APATHY, BUT IN A POSITIVE INPUT.

ALAC IS CONCENTRATING ON POLITICAL ISSUES, RIGHT NOW ON POLICY ISSUES, ON THE
WHOIS, THE IDN, THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW GTLDS.

WE SUPPORT THE CONTINUED PROGRESS TOWARDS PROTECTING PRIVACY OF THE WHOIS
TASK FORCE. WE HAVE A MEMBER IN THE WHOIS TASK FORCE. WE ALSO HAVE A MEMBER
IN THE PRESIDENT'S COMMITTEE ON IDN. AND THIS WILL BE A FOCUS FOR OUR WORK
BECAUSE IDNS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THE INDIVIDUAL INTERNET USERS.

SOME DAYS AGO, I'M LOSING A LITTLE BIT THE IDEA OF TIME IN THESE DARK ROOMS
HERE, BUT WE HAD THIS WONDERFUL DOMAIN MARKETPLACE RIGHT HERE TAKING PLACE,
AND WE WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THESE THINGS AND SAY WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A
DOMAIN NAME TASTING ISSUES REPORT.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF HELP.

WHOOPS, PLEASE, COULD YOU GO BACK?

DOMAIN NAME TASTING ISSUES REPORT THAT WOULD BE OF HELP FOR OUR WORK.

AND AS YOU JUST CHANGED THE SIGNS, COULD YOU GO NEXT ON. WE ALL KNOW ABOUT
THE NTIA CALL AND THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WOULD LIKE TO GET INPUTS BY
THE INTERNET USERS ON THAT. SO PLEASE CHECK OUT OUR WEB SITE AT
WWW.ICANNALAC.ORG.

YOU CAN GIVE YOUR INPUTS THERE AND OF COURSE YOU STILL CAN SEND YOUR INPUTS
TO THE NTIA DIRECTLY.

HERE IN MARRAKECH WE ARE VERY HAPPY THAT IT WAS POSSIBLE TO LET ONE SPECIAL
PERSON ENTER THAT MEETING. I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU WHO IT IS. THAT IS ANN
ONYMOUS. SHE WAS ALLOWED TO TAKE PART HERE. AND I AM VERY HAPPY ABOUT THIS
POSSIBILITY. BUT SHE IS NOT THAT ANONYMOUS.

YOU CAN CHECK OUT WHO SHE IS ON THE ICANN WIKI.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HOPE YOU'LL STAY NEARBY BECAUSE IT'S
QUESTION TIME FOR ALL OF THOSE WHO JUST PRESENTED THEIR REPORTS.

SO LET ME -- I HAVE SEVERAL OF MY OWN, BUT LET ME ASK IF THERE ARE BOARD
QUESTIONS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR ON ANY OF THE REPORTS THAT HAVE JUST
BEEN GIVEN. I SEE RAIMUNDO HAS HIS HAND UP.

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VINT.

I WOULD LIKE TO RECALL TWO IMPORTANT FACTS REGARDING THE IPV6 POLICY, AND
THEN ASK A QUESTION TO -- TO SHARIL.

THE TWO IMPORTANT FACTS ARE THE FOLLOWING. THE FIRST ONE IS THAT THIS POLICY
IS PERFECTLY CONSISTENT WITH RESOLUTION 38 OF THE TUNIS AGENDA.

RESOLUTION 38 OF THE TUNIS AGENDA, LET ME RECALL IT, SAYS THAT THE MANAGEMENT
OF THE GLOBAL INTERNET RESOURCES SHOULD BE ENFORCED AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL.
AND THIS POLICY IS CONSISTENT WITH THAT TO THE EXTENT THAT THE SLASH 12,
WHICH IS GIVEN THE FIRST DAY TO EACH OF THE FIVE REGIONS, IS THE SAME FOR
EACH OF THE FIVE REGIONS. SO IT'S A QUESTION OF (INAUDIBLE), WHICH IS VERY
IMPORTANT AND WHICH WAS NOT THE CASE WITH IPV4.

THE SECOND FACT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION IS, AT LUXEMBOURG, LAST YEAR, WE
APPROVED A POLICY ON HOW THE FOLLOW-UP OF THIS PDP WILL BE FOLLOWED.

AND ONE OF THE MAIN ELEMENTS OF THIS PROCEDURE IS WHAT WE CALLED AN EARLY
AWARENESS REPORT.

AND THIS EARLY AWARENESS REPORT WAS POSTED TO EVERY SUPPORT ORGANIZATION AND
TO THE COMMUNITY AS THE POLICY WAS GOING -- WAS BEING APPROVED IN EVERY
SINGLE REGION.

AND I THINK THAT THE COMMUNITY CANNOT SAY TODAY THAT THEY ARE SURPRISED BY
THIS POLICY, BECAUSE THIS EARLY AWARENESS REPORT HAS BEEN PROVIDED, AND I
THINK THAT THE STAFF HAS MADE -- ICANN STAFF HAS MADE A VERY GOOD JOB ON
THIS, AND THE COMMUNITY HAS BEEN AWARE ABOUT THAT.

HAVING SAID THAT, THEN COMES THE QUESTION TO SHARIL.

WELL, TO THE EXTENT THAT THE GAC, AS EVERY SINGLE SUPPORT ORGANIZATION AND
EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY, HAS BEEN AWARE ABOUT THE EVOLUTION OF THIS POLICY,
THEN WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE GAC COMMUNIQUE, WHEN IT SAYS, "WE WELCOME
THIS POLICY," THEY ARE WELCOMING SOMETHING THAT THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

AND THEN WE THINK THAT THE -- IN THE LANGUAGE, DIPLOMATIC LANGUAGE OF
GOVERNMENTS, THIS MEANS, TO SOME EXTENT, AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE POLICY.

AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

BUT THEN THE QUESTION IS THE FOLLOWING: IN THE GAC COMMUNIQUE, IT SAID THAT
THE TIMELINE WOULD NOT LEAVE ROOM TO THE GAC, AS GAC, TO PROVIDE AN ADVICE
BECAUSE OF THE MOMENT IN WHICH THE COMMUNITY'S CALLED IN FINAL CALL TO GIVE
AN OPINION ON THIS.

AND TO THIS EXTENT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE
WORDING WHEN SAY THAT THE -- THAT THE GAC WOULD LIKE TO GIVE AN ADVICE, AND
IT HAS NOT THE OPPORTUNITY, IT MEANS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL GOVERNMENTS SHOULD
GO AND DO IT IN THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE THE TIMELINE STARTS ON JULY, THE 7TH OF
JULY, I THINK, AND IT WILL END ON THE 7TH OF SEPTEMBER OR SOMETHING LIKE
THAT.

SO IN THOSE 60 DAYS, OR EVEN LESS THAN 21 DAYS TO GIVE AN OPINION, SHOULD WE
UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A CALL TO GOVERNMENTS THAT -- BECAUSE THE GAC HAS NOT
THE TIME TO DO IT?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>VINT CERF: RAIMUNDO.

SHARIL, WOULD YOU LIKE TO RESPOND?

>>SHARIL TARMIZI: I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION.

MAYBE LET ME CLARIFY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, RAIMUNDO, FOR THAT QUESTION.

THE GAC, AS BEST IS POSSIBLE AND AS FAR AS POSSIBLE, GIVES ITS ADVICE ON A
CONSENSUS BASIS.

THE CHALLENGE HERE, OF COURSE, IS THE TIMELINE.

BECAUSE SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING IN BETWEEN.

IT IS ALSO QUITE COMMON FOR GOVERNMENTS NOT TO ACTUALLY GIVE ADVICE ON A
DRAFT, BUT WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE ADVICE BASED ON A FINAL DOCUMENT.

SO THOSE ARE THE PLACEHOLDERS THAT I AM PUTTING.

NOW, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS EARLY AWARENESS HAS
ALREADY TAKEN PLACE, IN SIMPLE LANGUAGE, WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT MANY OF THE
GAC COLLEAGUES THAT I HAVE IN THIS ROOM WILL AWAIT THE ARRIVAL OF THE FINAL
DOCUMENT, BUT THEY WILL, IMMEDIATELY AFTER MOROCCO, START CONSULTATIONS WITH
THEIR COLLEAGUES, WHO MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED AT THE REGIONAL LEVEL ON SOME OF
THESE POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES.

YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT, I THINK, COORDINATION BETWEEN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES
AND DEPARTMENTS IS ALSO CHALLENGING.

SO WE'RE NOT -- WE WILL ENDEAVOR TO MEET THE TIMELINES THAT HAS BEEN
PROPOSED.

BUT WE JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT THAT CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM FOR US.

THAT CONTINUES TO BE A CHALLENGE FOR US.

IF YOU EXPECT US TO SAY SOMETHING AS THE GAC, THAT WILL BE A PROBLEM.

NOTWITHSTANDING, IF THERE WERE ISSUES WHICH AROSE IN BETWEEN, I THINK WE HAVE
ALSO AGREED INTERNALLY THAT THROUGH AN EARLY WARNING MECHANISM THROUGH THE
CHAIR OF THE GAC, WE WILL NOTIFY THE BOARD ACCORDINGLY.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SHARIL.

>>SHARIL TARMIZI: I HOPE THAT SATISFIES THAT.

>>VINT CERF: LET ME TAKE A QUESTION FROM RAUL ECHEBERRIA.

>>RAUL ECHEBERRIA: THANK YOU, VINT.

IT'S MORE THAN A QUESTION.

IT'S A COMMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE EXCHANGE WITH THE GAC THE OTHER DAY, YESTERDAY,
I GUESS -- I DON'T REMEMBER -- THE DAY BEFORE YESTERDAY, WAS EXCELLENT.

I THANK PUBLICLY THE GAC FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT WAS A
VERY GOOD EXCHANGE.

THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED AFTER THE MEETING FROM A LOT OF GAC MEMBERS WAS
VERY POSITIVE AND I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THIS GOOD LEVEL OF COMMUNICATION.

I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING IN MY PERSONAL CAPACITY AND NOT REPRESENTING THE NRO.

AND IT HAS TO BE VERY CLEAR.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN THAT THE GAC RAISED REGARDING THE TIMELINE.

MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED SOON,
BEFORE THAT WE HAVE A NEW GLOBAL POLICY PROPOSAL, AND THEN WE WILL HAVE THE
SAME DISCUSSION AGAIN AS IT HAPPENED ALSO REGARDING THE IPV4 GLOBAL POLICY.

ONE QUESTION FOR RAIMUNDO IS THAT THE -- I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW RAIMUNDO
SAID REGARDING SURPRISES, BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY SURPRISES BY ANYBODY
UNTIL NOW.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: I DON'T THINK THAT RAIMUNDO WAS SAYING THERE WAS A SURPRISE.

IN FACT, I THINK HE WAS SAYING THAT THE MATERIAL WAS MADE AVAILABLE, AN EARLY
WARNING WAS MADE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR INFORMAL AGREEMENT.

THE PROBLEM HERE IS WE'RE RUNNING INTO AN AWKWARD REALITY THAT GAC SOMETIMES
DOESN'T REACT OR DOESN'T WANT TO OFFICIALLY REACT UNTIL THEY HAVE A FINAL
DOCUMENT IN FRONT OF THEM, OUT OF CONCERN THAT THE DOCUMENT MIGHT CHANGE AS
THEY TRACK IT ALONG.

WE DON'T HAVE TIME TO HAVE A LONG DEBATE ABOUT THIS.

BUT, SHARIL, I WOULD SAY THAT WE STILL NEED TO FIND MORE STREAMLINED WAYS OF
WORKING.

AND PERHAPS THE ICANN/GAC JOINT WORKING GROUP CAN HAVE THAT ON OUR AGENDA AS
WELL.

I HAVE THOMAS NARTEN IN THE QUEUE.

I'LL TAKE THAT QUESTION.

AND THEN I'LL TAKE ONE FROM THE FLOOR.

AND I ALSO SEE HAGEN HULTZSCH.

THOMAS.

>>THOMAS NARTEN: YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STEVE.

THIS IS REALLY (INAUDIBLE) HIS PRIVATE QUESTION I GOT.

WHY ARE REREGISTRATIONS IN SCOPE FOR THE SSAC?

>>STEVE CROCKER: THANK YOU, THOMAS.

SO THE QUESTION COMES UP AS TO WHAT'S THE SCOPE OF THE SECURITY AND STABILITY
ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AND IN THIS CASE, A REGISTRANT SIMPLY LET HIS NAME, HIS REGISTRATION, LAPSE,
EITHER INTENTIONALLY OR INADVERTENTLY, AND SOMEBODY ELSE PICKED IT UP, ISN'T
THAT JUST NORMAL BUSINESS, AND WHY DOES THAT RAISE A SECURITY CONCERN, OR WHY
IS THAT WITHIN THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE DO.

I THINK IT'S GENERALLY THE CASE THAT THIS TOUCHES ON MULTIPLE ASPECTS.

AND IT ISN'T EXCLUSIVELY OUR BUSINESS, BUT HERE'S A SITUATION WHERE THE PRIOR
REGISTRANT WAS CAUGHT OFF GUARD AND SURPRISED BY THE EFFECTS OF A SEQUENCE OF
ACTIONS.

THAT'S A -- PRETTY TYPICAL OF WHAT HAPPENS IN SECURITY BREACHES AND OTHER
SECURITY CONCERNS, WHERE YOU HAVE A SYSTEM OF SOME COMPLEXITY, AND THEN THE
USERS ARE LESS AWARE OF HOW ALL THE PIECES FIT TOGETHER AND WHAT THE
CONSEQUENCES ARE.

AS I SAID, WE DON'T VIEW THIS AS EXCLUSIVELY OUR TERRITORY.

MORE THAN HAPPY TO COOPERATE WITH OTHERS, AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO SEE OTHER
GROUPS, COULD BE ALAC, COULD BE REGISTRARS, COULD BE ALL SORTS OF OTHER
GROUPS, SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE.

AND, IN GENERAL, WHEREVER THERE ARE BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, OUR POSTURE IS --
HAS TWO PARTS.

ONE IS NOT TO SHY AWAY FROM SOMETHING JUST BECAUSE IT MAY BE CLOSE TO THE
BOUNDARY OF SOME OTHER SUBJECT AREA.

AND THE OTHER IS TO BE QUITE EAGER AND HAPPY TO WORK WITH OTHER GROUPS WHERE
THERE MIGHT BE COMMON INTEREST.

AND ALTHOUGH THE EMPHASIS ON WHAT I'VE SAID TODAY WAS ON THE REPUTATIONAL
HARM, THE COMPANION REPORT FOCUSED ON A MORE TECHNICAL ASPECT, WHERE THE NAME
SERVICE WOUND UP BEING HIJACKED.

AND THAT'S KIND OF UNQUESTIONABLY A DIRECT SECURITY CONCERN.

AND THE MECHANISM IS EXACTLY THE SAME.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, STEVE.

LET'S SEE.

A LITTLE WARNING HERE.

WE HAVE JUST SEVEN MINUTES LEFT BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE A BREAK FOR ANOTHER
MATTER.

SO I'LL TAKE A QUESTION FROM BECKY.

I HAVE IN THE QUEUE HAGEN AND DEMI.

BUT WE MAY NOT TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS UNTIL WE RETURN AT 11:00.

BECKY.

>>BECKY BURR: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE GAC ADVICE POINT, BUT I'M GOING TO GIVE WHAT I
HOPE IS A CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION.

SOMETIMES WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS IS INPUT FROM THE GAC RATHER THAN FORMAL
ADVICE.

AND GIVEN THE DIFFICULTY THAT THE GAC WILL HAVE IN MANY AREAS COMING TO
FORMAL ADVICE, AND ASSUMING THAT THE DEADLINES ARE REASONABLE, BECAUSE I
THINK THE DEADLINES ARE CHALLENGING IN SOME CASES, WHAT CAN THE GAC DO?

WOULD IT COMMIT TO MEET WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THE LACK OF ADVICE
FOR INFORMAL INPUT?

I MEAN, I THINK, AS YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT WAYS OF EXPEDITING IT, ONE VERY
HELPFUL WAY TO DO IT MIGHT BE TO SAY, WE DON'T ALWAYS NEED GAC ADVICE.

WE NEED INPUT.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS IT.

BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THEY CAN PRODUCE AN AGREED-UPON, FORMAL
STABILIZED DRAFT.

>>SHARIL TARMIZI: MR. CHAIRMAN, MAY I RESPOND?

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BECKY.

SHARIL.

>>SHARIL TARMIZI: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AND THANK YOU, BECKY.

CERTAINLY THAT'S A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTION.

IN FACT, I CAN SHARE WITH YOU THAT WE'VE BEEN PARTICULARLY ACTIVE WITH THE
GNSO ON EARLY ENGAGEMENT.

WE INTEND TO DO THAT WITH OTHER PEOPLE.

WE HAD A VERY GOOD SESSION WITH THE CCNSO AS WELL YESTERDAY.

AT THE LAST MEETING, WE HAD A SESSION WITH THE ALAC.

SO WE ARE KEEN AND WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO EARLY ENGAGEMENT AS EARLY AS WE
CAN.

FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE GNSO COUNCIL, I THINK WE'VE ALREADY STARTED WAY BACK
SINCE THE LUXEMBOURG MEETING.

HOWEVER, DUE TO THE CHALLENGES THAT EVEN IN GOVERNMENT YOU HAVE INSOFAR AS
TRYING TO GET ALL OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TO LINE UP ON A PARTICULAR ISSUE,
THIS IS WHAT IS A CHALLENGE.

SO IT'S A CHALLENGE ON BOTH SIDES, WITHIN GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS WITHIN THE
ICANN COMMUNITY.

SO I HOPE THAT THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATES THAT.

BUT WE ARE VERY, VERY COMMITTED TO ENGAGING EARLY WITH THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD
OF WAITING UNTIL THE END.

HAVING SAID THAT, THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE INTEND TO PUBLISH OUR
WORK PLAN, WHAT IT IS THAT WE WANT TO TRY TO PRIORITIZE, AND TRY AND
SYNCHRONIZE THAT WITH THE ICANN STRATEGIC PLAN, THE IDEA BEING IS THAT WHEN
WE PUT OUT WHAT IT IS THAT WE THINK IS OF CONCERN OR PRIORITY TO US, THEN
WHEN WE SIT DOWN WITH THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY, WE CAN THEN FIND SOME SORT
OF BALANCE TO TRY AND PROGRESS THE WORK AS OPPOSED TO SITTING QUIETLY IN A
CLOSED ROOM AND NOT TELLING YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.

>>BECKY BURR: THAT'S VERY ENCOURAGING.

I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS ONE STEP FARTHER, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

BUT THE FACT IS THAT THE GAC BELIEVES THAT IT IS ENTITLED TO TAKE THE TIME IT
NEEDS TO MAKE A DECISION, AND THAT COMMUNITY HAS AN OBLIGATION TO LISTEN TO
IT.

THAT'S FINE SO LONG AS THE GAC UNDERSTANDS THAT IT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO
LISTEN TO AFFECTED MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY IN A TIMELY FASHION WHEN THOSE
ISSUES ARISE.

THAT'S -- I MEAN, I JUST THINK IT'S AN EQUITY POINT.

>>VINT CERF: OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, BECKY.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO CALL A HALT TO THIS SESSION, AND WE'LL
RECONVENE AT 11:00.

I APPRECIATE YOUR INDULGENCE.

THANK YOU.

(BREAK.)
>>VINT CERF: ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING
BACK TO ORDER.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RETURNING SO PROMPTLY.

WE HAVE SEVERAL BRIEF ITEMS BEFORE WE RETURN TO THE Q AND A THAT I
INTERRUPTED.

FIRST OF ALL, IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED THAT THOSE OF YOU WHO DIDN'T HEAR THE CAT
UNDER THE STAGE SHOULD BE AWARE THAT WE SUSPECT IT WAS THE .CAT ORGANIZATION
THAT SENT ITS REPRESENTATIVE HERE TO ESTABLISH STAGE PRESENCE.

WE'D ALSO LIKE TO CONGRATULATE STEVE CONTE, WHO AMONG ALL OTHER JOBS HE HAS,
IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR HERDING CATS.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: IN ADDITION TO HERDING CATS, STEVE TELLS ME THAT THANKS TO OUR
LOCAL HOSTS, THE TECHNICAL TEAM, THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER CAMERA IN
PLACE TO REPLACE THE ONE THAT FAILED THIS MORNING.

SO WE WILL BE STREAMING VIDEO AGAIN.

SO, BOARD MEMBERS ESPECIALLY, BE AWARE THAT YOU'LL BE VISIBLE AS WELL AS
AUDIBLE.

SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T SCRATCH.

WHEN WE LEFT, I HAD HAGEN AND DEMI ON THE QUEUE FOR Q AND A.

SO I HOPE THAT THE PEOPLE YOU ARE ASKING THE QUESTIONS OF ARE ACTUALLY STILL
HERE IN THE ROOM.

HAGEN, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION?

>>HAGEN HULTZSCH: THE GOOD THING IS THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES CAN BE COVERED
ALSO IN THE BREAK.

SO I DID ADDRESS MY ISSUE IN THE BREAK.

BUT I THOUGHT IT WORTH TO REITERATE HERE IN THE MEETING.

I WAS VERY PLEASED TO LISTEN TO ANNETTE'S REPORT ABOUT THE BUILDUP OF RALO,
AND ALSO THAT THE FINANCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE TO DO ALL THIS, WHICH WE, LET'S
SAY, PUT SOME EFFORT TO MAKE IT HAPPEN DURING THE LAST YEARS, IN RELATION
WITH THE THOUGHT THAT ICANN ONLY CAN BE A STRONG ORGANIZATION IF IT HAS THE
ADEQUATE FINANCIAL RESOURCES.

I JUST WANTED TO ASK ANNETTE ABOUT -- SHE HAS GIVEN ME THE ANSWER ALREADY IN
THE BREAK, BY THE WAY -- WHETHER THERE ARE ISSUES WHICH WE FROM THE BOARD,
WHEN TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL ASPECTS, SHOULD BE AWARE OF.

AND I ALSO WOULD SAY IF THERE ARE ISSUES WHICH THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS TO
THE BOARD, THERE'S ALWAYS A DIRECT CHANNEL, IF REQUIRED, EVEN THOUGH THE
BOARD SHOULD NOT INVOLVE ITSELF INTO DIRECT OPERATIONAL ISSUES.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, HAGEN.

ANNETTE.

>>ANNETTE MUEHLBERG: WELL, THANK YOU, HAGEN, FOR THIS VERY GOOD NEWS.

I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH THE EFFECT MADE BY ICANN TO SUPPORT THESE REGIONAL
STRUCTURES.

AND I ALSO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE THAT THERE SHOULD BE DIRECT CONTACT.

FOR US, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT, FOR OUR WORK, IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE
EFFICIENT STRUCTURES AND ALSO EFFICIENT STRUCTURES IN THE COOPERATION WITH
THE STAFF.

AND IT IS GOOD TO HAVE A DIRECT CHANNEL.

AND IT'S ALSO GOOD NOT TO HAVE LAYERS OF INDIRECTNESS FOR APPROVAL PROCEDURES
AND ALL THIS.

SO THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, ANNETTE.

LET ME JUST REITERATE THAT ANYONE IN THE COMMUNITY SHOULD FEEL FREE TO SEND
E-MAIL TO ANY BOARD MEMBER IF THERE ARE ISSUES THAT YOU THINK NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED THAT ARE NOT GETTING ADEQUATE ATTENTION.

DEMI, YOU ALSO HAD A QUESTION.

>>DEMI GETSCHKO: JUST TO REINFORCE SOME POINTS THAT STEVE CROCKER SAID ABOUT
DOMAIN NAMES AND THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL CAREFULLY WITH USER NAMES IN THE
PROCESS OF DISTRIBUTING THEM FOR NEW USERS.

THE FIRST COME, FIRST SERVED IS REALLY A VERY FAIR PROCESS FOR NEW OR FOR
UNUSED DOMAINS.

BUT IT'S NOT REALLY FULLY APPLICABLE TO ALREADY USED DOMAINS.

AND STEVE SAID THAT WE HAVE TO EXERCISE CARE IN THE PROCESS OF LIBERATING
THESE ALREADY USED DOMAINS.

AND JUST TO GIVE SOME EXAMPLES AND MAYBE SOME (INAUDIBLE) THAT WE CAN BENEFIT
FROM, WE HAVE SOME EXAMPLES INSIDE THE CC COMMUNITY OF DEALING WITH THESE
USER DOMAINS IN THE PROCESS OF LIBERATING THEM AGAIN.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DEMI.

OTHER QUESTIONS, BOARD OR FLOOR?

OKAY.

THEN I'LL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS MOMENT TO -- OH, THERE'S ONE.

PLEASE GO AHEAD, ERICK.

>>ERICK IRIATE: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD LAST-MINUTE NEWS FROM LATIN AMERICAN
REGION.

WE HOPE TO HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN THE NEXT MONTH, ONE IN BUENOS AIRES, ANOTHER
MAYBE IN BARBADOS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, OR THE CARIBBEAN AREA, TO TRY TO
DEVELOP VERY QUICKLY THE RALO FOR LATIN AMERICA, BE IN SAO PAULO MEETING
OFFICIALLY STARTED, LAUNCH OUR RALO.

THANKS.

>>VINT CERF: I WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
MEETING IN BARBADOS.

YOU COULD PROBABLY GET A LOT OF UNEXPECTED INTEREST, ESPECIALLY DURING THE
WINTER MONTHS.

SO I HAVE A FEW EITHER QUESTIONS OR POINTS THAT I'M GOING TO TAKE IN ORDER
HERE, BACKWARDS ORDER, STARTING WITH ALAC.

AS I LISTENED TO ANNETTE'S REPORT AND AS WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY, IN A BRIEF
BOARD AND ALAC INTERACTION, IT OCCURRED TO ME THAT IN THE COURSE OF CREATING
THESE REGIONAL STRUCTURES WITH THE INTENT OF GETTING INPUT FROM THEM, THAT IT
ISN'T NECESSARY TO TRY TO FORCE THAT INPUT INTO ANY PARTICULAR CONSENSUS
FORM.

THE MOST VALUABLE THING WE CAN GET IS CONCRETE INPUT ABOUT SPECIFIC MATTERS.

AND IF THE INPUT COMING FROM THE AT-LARGE COMMUNITY IS DIVERSE, THAT'S OKAY.

JUST KNOWING WHAT THE DIVERSITY IS IS VERY HELPFUL TO BOARD DECISION-MAKING,
AND IT PROBABLY IS HELPFUL TO OTHER SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS.

SO I WOULD INVITE ALAC TO BE -- IN FACT, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT
FLEXIBILITY TO PROVIDE INFORMATION, NO MATTER HOW DIVERSE IT MIGHT BE.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STEVE.

THIS IS WITH REGARD TO IPV6.

THERE HAD BEEN IN THE PAST A CONCERN ABOUT IPV6 ADDRESSES IN THE ROOT ZONE
AND ALSO IPV6 ADDRESSES OF ROOT SERVERS.

EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT YOU CAN GET ON THE ORDER OF 13 ADDRESSES IN AN IPV4
PACKET WHEN YOU RESPOND TO, SAY, WHERE ARE ALL THE ROOT SERVERS.

BUT YOU CAN'T GET 13 IPV6 ADDRESSES INTO ONE PACKET.

AND THERE WAS SOME CONCERN AT ONE POINT THAT THIS WOULD CAUSE THE INITIATION
OF KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ROOT SERVERS TO BE LESS SATISFACTORY AND MAYBE NOT EVEN
WORK RIGHT.

SO AS -- I MAY HAVE PUT IT RATHER POORLY, STEVE, BUT DO YOU REMEMBER THAT
PROBLEM AND CAN YOU SAY WHETHER THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN RESOLVED?

>>STEVE CROCKER: THANK YOU, VINT.

I'LL SAY A WORD OR TWO AND THEN ASK SUZANNE TO ALSO SAY A WORD OR TWO ABOUT
THIS ON BEHALF OF THE ROOT SERVERS.

WE DID ACTUALLY SPEND A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME LOOKING AT THIS A WHILE AGO.

I -- MY RECOLLECTION IS ROUGHLY TWO YEARS AGO.

WHAT WE DIDN'T WIND UP DOING TO -- WITH SOME CHAGRIN, IS DOCUMENTING IN
DETAIL THE PRECISE SEQUENCE AND PATH FOR MOVING THROUGH THESE WICKETS.

THE CRUX OF IT, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IS EXACTLY AT THE POINT THAT YOU
SAID, THAT THE INITIATION PROCESS OR SO-CALLED HINTS FILE HAS TRADITIONALLY
BEEN LIMITED TO A 512-BYTE PACKET AND THAT THERE'S ONLY ROOM FOR A CERTAIN
NUMBER OF ADDRESSES, AND THAT IF WE NOW START ADDING IPV6 ADDRESSES INTO
THAT, WE'RE OVERLOADING THAT AND THERE'S A PATH.

IT IS NOT QUITE AS TIGHT AS THAT.

AND THERE IS A PATHWAY THROUGH IT.

BUT DOCUMENTING ALL OF THAT AND THEN HAVING THAT REVIEWED AND HAVING A
ROADMAP IS, I THINK, A TASK STILL IN FRONT OF US.

I ACTUALLY WAS FOCUSED ON THAT AGAIN THIS WEEK AND HAVE TRIED TO QUEUE UP
WITHIN SSAC SOME CONSIDERATION.

BUT THIS IS REALLY IN THE SPIRIT OF WHAT I WAS REMARKING EARLIER WHERE
THERE'S BOUNDARY CONDITIONS, IS ONE THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE WORKED WITH THE
OTHER RELEVANT PARTIES, MOST PARTICULARLY WITH RSSAC.

SUZANNE.

>>SUZANNE WOOLF: THANKS, STEVE.

YEAH, TO JUST SORT OF AMPLIFY ON WHAT STEVE WAS SAYING, THERE HAS BEEN AN
ONGOING WORK ITEM FOR RSSAC, BECAUSE THERE ARE --

>>VINT CERF: DOWN.

>>SUZANNE WOOLF: SLOWLY.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VERY FINICKY TECHNICAL POINTS HAVING TO DO WITH THE
SIZE OF THE PACKET.

HOW MANY NEW ADDRESSES WE CAN ADD FOR ROOT SERVERS.

THE ORDERING OF THE RECORDS IN EXACTLY ONE CASE MATTERS, FOR A SPECIFIC CASE
INVOLVING OLD CLIENTS.

AND I APOLOGIZE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE DEGREE OF TECHNICAL DETAIL.

BUT THE TAKEAWAY HERE IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FINE TECHNICAL POINTS,
AND RSSAC HAS BEEN WORKING FOR PERHAPS TOO LONG ON A VERY PRECISE AND
SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION TO IANA AS TO HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH V6 COMPATIBLE
RECORDS FOR THE ROOT SERVERS THEMSELVES.

THERE ARE AND HAVE BEEN -- YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A RECOMMENDATION AND ACTION ON
IPV6-COMPATIBLE RECORDS FOR TLDS THAT ENDED UP INCLUDING SOME GUIDELINES ON
HOW TO DO IT AND HOW TO TELL IF THERE WERE ANY TECHNICAL INCOMPATABILITIES
WITH A SPECIFIC REQUEST.

AND WE ARE -- THAT'S THE ONE THAT I REFERRED TO IN MY REPORT AS WE HOPED TO
HAVE CLOSURE ON THAT AND BE ABLE TO FORWARD IT TO IANA.

BUT THE FINICKY TECHNICAL DETAILS HAVE BEEN REQUIRING PRECISE THOUGHT.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUZANNE.

I AM REALLY EAGER TO SEE THE SPECIFIC. I WON'T WASTE ANY MORE TIME ON IT
NOW, BUT I WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH A FEW MORE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

I HAVE TWO MORE RELATED TO THE ROOT SERVERS.

STEVE MENTIONED DNSSEC, AND OF COURSE I KNOW RSSAC IS LOOKING AT THAT. AND
WE ALSO NOW ARE CONSIDERING THE INTRODUCTION OF IDNS AT THE -- IN THE ROOT
ZONE.

IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT THE ROOT SERVER OPERATORS WOULD NEED EQUIPMENT
CHANGES IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THESE THINGS? MORE MEMORY, HIGHER SPEED
PROCESSORS? IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT THERE MIGHT HAVE TO BE SOME PLANNING
FOR OTHER THAN SOFTWARE UPGRADES IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE THESE TWO FUNCTIONS?

>>SUZANNE WOOLF: THE ADDITIONAL -- THE ADDITIONAL DATA AND RESPONSES FROM THE
ROOT SERVERS DOES REQUIRE IN SOME CASES ADDITIONAL PROCESSING, DOES REQUIRE
ADDITIONAL BANDWIDTH SIMPLY BECAUSE THE RESPONSES WILL BE BIGGER.

THE TWO POINTS TO KNOW ABOUT THAT ARE, FIRST THAT, THE SYSTEM IS DRAMATICALLY
OVERPROVISIONED TODAY. AND SECOND, THAT EVERYONE PLANS TO NEED IT TO BE MORE
DRAMATICALLY OVERPROVISIONED INTO THE FUTURE.

SO THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS, YES, THIS DOES NEED PLANNING AND FORESIGHT,
AND IT IS BEING DONE.

>>VINT CERF: THAT'S, OF COURSE, THE CRITICAL QUESTION. PEOPLE ARE PLANNING
FOR THAT IN A TIMELY WAY.

THANK YOU.

A FINAL QUESTION FROM ME TO RAUL ECHEBERRIA ON IPV6 ALLOCATIONS.

I JUST WANTED TO FIND OUT WHETHER THERE'S A WAY FOR ICANN, OR AT LEAST ME, TO
LEARN MORE ABOUT THE RATE AT WHICH WE ARE PROJECTING IPV6 ADDRESS SPACE TO BE
CONSUMED.

MY CONCERN IS NOT AT THE FRONT END WHERE WE HAVE A GLOBAL POLICY COMING UP.
THE BIG CONCERN IS AT THE USER END, WHAT'S THE ACTUAL SIZE OF ALLOCATIONS?

IT'S COMMON TO HEAR SLASH 48, WHICH IS 80 BITS OF ALLOCATION, WHICH IS A
VERY, VERY BIG NUMBER OF ADDRESSES PER END USER.

SO MY CONCERN IS THAT WE MAY HAVE SET OURSELVES UP FOR MORE RAPID CONSUMPTION
OF THE V6 ADDRESS SPACE THAN ONE MIGHT EXPECT.

IT'S NOT BEING CONSUMED VERY QUICKLY RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS COULD CHANGE AS
EARLY AS 2007 OR '8, PARTICULARLY WHEN DEADLINES EXPIRE IN THE DEFENSE
DEPARTMENT IN THE U.S., IN CHINA FOR THE OLYMPICS, WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN
COMMITMENTS TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT V6 DEPLOYMENT IN THAT FRAME. SO RAUL, CAN
YOU AT LEAST TELL ME WHERE I SHOULD GO TO LEARN MORE.

>>RAUL ECHEBERRIA: CURRENTLY, THE POLICIES FOR IPV6 ALLOCATIONS FROM THE RIRS
TO THE ISPS ARE LIMITED FOR SOME TECHNICAL CONSTRAINTS.

SOME OF THEM ARE RELATED WITH THE DESIGN OF THE PROTOCOL. THE PROTOCOL WAS
DESIGNED AS OTHER THAT DEPENDS ON THE RFC THAT HAS BEEN PASSED BY THE IETF,
AND SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN REVISING NOW.

HOW WE CALCULATE THE ALLOCATIONS IS THAT WE CONSIDER THAT ANY END USER WILL
RECEIVE IN THE END OF THE DAY SLASH 64.

SLASH 48 FOR ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAS TO DO REASSIGNED NUMBERS FOR THE
SUBNETWORKS.

SO THE SIZE OF THE ALLOCATIONS TO THE END USERS IS BEING DISCUSSED NOW IN
MOST OF THE RIRS. THERE ARE PROPOSALS TO CHANGE THE SIZE OF THE ALLOCATIONS
TO SLASH 56.

BUT IT STILL DEPENDS ON A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF THE SCOPE OF THE
RIRS.

>>VINT CERF: THOMAS.

>>THOMAS NARTEN: LET ME JUST ADD A COUPLE OF COMMENTS HERE, BECAUSE THE
QUESTION YOU RAISED I HEAR QUITE FREQUENTLY. AND ONE OBSERVATION TO BE MADE
IS, YES, IF YOU GIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, A SLASH 48 TO AN END SITE THAT'S A HUGE
AMOUNT OF SPACE, AND CERTAINLY IF YOU ARE USED TO IPV4, IT SEEMS QUITE A BIT
BEYOND WHAT ONE WOULD EXPECT. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE IETF EXPECTATIONS
ACTUALLY SAY, THEY SPLIT AN ADDRESS INTO TWO PARTS AT THE SLASH 64 BOUNDARY.
SO THE RIGHTMOST 64 BITS ARE USED ONLY FOR HOST ADDRESSING AND IT'S USED TO
SIMPLIFY (INAUDIBLE) AUTO CONFIGURATION AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO IN
PRACTICE, WHAT THE REGISTRIES CAN GIVE TO N SIZE IS A SLASH 64. THAT'S THE
SMALLEST ALLOCATION THEY CAN GIVE. AND THEN WHAT THE REGISTRIES ACTUALLY ARE
GIVING TO THE ISPS AND THE ISPS ARE IN TERM GIVING TO END USERS HAS UP UNTIL
RECENTLY BEEN A SLASH 48 OR 16 BITS FOR ADDRESSING N SIZE.

NOW THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT DISCUSSIONS IN THE LAST YEAR TO TRY TO MOVE THAT
FROM A SLASH 48 TO A SLASH 56. AND IN FACT, ARIN HAS ADOPTED SUCH A
PROCEDURE AND IN THE OTHER ONES THE DISCUSSION IS ONGOING WITHOUT ANY CLEAR
RESOLUTION YET.

THEN STEPPING UP A LEVEL, PEOPLE HAVE LOOKED AT THIS, AND DONE PROJECTIONS,
AND THERE HAS BEEN SOME CONCERN THAT IF YOU ACTUALLY GO OUT BEYOND 50 YEARS
AND BEYOND A HUNDRED YEARS THAT WE MIGHT -- I DON'T WANT TO SAY RUN OUT OF
ADDRESS SPACE SO MUCH AS WE MIGHT USE MORE THAN WE WOULD HAVE EXPECTED. AND
THAT HAS LED TO THE PUSH TO MOVE THE SLASH 48 BOUNDARY TO THE RIGHT AND ALSO
TO MAKE CHANGES TO WHAT IS KNOWN AS THE HT RATIO OF THRESHOLDS SO YOU HAVE TO
PACK MORE DENSELY THAN YOU WOULD HAVE BEFORE.

SO I DON'T THINK -- PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THIS AND THE DEBATE ISN'T REALLY --
THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL -- THAT BELIEVE WE DO NOT EVEN NEED TO MAKE THE
SLASH 48 CHANGE, THAT WE ARE IN NO DANGER OF RUNNING OUT OF ADDRESS SPACE AND
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS IT'S BEEN KIND OF DIFFICULT TO GET AGREEMENT ACROSS
THE BOARD ON THAT.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, THOMAS.

THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU DON'T WANT TO FIND OUT 25 OR 30
YEARS LATER THAT YOU MADE A MISTAKE LIKE I DID WHEN I AGREED TO A 32-BIT
ADDRESS SPACE FOR IPV4.

>>RAUL ECHEBERRIA: I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOME SMALL COMMENT, IF POSSIBLE.

SO THE FIRST THING IS I WANT TO REMARK ON WHAT THOMAS HAS SAID IN THE END OF
HIS SPEECH, IS WE ARE SPEAKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE OF HAVING IPV6 ADDRESSES
FOR 50 YEARS OR A HUNDRED YEARS. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT FIVE OR TEN YEARS.

BUT THE RIRS HAVE THREE THINGS, THE RIR COMMUNITY HAS THREE THINGS TO APPROVE
THE CONSERVATION OF IPV6. ONE OF THEM IS APPROVING THIS POLICY FOR CHANGING
THE ALLOCATIONS TO N SIZE FROM THE SLASH 64 TO 56.

THE SECOND ONE IS TO CHANGE THE POLICY IN WHAT IS RELATED TO HD RATIO AS WE
ARE CHANGING THE RATE HERE FROM .8 TO .94, WHICH WILL REALLY IMPROVE THE
CONSIDERATION OF IPV6 VERY, VERY MUCH.

THE THIRD ONE IS AS I PRESENTED IN MY REPORT IS WE ARE WORKING THE
HARMONIZATION OF THE ALLOCATION PROCESSES. THAT'S BECAUSE OF IPV6 IS
RELATIVELY NEW, STILL RELATIVELY NEW, THEN, WE HAVE BEEN USING DIFFERENT
PRACTICES SOMETIMES FOR CALCULATING THE SIZE OF THE ALLOCATIONS AS WE ARE
REVISING THAT AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT COMMON PRACTICES TO BE APPLIED IN
OTHER REGIONS.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ONE MORE QUESTION FROM THE FLOOR.

>>JORDI PALET: HI, JORDI PALET. I WOULD LIKE TO ADD SOMETHING.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS I DON'T REALLY BELIEVE IT'S GOOD TO CHANGE THE SLASH 48
TO SLASH 56. IT'S SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY DON'T RELATE TO THIS DISCUSSION,
BUT IT'S RELEVANT BECAUSE IT'S THE KIND OF CHANGE IN WHAT IS HAPPENING. SO
CHANGING DATA RATIO, IT'S ALREADY HAPPENING IN ALL THE REGIONS, MEANS
ACCORDING TO CALCULATIONS DONE BY, FOR EXAMPLE, TONY (SAYING NAME), WE HAVE
IPV6 SPACE FOR 40 YEARS. AND THIS IS VERY RELEVANT BECAUSE EVEN IF WE ARE
WRONG, 75% WILL STILL HAVE IPV6 FOR 100, 120 YEARS. AND THE IMPORTANCE IN
HERE AT THE END IS EVEN IF WE HAVE -- IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE IN THE
POLICIES IN THE DIFFERENT REGIONS THE DEFAULT LOCATION FROM SLASH 48 TO SLASH
56, IF THIS HAPPENS WHICH I'M NOT REALLY SURE IT WILL HAPPEN IN ALL THE
REGIONS, THAT THEN MEANS THAT THE END USER CAN COME BACK AND SAY I REALLY
NEED THE SLASH 48.

WHAT THAT MEANS AT THE END IS THE SLASH 12 FOR THE GLOBAL POLICY, IT WILL BE
STILL RELEVANT BECAUSE THE CALCULATIONS FROM THE ISPS NEED TO BE DONE ON THAT
WAY IF THE USERS ASK FOR MORE SPACE.

AND THE OTHER POINT IS OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT AN ISSUE HAVING A SLASH 12 TO THE
REGISTRIES IN THE SENSE THAT THE REGISTRIES ARE KIND OF AN INTERMEDIATE
BATTLE. SO WE ARE NOT BOOSTING ADDRESSING SPACE. WE ARE JUST HELPING THE
ROUTING TABLES TO GROW BEYOND BECAUSE THE ISPS DON'T GET THE DIFFERENT IPV6
PREFIXES FRAGMENTED AND NEED TO ANNOUNCE MORE ROUTES.

SO AT THE END, I THINK IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE
TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION, AND WE HAVE -- OR WILL HAPPEN IN THE NEXT
FEW YEARS, WE HAVE ALREADY TODAY MANY MORE PROBLEMS WITH ROUTING SCALABILITY
THAN PROBLEMS WHICH LACK OF IPV6 ADDRESSING SPACE AT LEAST FOR EVERYBODY CAN
BE GROWN. THIS IS JUST A FORECAST, AND WE MAKE ALL FORECAST WRONG EVERY
TIME. BUT I REALLY THINK WE WILL HAVE IPV6 FOR MANY MORE YEARS THAN WE
REALLY WILL BE USING IPV6, AT LEAST AS WHAT WE KNOW TODAY.

I BELIEVE IN 50 YEARS WE WILL NEED SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN IP.

MAYBE IT WILL BE STILL CALL IT IP, BUT REALLY, WE ARE NOT IN THAT DANGER
SITUATION.

AND BEING ULTRA CONSERVATIVE, BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR MIND SET FOR IPV4 COULD BE
EVEN MORE HURTING THAN REALLY FOLLOWING THE APPROACH WHICH I THINK WE ARE
TRYING WITH THIS GLOBAL POLICY.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU.

THOMAS AND THEN WE NEED TO CUT THIS DEBATE OFF.

>>THOMAS NARTEN: I WILL JUST OBSERVE THE EXCHANGE TAKING PLACE RIGHT NOW IS
EXACTLY WHAT GOES ON IN THE REGISTRY COMMUNITY. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE
VIEWS ARE FAIRLY DIVERSE.

>>VINT CERF: OKAY. NOW COMES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT. IF I COULD CALL ON ANTONIO TAVARES WHO IS ONE OF OUR HOSTS FOR
THE UPCOMING ICANN MEETINGS IN SAO PAULO, HE HAS ASKED TO GIVE US A LITTLE
GLIMPSE OF WHAT WE CAN EXPECT IN THAT SPECIAL CITY IN THE SOUTH.

>>ANTONIO TAVARES: (INAUDIBLE) OLYMPIC SPIRIT DURING OUR LAST CONFERENCE IN
RIO DE JANEIRO.

DEAR VINT, SHOULD I SAY DR. CERF? DEAR PAUL, DEAR BOARD MEMBERS, LADIES AND
GENTLEMEN, DEAR FRIENDS.

ON BEHALF OF THE BRAZIL INTERNET STEERING COMMITTEE, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH
FOR GIVING THE CONFIDENCE TO THE BRAZILIANS TO ORGANIZE ONCE AGAIN THE ICANN
MEETING, THIS TIME IN SAO PAULO.

AS WE DID IN RIO DE JANEIRO, WE PROMISED YOU THAT A REMARKABLE EVENT WILL
MAKE YOU REMEMBER SAO PAULO FOR A LONG TIME IN A VERY GOOD WAY OF WORK AND
SOME FUN, OF COURSE.

BEING THE ECONOMIC HEART OF THE COUNTRY, SAO PAULO IS REALLY A VERY DYNAMIC
CITY. WE ARE PREPARED TO RECEIVE EVENTS OF THE MAGNITUDE OF ICANN MEETINGS.

TWO WEEKS AGO, WE HAD THE PLEASURE TO MEET, TO RECEIVE VINT, AND HE CAN JUST
PROVE YOU IT WORKS VERY WELL.

SO WE ARE VERY PROUD FOR IT, AND JUST ON YOUR OWN INFORMATION, A LITTLE BIT
OF BRAZILIAN HISTORY IS ON THE DVD BEING PRESENTED, AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A
BRIEF STORY OF BRAZIL, AND SOME PICTURES OF SAO PAULO AND THE OTHER POINTS OF
THE COUNTRY.

OUR FRIENDS, OUR GOOD TEAM, MARIO, MARCELLO, AND GLASER, OF COURSE, ARE
GIVING YOU SOME OF THE FOLDERS THAT EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT WE ARE THINKING TO
MAKE THE SAO PAULO EVENT.

IN FACT, WE ARE REALIZING IT IN A VERY SPECIAL HOTEL. WE ARE VERY WELL
PREPARED FOR EVENTS LOCATED IN THE SOUTH REGION OF SAO PAULO. AND AS WE DID
IN RIO DE JANEIRO, WE ARE TAKING CARE IN ALL SENSE FOR SECURITY, FOR
PROTECTION, AND FOR TRANSFERS BETWEEN HOTELS FROM THE AIRPORT TO THE LOCAL
EVENTS. AND OF COURSE MANY OF THE ROOMS AT THE HOTEL ARE ALREADY RESERVED
FOR ICANN PEOPLE.

FOR TECHNICAL REASONS, THE ICANN WEB SITE, LOCAL WEB SITE, IS TO BE LAUNCHED
WITHIN TWO OR THREE WEEKS.

LET ME MAKE A REMARK ESPECIALLY FOR THE VISAS. SOME COUNTRIES HAVE A LITTLE
PROBLEM WITH VISAS WHEN COMING TO BRAZIL, BUT WE HAVE PRESENT IN THIS ROOM A
REPRESENTATIVE OF THE FOREIGN AFFAIR MINISTER OF BRAZIL, AND HE GRANTS US AND
DIANE YESTERDAY DURING A MEETING YESTERDAY THAT ALL OF THE BOARD OF ICANN
STAFF HAS ALREADY PRE-APPROVED VISAS, SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GO TO THE
CONSULATE OR THE EMBASSY AND YOU CAN VERY EASILY GET YOUR OWN VISA. THE SAME
FOR ANY ATTENDEE THAT WANTS TO BE THERE.

SO AS WE PROMISED BEFORE IN OUR BOOTH TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DEPOSIT THEIR
OWN BUSINESS CARD, WE HAVE SOME SURPRISE TO GIVE YOU.

THE DRAW IS -- DURING THE DRAW, THE PERSON TO BE CHOSEN IS TO BE PRESENT IN
THIS ROOM AT THIS MOMENT TO GET THE SURPRISE.

BEFORE IT, I WOULD LIKE GLASER TO MAKE A GIFT TO OUR CHAIRMAN OF ONE OF THE
BRAZILIAN GIFTS THAT WE CHOOSE. VERY TYPICAL FOR THESE TIMES.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU. THAT'S TERRIFIC. HERE WE ARE. ARE WE READY?

[ LAUGHTER ]
>>VINT CERF: I'LL HAVE TO GET IN MY THREE-PIECE SOCCER SUIT

[ LAUGHTER ]
[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: SO WE ARE VERY SURE THAT BRAZIL WILL BE COMMEMORATING NEXT
WEEK SOMETHING. I'M SORRY FOR THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS.

BUT NOW, MAY I INVITE THERESA TO CHOOSE THE BUSINESS CARDS AS A NEUTRAL? ONCE
AGAIN, THE BUSINESS CARD WILL CORRESPOND TO A PERSON THAT IS PRESENT NOW IN
HERE.

OKAY. AND THE FIRST IS GOING TO MICHAEL L., DEPUTY HEAD OF DIVISION,
INTERNATIONAL POLICY FOR INFORMATION COMMUNICATION TECHNOLOGY, GERMANY.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: HE IS NOT HERE. HE IS ON A BUS TOUR.

>>ANTONIO TAVARES: I AM VERY SORRY.

[ LAUGHTER ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: DR. (SAYING NAME), GOVERNMENT OF INDIA.

HERE HE IS.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: YOU JUST NEED TO GO TO BRAZIL TO TAKE SOME MOMENTS.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: MICHAEL HELLER. MICHAEL HELLER.

[ APPLAUSE ]
[ LAUGHTER ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: HARTMUT GLASER -- NO, I'M SORRY.

JODIE VILLARAZA. (SAYING NAME).

AHA. IT IS DIFFICULT. IT IS IN JAPANESE. TOSHAKI TATAISHI.

YOU SURE?

[ LAUGHTER ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: THE LAST TWO. MR. ANDRE PHILIP. NOT HERE.

CAN YOU HELP ME, DEMI? (SAYING NAME).

NOT HERE? IT'S PROBABLY A DEMI FRIEND.

MONGAMELI (SAYING NAME), UNIVERSITY.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: SO PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO PASS THROUGH OUR BOOTH. WE
HAVE SOME MORE MATERIALS, VERY INTERESTING TO YOU TO LEARN ABOUT BRAZIL AND
THE CITY OF SAO PAULO.

BEFORE I FINISH, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO OUR BRAZILIAN TEAM THAT IS WORKING
VERY CLOSER TO US, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MARIO, MARCELLO, GLASER WHO IS
HERE PRESENT, AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE SUPPORT OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE
HAVE IN OUR BRAZILIAN STEERING COMMITTEE. I WILL BE READY OR OUR TEAM WILL
BE READY FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
ATTENTION.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ANTONIO TAVARES: WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP OF SOCCER.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE
BRAZILIANS, AND I ASSUME THE FACT THAT THEY ARE GIVING US BALLS MEANS THAT
THERE WILL BE A FOOTBALL, OR AS THE U.S., THEY SAY SOCCER, TOURNAMENT IN SAO
PAULO. IT DEPENDS ON THE PERSONAS OF PEOPLE LIKE (SAYING NAMES), ROBERTO,
CARLOS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, WHETHER YOU WILL BE HAPPY IN A FEW DAYS OR NOT.

[ LAUGHTER ]
>>VINT CERF: THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING WILL SHOW THAT THE BRAZILIAN
DELEGATION TOTALLY DISRUPTED THE MEETING BY THROWING SOCCER BALLS EVERYWHERE,
AND THE ENTIRE AUDIENCE WENT OFF PLAYING FOOTBALL INSTEAD OF GETTING OUR WORK
DONE.

SPEAKING OF WHICH, WE NOW MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA WHICH IS AN
UPDATE ON STRATEGIC PLANNING, AND I'LL CALL ON KURT PRITZ TO MAKE THAT
PRESENTATION.

>>KURT PRITZ: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

AS I DESCRIBED YESTERDAY, THIS IS JUST ABOUT THE START OF THE NEW FISCAL
YEAR, AND GIVEN ICANN'S PLANNING CALENDAR, THAT MEANS A SIX-MONTH PLANNING
CYCLE WHERE WE ENTER THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.

SO AT THIS MEETING, WE BEGAN THE CONSULTATION PROCESS WITH VARIOUS
PARTICIPANTS AND CONSTITUENCIES IN ORDER TO FEED INTO THE FIRST DOCUMENTS
THAT WILL BE GENERATED FOR THAT PROCESS.

THIS IS THE STRATEGIC PLANNING CALENDAR, HOW WE HAVE IT LAID OUT.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALL, SO I'VE RE-LAID IT OUT THIS WAY.

LIKE I SAID, WE BEGAN CONSULTATION HERE AND HAD CONSULTATIONS LED IN ENGLISH,
FRENCH, SPANISH, AND ARABIC, OR CONDUCTED IN THOSE LANGUAGES.

AS A RESULT OF THESE CONSULTATIONS, WE'LL PREPARE AN ISSUES DOCUMENT AND THEN
POST THAT FOR COMMENT.

ACROSS THIS WHOLE PROCESS, IT SHOULD BE MENTIONED THE THIRD BULLET UNDER JULY
THAT THERE WILL BE PRESENTATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS THROUGHOUT THE DIFFERENT
REGIONS AND IN VARIOUS CONFERENCES TO CONTINUE TO GET INPUT AND CONDUCT
CONSULTATIONS IN ORDER TO FORM A STRATEGIC PLAN THAT HAS THE FULL INPUT OF
THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN AS A RESULT OF ALL THIS, THEN, IN SEPTEMBER WE'LL PREPARE A KEY
PRIORITIES DOCUMENT.

THAT WILL BE RELEASED IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES FOR COMMENT. AND THAT COMMENTARY
AND THAT FEEDBACK WILL THEN INFORM THE PREPARATION OF A DRAFT STRATEGIC PLAN
SOMETIME IN OCTOBER, WHICH WILL BE RELEASED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN
THERE WILL BE AN ITERATIVE REDRAFTING OF THAT THROUGH NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER
AS WE RECEIVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL CONSULTATIONS ON THE DRAFT DOCUMENT ITSELF AND REVISE
IT AS NECESSARY, AND THEN PLAN TO SUBMIT IT TO THE BOARD AT THE MEETING IN
SAO PAULO, IF THERE'S TIME FOR THAT AMONGST ALL THE SOCCER.

SO INTERESTINGLY, AND VERY EFFECTIVELY, THE ICANN REGIONAL LIAISON STAFF
CONSULTED -- "CONSULTED," SORRY -- LED THE CONSULTATIONS HERE IN THE MEETING
IN MARRAKECH IN THESE LANGUAGES. SO WHILE IT WASN'T THE INTENT OF THESE
POSITIONS TO PERFORM THESE TASKS, IT'S A SIDE BENEFIT AND VERY VALUED
BENEFIT. AND FOR THAT I THANK THEM IN ADVANCE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO HEAR BRIEF PRESENTATIONS ON THE COMMENTS WE'VE HEARD SO
FAR FROM BAHER ESMAT, PABLO HINOJOSA, ANNE-RACHEL, AND THEN PATRICK SHARRY
CONDUCTED THE CONSULTATION IN ENGLISH BUT I WILL GO OVER THE COMMENTS WE
RECEIVED THERE.

SO BAHER, WOULD YOU COME UP?

>>BAHER ESMAT: THANK YOU, KURT.

[ SPEAKING ARABIC ] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY TELL YOU WHAT
THE MAIN POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED DURING THE STRATEGIC PLANNING
SESSION IN ARABIC.

I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS IN ARABIC LANGUAGE FIRST, THEN I'M GOING TO SWITCH
BACK TO ENGLISH.

[ SPEAKING ARABIC ] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAD THIS MEETING A COUPLE OF
DAYS AGO.

WE HAD PRESENCE FROM COUNTRIES LIKE EGYPT, SUDAN, LIBYA, AND UNITED ARAB
EMIRATES.

THE MAIN QUESTIONS THAT CAME FROM THE FLOOR WERE BASICALLY CONCENTRATED ON
THE IDN ISSUE, WITH A PARTICULAR FOCUS ON THE ARABIC DOMAIN NAMES.

THE QUESTION WAS MAINLY WHAT ARE THE MAIN DEVELOPMENTS FROM THE ICANN SIDE AS
FAR AS IDNS ARE CONCERNED.

I GIVE THEM A BRIEF ON THE PROCESS HOW IT HAS BEEN GOING.

AND WE ALSO HAD SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE AUDIENCE, FROM THE FLOOR, ON THE IDN
PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE ACTIVITIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE.

THE SECOND QUESTION THAT CAME FROM THE FLOOR WAS REGARDING THE PARTICIPATION
OF THE ARABIC COMMUNITY IN THE ICANN PROCESS AND HOW CAN WE INCREASE AND MAKE
THE PARTICIPATION MORE EFFECTIVE.

WE ALSO HAD SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT POINT FROM THE FLOOR.

WE HAD PEOPLE FROM CCTLDS AS WELL AS GAC MEMBERS WHO PUT SOME FEEDBACK ON
THAT.

THE THIRD AND LAST QUESTION WAS ON THE ICANN OUTREACH PLANS AND HOW THE
REGIONAL LIAISONS ARE WORKING ON THOSE PLANS AND WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR THE
MIDDLE EAST IN PARTICULAR.

THE MAIN OUTPUTS OF THE MEETING, THERE WAS AN AGREEMENT AMONG THE AUDIENCE
THAT PARTICIPATION IS QUITE IMPORTANT, AND THE ARAB COMMUNITY AND THE MIDDLE
EAST COMMUNITY HAVE TO WORK ON MAKING THEIR PARTICIPATION MORE EFFECTIVE AND
MORE COORDINATED.

THEY ALSO POINTED OUT THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING MORE REGIONAL ACTIVITIES GOING
ON FROM TIME TO TIME ON DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, WHETHER THOSE REGARDING
TECHNICAL ISSUES LIKE IDNS OR DNSSEC, OR EVEN OTHER POLICY ASPECTS.

THE LAST POINT, THE AUDIENCE ALSO PRAISED THE FACT THAT WE'RE HAVING SUCH
MEETINGS CONDUCTED IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, AND THEY WISH TO SEE THIS HAPPEN
AGAIN IN THE COMING ICANN MEETING.

SO, ONCE AGAIN, I THANK ALL THE PARTICIPANTS, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR
ATTENTION.

THANK YOU.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>PABLO HINOJOSA:.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] THE FIRST OF THE TWO CONSULTATION SESSIONS IN SPANISH
ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS THE MOST INTENSE.

IT HAD EXACTLY 0 PARTICIPANTS, THAT, NOT SURPRISINGLY, WERE AT THE BAR
WATCHING THE GAME BRAZIL AGAINST GHANA.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] WEDNESDAY CONSULTATIONS WERE A DIFFERENT STORY.

THEY HAD 14 PARTICIPANTS, AMONG THEM SOME PORTUGUESE-SPEAKING VICTORIOUS
BRAZILIANS.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT THE DNS
AND ICANN WILL FACE IN THE FUTURE AHEAD, THE COMMUNITY IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF
ISSUES THAT COULD BE AGGREGATED IN FIVE CATEGORIES SHOWN IN THIS SLIDE:
TECHNICAL ISSUES, REGIONALIZATION AND INTERNATIONALIZATION STRATEGIES,
SUGGESTIONS ABOUT EVOLUTION OF ICANN, THE ICANN MODEL, AND, FINALLY, THOSE
THAT ARE POLITICAL.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] UNDER THE TECHNICAL CATEGORY, THE SPANISH/PORTUGUESE
SPEAKERS IDENTIFIED DNSSEC, IPV6, AND IDNS AS THE GREATEST CHALLENGES AHEAD.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] THE SPANISH-SPEAKING COMMUNITY ALSO IDENTIFIED AND
DIFFERENTIATED TWO TYPES OF STRATEGIES, ONE ABOUT REGIONALIZATION AND THE
OTHER, INTERNATIONALIZATION.

ON REGIONALIZATION, THE SPANISH/PORTUGUESE-SPEAKING COMMUNITIES SUGGESTED TO
DEDICATE TIME AND RESOURCES TO DEVELOP REGIONAL INITIATIVES RELATED WITH THE
GAC, CCNSO, AND AT LARGE.

MOSTLY DEALING WITH INCREASING PARTICIPATION.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] ON THE INTERNATIONALIZATION STRATEGY, THE COMMUNITY HAS
PLACED A STRONG EMPHASIS ON THE NEED TO SOLVE LANGUAGE BARRIERS.

AND THEY HAVE NOTED THE NEED FOR TRANSLATION AND INTERPRETATION OF MAIN
DOCUMENTS AND DURING THE MOST IMPORTANT MEETINGS.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] THE POLITICAL CATEGORY PARTICIPANTS OF THE CONSULTATIONS
EXPRESSED A DESIRE TO SEE ICANN OUTSIDE THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENTS.

[ SPEAKING SPANISH ] WHAT I SAID IS THAT IT FEELS REALLY GOOD TO ADDRESS THIS
FORUM IN SPANISH.

THANK YOU.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ANNE RACHEL INNE: BONJOUR.

[ SPEAKING FRENCH ] I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE POINTS THAT WE DISCUSSED IN
THE FRENCH SESSION.

AND WHAT I JUST SAID ALSO IS THAT WE WILL BE LOOKING FOR THE COMMUNITY TO
CONTINUE SENDING US INPUT ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN AS THEY ARE WISH, ONLINE OR
BY E-MAIL.

SO WE HAD 26 REPRESENTATIVES FROM FRENCH-SPEAKING COUNTRIES, WHICH IS REALLY
VERY GOOD.

THE MAIN THEMES THAT CAME OUT OF THE SESSION WERE SECURITY OF THE NETWORK,
BUT ALSO NETWORKS, IDNS, OF COURSE, WHICH ARE VERY IMPORTANT FOR, YOU KNOW,
THE AFRICAN REGION, FOR EXAMPLE, BUT ALSO MULTILINGUALIZATION.

SO I DIDN'T PUT CERTAIN THINGS THAT CAME BACK, BUT I WILL PUT THEM BACK IN
(INAUDIBLE) THE PAPER THAT WILL GO TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, BECAUSE HERE IT'S
JUST GOING TO BE TOO MUCH IF I WAS TO ADD EVERYTHING THAT PEOPLE SAID.

PARTICIPATION AND TRANSLATION ARE VERY IMPORTANT, OF THE DOCUMENTS.

PEOPLE SAID THE MAIN DOCUMENTS, AT LEAST, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN REALLY
KNOW WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ICANN AND WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE IN THE
PROCESSES THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO BASE THEIR COMMENTS ON.

REGIONALIZATION OF ICANN AND ITS FUNCTIONS CAME OUT AS ONE OF THE MAIN
THINGS.

ALSO PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR THE DEVELOPING COUNTRIES FUND SO THAT
PARTICIPATION, YOU KNOW, CAN BE INCREASED, BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN THEN BE HELPED
TO COME TO ICANN MEETINGS.

PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT PARALLEL ROOTS OR ALTERNATE ROOTS, AS WE CALL THEM.

THEY ALSO ASKED FOR MANAGEMENT OF THE DNS TO STOP BEING POLITICIZED, BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, IF NOT, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET -- WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE END OF
IT.

USE AND ADOPTION OF IPV6 IN ALL REGIONS, AND ESPECIALLY IN THEIR OWN REGIONS,
IS AN ISSUE FOR THEM, BECAUSE THEY DO THINK THAT FOR CERTAIN REGIONS, FOR
EXAMPLE, THAT THEY STILL DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION ON THAT.

CAPACITY-BUILDING, ESPECIALLY ON TECHNICAL ASPECTS, IS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE
ASKED FOR.

IMPLICATION OF THE BOARD IN OUTREACH.

SOME PEOPLE SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE BOARD MEMBERS MAYBE
HAVING BLOGS OR, YOU KNOW, SYNTHESIZING WHAT IS GOING ON AT ICANN SO THAT
THAT CAN GIVE THEM AN IDEA ON HOW TO RESPOND AND GIVE INPUT.

AND TALKING ABOUT THE FUTURE OF ICANN ALSO, PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY WOULD LOVE
TO SEE MAYBE SOMETHING LIKE COUNTRY AGREEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, SUPERVISION
MAYBE BY THE GAC OR, YOU KNOW, SOME OTHER INTERNATIONAL MECHANISM WE CAN GET.

MORE POWER TO THE USERS.

THIS WAS FROM -- ON ALAC FRONT.

AND, OF COURSE, DIVERSITY OF STAFF.

[ SPEAKING FRENCH ]
[ APPLAUSE ]
>>KURT PRITZ: FEELING WHAT INADEQUATE, KURT RETURNS TO THE MICROPHONE.

I WOULD BRIEFLY LIKE TO REVIEW WITH YOU THE FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM THE
ENGLISH-LANGUAGE SESSIONS.

THE FIRST WAS TO PLAN FOR RAPID GROWTH IN USERS AND DEVICES AND HOW SECURITY
AND STABILITY WOULD BE MAINTAINED IN THE FACE OF GROWTH, THE IMPLEMENTATION
OF IDNS AND THE ISSUES FOR DEVELOPING COUNTRIES.

THERE'S A SUGGESTION MADE THAT ICANN CONSIDER REGIONALIZING OPERATIONS TO
BETTER SERVE STAKEHOLDERS LOCALLY AND FACILITATE A MORE INTERNATIONAL STAFF.

I THINK WE SAW AN EXCELLENT INTRODUCTION TO THAT HERE.

AND CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON IMPROVEMENTS IN IANA OPERATIONS, WHICH I THINK WE
DEMONSTRATED WE ARE ON AN EXCELLENT PATH HERE.

BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON IT.

WE SHOULD ALSO PLAN FOR CHALLENGES OF CONVERGENCE IN TECHNOLOGY IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THERE AND WHICH GROUPS NEED TO BE MADE -- BE BROUGHT
INTO THE ICANN PROCESS IN ORDER TO GAIN OR GARNER THE EXPERTISE AND SKILLS
REQUIRED TO FACE THOSE CHALLENGES.

CERTAINLY NEED TO -- IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED AND IT'S PLAIN -- TO DEVELOP A NOW
UNIFIED COMMUNICATIONS STRATEGY, IMPROVING ICANN'S WEB SITE, THAT WILL ENABLE
US TO COMMUNICATE TO A BROADER AUDIENCE.

WE ARE ALSO -- IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED TO IMPROVE WAYS OF DEALING WITH ISSUES
THAT INVOLVE MULTIPLE SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS, HOW DO WE DO POLICY
DEVELOPMENT FOR IDNS, THAT CERTAINLY TOUCH THE MEMBERS, THE MEMBER
ORGANIZATIONS OF THE GNSO, THE CCNSO, THE GAC, AND TECHNICAL ADVISORY
COMMITTEES ALSO.

AND BUILDING THE SKILLS AND OBTAINING THE TALENTS NECESSARY TO STRENGTHEN THE
CAPABILITY OF THE SOS AND ADVISORY ORGANIZATIONS.

SO THOSE WERE THE COMMENTS RECEIVED IN THESE INITIAL CONSULTATIONS.

THE CONSULTATION PROCESS WILL CONTINUE.

THERE WILL BE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FORMULATION OF ICANN'S
STRATEGIC PLAN.

ONCE AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE REGIONAL LIAISON STAFF FOR THEIR
PROFESSIONALISM, NOT ONLY FOR THE QUALITY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT THEY MADE
HERE, BUT ALSO FOR THE WAY THEY CONDUCTED THE SESSIONS THEMSELVES WAS JUST
OUTSTANDING.

SO THANKS VERY MUCH.

AND THANKS TO YOU GUYS.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>KURT PRITZ: MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT WAS QUITE A TOUR DE FORCE.

IT'S NICE TO DISCOVER WE HAVE MULTILINGUAL CAPABLE AT LEAST IN THE STAFF EVEN
IF WE HAVEN'T GOT IT FULLY IMPLEMENTED IN THE INTERNET YET.

I'VE BEEN ASKED TO MAKE SOME TIME FOR A SPECIAL PRESENTATION.

THIS IS ON BEHALF OF KEITH DAVIDSON, WHO IS A VERY GOOD FRIEND OF PETER
DENGATE THRUSH, WHOM YOU KNOW IS BACK IN WELLINGTON DEALING WITH THE TRAGIC
LOSS OF FOUR MEMBERS -- THREE MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY AND ONE CLOSE FRIEND.

MARILYN, ARE YOU -- ARE YOU ASSISTING OR IS THIS ALL AUTOMATIC?

>>MARILYN CADE: (INAUDIBLE).

>>VINT CERF: I'M SORRY.

WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.

IF YOU'RE NOT READY, YOU CAN --

>>MARILYN CADE: THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

THEY'RE SENDING ME A POWERPOINT, AND WE'RE NEGOTIATING GETTING IT HERE RIGHT
NOW.

SO GIVE ME ANOTHER FEW MINUTES.

>>VINT CERF: I'LL -- IN THAT CASE, WHAT I WILL DO IS ENTERTAIN SOME QUESTIONS
FROM THE BOARD OR THE FLOOR ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN PRESENTATIONS.

I RECOGNIZE KHALED FATTAL.

>>KHALED FATTAL: THANK YOU, VINT.

MAYBE LOOKING AT THE POSITIVES, I WOULD LIKE TO -- I WANTED TO START IN
ARABIC FOR THE -- AT LEAST FOR RECOGNITION OF THE ADVANCEMENT THAT WE HAVE
MADE IN REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND RESPONDING TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO AT LEAST THERE'S SOME POSITIVE ELEMENTS.

AND I THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.

I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO CONGRATULATE THE EFFORT, THOUGH WE THINK IT COULD BE
EVEN DONE BETTER, AS WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY.

I THINK IT'S A STEP FORWARD.

THE OUTREACH MECHANISM IS SIGNIFICANT, AND IT'S SIGNIFICANT TO BE PREPARED
WELL SO THAT IT CAN GATHER AS MUCH INPUT, SO THAT THE INPUT HAS GREATER
SIGNIFICANCE.

I THINK HAD WE HAD A BIT MORE TIME, INSTEAD OF HAVING PERHAPS THE
REPRESENTATION FROM THE ARABIC, FOR EXAMPLE, BEING, LET'S SAY, FROM FOUR
COUNTRIES OR FOUR COMMUNITIES, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE HAD TEN OR 15.

SO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WHEN THERE'S A NEED FOR HELP, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO
HELP.

BUT, AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS FOR THE FACT THAT THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF REACHING
OUT IN THE MULTILINGUAL ARE STARTING TO (INAUDIBLE).

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KHALED.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN PRESENTATIONS?

VITTORIO BERTOLA.

>>VITTORIO BERTOLA: I HAVE A PROCEDURAL QUESTION, BECAUSE I HAVE TO GIVE A
STATEMENT ON THE PRESIDENT'S STRATEGY COMMITTEE AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS
IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE IN THE AGENDA.

BECAUSE THIS IS -- THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME CONFUSION BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT
ROLES OF ALL OF THESE STRATEGY THINGS.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE PLACE OR NOT.

>>VINT CERF: I WILL ENTERTAIN A PRESENTATION NOW ON STRATEGY IN GENERAL.

SO YOU CAN MAKE YOUR STATEMENT NOW, IF YOU LIKE.

>>VITTORIO BERTOLA: OKAY.

AS YOU LIKE.

THIS IS A STATEMENT I'M READING NOW ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE COMMITTEE.

THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE APPRECIATES THE DIALOGUE WHICH HAS BEEN
RECENTLY ESTABLISHED WITH THE ICANN MANAGEMENT ABOUT THE CONTINUING ISSUE OF
THE PRESIDENT'S STRATEGY COMMITTEE.

HOWEVER, WE REITERATE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE CREATION AND ACTIVITY OF THIS
COMMITTEE.

IN WELLINGTON, AFTER THE SUDDEN ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE NEW
COMMITTEE, MANY MEMBERS OF THE ICANN COMMUNITY PUBLICLY OBJECTED AND
REQUESTED CLARIFICATIONS ON THE ROLE AND MEMBERSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE.

AT THE PUBLIC FORUM, REASSURANCE WAS GIVEN BOTH BY THE CHAIRMAN AND CEO OF
ICANN THAT THIS WOULD ONLY BE AN ADDITIONAL SOURCE OF CONSULTATION, THAT IT
WOULD NOT TAKE THE LEAD IN ANY STRATEGIC PROCESS, THAT ITS MEMBERSHIP WOULD
BE PROMPTLY EXPANDED, AND THAT THE COMMUNITY JUST NEEDED TO HAVE TRUST IN ITS
PROMOTERS.

HERE IN MARRAKECH, WE DISCOVERED THAT THIS COMMITTEE HAD INDEED BEEN GIVEN A
RELEVANT ROLE IN AFFAIRS PERTAINING TO THE INTERNET GOVERNANCE FORUM AND TO
THE EVOLUTION OF ICANN'S STRUCTURE AND ARRANGEMENTS WITH GOVERNMENTS.

ALSO, DUE TO LACK OF TRANSPARENCY IN PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, WE ARE NOT AWARE
OF WHAT THAT ROLE EXACTLY IS.

ALSO, THE ISSUE OF THE MEMBERSHIP OF THIS COMMITTEE HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED,
AS IT STILL LACKS GENDER, CULTURAL, LINGUISTIC, AND GEOGRAPHICAL DIVERSITY.

NOR IS IT CLEAR WHY SOME ICANN CONSTITUENCIES ARE REPRESENTED ON IT, BUT NOT
OTHERS.

IT IS CLEARLY NOT OPERATING UNDER THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE OF
CONSTITUENCY-BASED, BOTTOM-UP, OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS THAT THE ICANN
COMMUNITY HAS BEEN EXERCISING FOR MANY YEARS.

REFORMS TO THE ICANN STRUCTURE ARE ABOUT TO BE UNDERTAKEN WITH SPECIFIC
REGARD TO THE ROLE OF GOVERNMENTS, THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, AND THE BALANCE OF POWER BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT
CONSTITUENCIES.

THIS PROCESS IS APPARENTLY HAPPENING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, THROUGH THE USE OF
PRIVATE CONSULTATIONS AMONG A FEW ACTORS, BETRAYING THE ORIGINAL SPIRIT OF
THE INTERNET AND OF ICANN ITSELF.

AS STATED MANY TIMES IN THE PAST, WE (INAUDIBLE) EXPECT THIS PROCESS TO
HAPPEN IN AN OPEN AND TRANSPARENT MANNER.

THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE URGES THE BOARD TO EXERT ITS INSTITUTIONAL
ROLE OF CONTROL TO PREVENT THE CREATION OF NEW POLITICAL COMMITTEES THAT ARE
NOT FORESEEN BY THE BYLAWS, DO NOT HAVE CLEARLY DEFINED MISSIONS, RIGHTS, AND
DUTIES, EXCLUDE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND
SIGNIFICANTLY ALTER THE INSTITUTIONAL DESIGN AND THE POLITICAL PROCESSES OF
ICANN.

IN THIS LIGHT, WE WELCOME THE PLEDGES THAT WE RECEIVED BY THE CEO TO FIX THIS
COMMITTEE AND MAKE IT TRANSPARENT AND INCLUSIVE.

AT THE SAME TIME, WE STILL THINK THAT THE PUBLIC AND FAIR ICANN REFORM
PROCESS SHOULD RATHER BE STARTED IMMEDIATELY.

WE ALSO APPRECIATE THE APPEAL FOR PARTICIPATION IN THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF
COMMERCE CONSULTATION THAT WAS MADE BY THE CEO AT THE INTERNET GOVERNANCE
WORKSHOP.

WE WOULD LIKE TO REASSURE THE BOARD THAT WE INTEND TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS
CONSULTATION TO DEFEND THE MULTISTAKEHOLDER NATURE OF ICANN AND CALL FOR A
GREATER AND MORE ADEQUATE ROLE FOR REGISTRANTS AND END USERS.

WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT THE BOARD AND MANAGEMENT WILL SUPPORT SUCH CALL IN
THEIR OWN SUBMISSIONS AND ACTIONS.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, VITTORIO.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: LET'S SEE.

SUSAN, YOU ASKED TO BE THE QUEUE.

SO LET ME TAKE YOUR QUESTION NOW.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: THANK YOU, VINT, UNLESS THERE'S DISCUSSION OF THE ALAC
STATEMENT THAT WE JUST HEARD.

>>VINT CERF: I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.

SO PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: OKAY.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS COMING REMOTELY FROM PEOPLE ONLINE HAVING TO DO
WITH THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS.

THE FIRST QUESTION IS, HOW IS IT -- HOW CAN PEOPLE PARTICIPATE IN THE
STRATEGIC PROCESS OF PLANNING REMOTELY, IF THEY ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE AT ONE
OF THESE MEETINGS, WHAT FACILITIES HAVE WE SET UP.

AND THE SECOND IS, CAN THE PUBLIC SEE THE INPUT INTO THE STRATEGIC PLANNING
PROCESS AND COMPARE IT TO THE OUTPUT?

THANK YOU, VINT.

>>VINT CERF: MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT REMOTE PARTICIPATION IS POSSIBLE, ALTHOUGH
THERE'S A RANGE OF WAYS THAT IT COULD BE DONE.

AND, PLAINLY, E-MAILS GOING TO AN APPROPRIATE TARGET, A GOOD QUESTION WOULD
BE, WHAT'S THE TARGET.

CERTAINLY HAVING CONTENT UP ON THE WEB PAGES.

AND, AGAIN, THE POINT IS KNOWING THAT THERE EXISTS THAT MATERIAL AND KNOWING
WHERE TO FIND IT.

LET ME ASK PAUL WHETHER THERE IS CURRENTLY IN THE PROCESS OF STRATEGIC
PLANNING BOTH THAT WHICH IS DONE IN THE PRESIDENT'S COMMITTEE AND THAT WHICH
IS DONE THROUGH KURT AND OTHERS, MECHANISMS FOR REMOTE ACCESS.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO CLARIFY A WORD THAT YOU USED
THERE, CHAIRMAN, STRATEGIC PLANNING.

IT COMES PARTLY TO THE COMMENT FROM VITTORIO.

THE STRATEGIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS NOT INVOLVED WITH STRATEGIC PLANNING.

IT ACTUALLY OFFERS ADVICE WHICH IS QUITE -- WAS QUITE CLEAR IN THE WORDING OF
THE RESOLUTION WHICH THE BOARD ESTABLISHED UP IN VANCOUVER.

THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESSES FOR ICANN ARE DONE THROUGH THE ESTABLISHED
PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE.

THEY CERTAINLY HAVE OPPORTUNITIES FOR ONLINE PARTICIPATION.

THE -- THEY HAVE BEEN POSTED, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO
RESPOND TO THEM.

I THINK ALSO, TO COME TO A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS SUSAN ASKED, THE MATERIALS,
THE INPUT MATERIALS, FROM THE SESSIONS HAVE BEEN MADE AVAILABLE ONLINE LAST
YEAR. I WOULD EXPECT THE SAME WOULD OCCUR AGAIN THIS YEAR, THAT PEOPLE COULD
ACTUALLY SEE WHAT WAS INPUTTED.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, PAUL.

I HAVE -- I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO QUESTIONS BUT THEY ARE NOT RELATED TO STRATEGIC
PLANNING AND THEY ARE FROM OTHER PEOPLE REMOTELY, SO I AM GOING TO POSTPONE
THAT.

ARE WE NOW READY FOR THE POWERPOINT MATERIAL?

OKAY.

OKAY, SO MARILYN CADE, I'LL TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER TO YOU.

>>MARILYN CADE: THANK YOU, VINT. I WOULD LIKE TO READ TO ALL OF YOU A
HEARTFELT STATEMENT FROM INTERNETNZ. INTERNETNZ IS THE INTERNET SOCIETY THAT
LIZ AND PETER WERE SO INVOLVED IN.

LET US JUST RUN THROUGH THE SLIDES FIRST AND LOOK AT THOSE, AND THEN I WILL
READ THE STATEMENT FROM INTERNETNZ.

SO THE PURPOSE OF THE FOUNDATION, WHICH WILL BE ESTABLISHED WITH SUPPORT FROM
INTERNETNZ AND THEN WITH CONTRIBUTIONS FROM OTHERS WHO LOVED AND SUPPORTED
LIZ'S CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTERNET, IS TO AWARD FUNDING GRANTS FOR USE IN
EDUCATIONAL ADVANCEMENT OF INDIVIDUALS IN INTERNET ENTREPRENEURSHIP.

THE REASON FOR THIS IS TO ASSIST IN RECOGNIZING THE PROGRESS MADE BY LIZ IN
HER LONG YEARS OF WORK IN THIS AREA, AND HER COMMITMENT TO FURTHER PROGRESS.
AND TO IMPROVE THE AWARENESS AND UNDERSTANDING OF INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES, AND
HOW TO UTILIZE THE INTERNET FOR IMPROVEMENT OF EDUCATION, ENTREPRENEURSHIP
AND ENGAGEMENT, WITH A PARTICULAR EMPHASIS ON AMELIORATING THE DIGITAL
DIVIDE.

THE PROCESS THAT IS BEING ESTABLISHED BY INTERNETNZ WILL WORK THROUGH
APPOINTING AN ADMINISTRATOR, GUIDED BY CONSULTATION FROM PETER DENGATE
THRUSH, AND INTERNETNZ, IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE NEW ZEALAND LAW FOUNDATION,
WOMEN IN TECHNOLOGY, AND PERHAPS OTHER SIMILAR ORGANIZATIONS. AND
DEVELOPMENT OF A DETAILED CRITERIA FOR THE FOUNDATION.

INTERNETNZ WILL MAKE AN INITIAL FUNDING GRANT OF $20,000 PER YEAR FOR THREE
YEARS, AND A GENERAL REQUEST FOR CONTRIBUTIONS AND DONATIONS TO THE FUND FROM
THE COMMUNITY.

GIVE ME JUST A MOMENT, AND I WANT TO READ THE STATEMENT.

THE DEVASTATING AND TRAGIC DEATHS OF LIZ DENGATE THRUSH, HER FATHER-IN-LAW,
RON THRUSH, HER BROTHER-IN-LAW, GAVIN THRUSH, AND FAMILY FRIEND HEATHER
TAYLOR OCCURRED IN A CAR ACCIDENT IN WELLINGTON ON THE 24TH OF JUNE 2006.

AS A TRIBUTE TO LIZ DENGATE THRUSH, WHO WAS AN INTERNET COUNCILLOR FOR
SEVERAL YEARS, INTERNETNZ WISHES TO ASSIST IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A
FOUNDATION AS OUTLINED IN THE POWERPOINTS WE LOOKED AT.

INTERNETNZ HAS CONSULTED WITH PETER DENGATE THRUSH AND WILL CONTINUE A
DIALOGUE TO ENSURE THE FOUNDATION EVOLVES IN LINE WITH LIZ'S PHILOSOPHIES AND
HER ENTHUSIASM FOR INTERNET TECHNOLOGIES.

THIS INFORMATION THEY WILL PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY TO ALLOW ALL OF YOU TO
JOIN IN THIS TRIBUTE.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, MARILYN.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST SEVERAL THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, THE FIRST
THING THAT PETER SAID TO ME AS WE WERE GETTING HIM OFF TO -- BACK TO
WELLINGTON WAS THAT WE HAD TO KEEP WORKING, SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN
DOING.

I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO PETER FOR HIM TO KNOW THAT YOU'RE
THINKING ABOUT HIM AND OTHERS THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY WHO ARE COPING
WITH ALL THIS. BUT WHAT I THINK HE DOESN'T NEED IS E-MAILS ASKING HIM "HOW
ARE YOU" BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS OBVIOUS.

WHAT HE DOES NEED IS HOPE THAT HE'LL SURVIVE THROUGH ALL THIS AND THAT THERE
WILL BE THINGS TO DO.

SO HE SHOULD GET E-MAILS THAT JUST SAY HI, I'M THINKING BUT.

WE'RE ALL GOING TO JUST BREAK UP HERE. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, MARILYN. YOU
STARTED IT, AND I'M SUSCEPTIBLE.

ANYHOW, I THINK WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT WE TRY TO MAKE SOMETHING
CONSTRUCTIVE OUT OF A TERRIBLE DISASTER. SO I'LL VOLUNTEER TO SEND A $5,000
CHECK TO THE FOUNDATION.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: MEANWHILE, WE'VE GOT TO GO BACK TO WORK. THAT'S WHAT PETER
WANTS US TO DO AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WE HAVE FINISHED ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS. WE HAVE A LITTLE TIME NOW FOR
OPEN MICROPHONE. AND I'M GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT YET
BE READY TO QUEUE UP TO READ TWO MESSAGES THAT HAVE COME IN ON MATTERS THAT
ARE NOT SPECIFIC TO STRATEGIC PLANNING.

THIS IS A LETTER FROM LIAM LAVERY: DEAR SIRS, I UNDERSTAND ICANN IS DEBATING
WHETHER TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC AVAILABILITY OF THE WHOIS DATABASE, AND THAT
PUBLIC OFFICIALS HAVE WEIGHED ON THIS TOPIC AT THE CURRENT MEETING IN
MOROCCO.

AS AN ATTORNEY HELPING TO CREATE A NEW INTERNET-BASED BUSINESS OVER THE LAST
YEAR, I CAN SAY THAT THE WHOIS DATABASE IS ESSENTIAL TO THE EVEN SOMEWHAT
EFFICIENT RESOLUTION OF DISPUTES ON THE INTERNET AS WELL AS, AGAIN SOMEWHAT
EFFICIENT OPERATION OF A MARKETPLACE FOR DOMAIN NAMES. ALLOWING THE PURCHASE
AND OPERATION OF DOMAIN NAMES WITHOUT PUBLIC REGISTRATION OF CONTACT
INFORMATION WOULD INVITE A SMALL NUMBER OF CYBERSQUATTERS, INFRINGERS,
HACKERS AND OTHER ILL-DOERS TO OPERATE WITH FAR MORE IMPUNITY THAN THEY EVEN
DO TODAY.

IF THERE IS A FORUM TO WHICH I CAN DIRECT FURTHER COMMENTS I WOULD LIKE TO
KNOW HOW TO DO SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LIAM LAVERY.

AND I WILL MAKE SURE HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INTERACT IN SOME WAY WITH THE
WHOIS TASK FORCE, SO I AM GOING TO ASK BRUCE TONKIN, THE CHAIRMAN OF GNSO, TO
GET IN TOUCH WITH MR. LAVERY.

THE SECOND MESSAGE WHICH IS TOO LENGTHY TO READ IN ITS ENTIRETY BUT WHICH HAS
BEEN POSTED COMES FROM THE INTERNATIONAL DOMAIN OWNERS ASSOCIATION. IT'S
SPECIFICALLY SENT BY MATT HOEKER WHO IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THIS ORGANIZATION.

HE SAYS IN PART: WE THE RECENTLY FOUNDED INTERNATIONAL DOMAIN OWNERS
ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO REMIND ICANN AND THE REGISTRIES THAT THE FOUNDATION
OF THE INTERNET IS THE MASS OF DOMAIN OWNERS, WHICH YOU REFER TO AS
REGISTRANTS.

WHEN WE REGISTER -- I'M ABSTRACTING FROM THIS LETTER SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE
TO COMPLAIN THAT I'M CENSORING MR. HOEKER. THIS LETTER IS IN ITS ENTIRETY
ON THE WEB SITE. WE JUST DON'T HAVE TIME HERE TO READ IT LITERALLY.

WHEN WE REGISTER OR RENEW A DOMAIN, WE BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PAYING FOR THE
PERPETUAL RIGHT TO RENEW THAT DOMAIN AT THE SAME PRICE EACH YEAR IN
PERPETUITY FOR AS LONG AS WE CARE TO OWN THAT DOMAIN.

NEITHER ICANN NOR THE REGISTRY NOR THE REGISTRAR HAS ANY RIGHT TO INCREASE
THAT AMOUNT EVER.

THAT'S A RATHER INTERESTING THEORY.

ADDITIONALLY, WE THE DOMAIN OWNERS DEMAND THAT REGISTRARS CEASE AND DESIST
FROM THEIR SORRY ACTIONS REGARDING DELETING OUR DOMAINS IF WE ARE A FEW WEEKS
LATE WITH THE ANNUAL PAYMENT OR CHARGING US AN EXTORTIONARY REDEMPTION FEE
FOR THE SAME REASON OR REFUSING TO PROMPTLY ALLOW US TO TRANSFER OUR DOMAINS
TO ANOTHER REGISTRAR, OR AUTOMATICALLY PUTTING A DOMAIN LOCK OR AUTO RENEW ON
ALL OF OUR DOMAINS.

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE PERSUASIVE ARGUMENTS WE MAKE AT IDOA.INFO ABOUT WHY
WE MUST NOT ALLOW ANY REGISTRY ANNUAL PRICE INCREASES.

SINCERELY, MATT HOEKER.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER MR. HOEKER HAS EVER RUN A BUSINESS THAT NEEDED TO SPEND
LESS MONEY THAN IT MADE, BUT I INVITE YOU TO READ THE ENTIRETY OF HIS LETTER
ON THE ICANN CORRESPONDENCE WEB SITE.

ALL RIGHT. I SEE MARILYN AT THE MICROPHONE. I'LL RECOGNIZE HER.

>>MARILYN CADE: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MY COMMENT RELATES TO THE
STRATEGIC PLAN, AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT.

DURING THE -- FOR A NUMBER OF LOGISTICAL REASONS, THE BUSINESS USERS AND
MYSELF WERE NOT FREE, WE HAD TIME CONFLICTS, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE ENGLISH SESSION.

WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ORGANIZE A CONSULTATION WITH KURT'S PARTICIPATION FOR
OUR CONSTITUENCY MEMBERS AND OTHER BUSINESS USERS, AND WE WILL DO THAT IN A
TIMELY MANNER.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, MARILYN. I'M SURE KURT WILL BE PLEASED TO ORGANIZE
THAT. I SEE HE IS NODDING OVER IN THE CORNER THERE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER OPEN MICROPHONE COMMENTS EITHER FROM THE BOARD OR FROM
THE FLOOR? VITTORIO BERTOLA. VITTORIO YIELDS TO WENDY.

>>WENDY SELTZER: WENDY SELTZER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANT TO, IN THIS CASE, AGREE WITH MARILYN CADE, WHICH MAYBE SURPRISING TO
SOME BUT WE HAVE MANY POINTS OF AGREEMENT, AND THAT IS THAT I WAS ANOTHER
ONE, AND MANY OF MY ALAC FELLOW MEMBERS WHO WERE HERE AND YET UNABLE TO
PARTICIPATE IN THE FACE-TO-FACE STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSIONS. I WOULD VERY
MUCH LIKE TO KNOW HOW I AND, EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC WHO ARE ONLINE AND INTERESTED MAY PARTICIPATE IN SIMILAR TYPES OF
INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION USING THE FACILITIES OF THE INTERNET.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, WENDY. SINCE WE ARE HELPING TO MAKE THE INTERNET
RUN, WE SHOULD TRY TO USE ITS FACILITIES. THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

THIS IS --

>>IZUMI AIZU: IT'S ME, NOBODY ELSE.

>>VINT CERF: IT'S IZUMI.

>>IZUMI AIZU: THANK YOU, VINT.

I'M NOT TOO SURE IF THIS IS THE RIGHT CONTEXT OR NOT, BUT ANYWAY I WILL ASK,
BECAUSE VITTORIO MADE A STATEMENT ON THE STRATEGIC -- WHICH ONE? COMMITTEE,
NOT PLANNING BUT ADVISORY. AND I WAS HOPING IF EITHER -- WELL, VINT, PAUL,
OR ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WILL HAVE ANY INSTANT REACTION TO WHAT WE SAID.
BECAUSE VITTORIO SAID IN THE PREVIOUS WELLINGTON MEETING MORE OF A PERSONAL
REACTION, HAVING HEARD ABOUT THIS FORMATION OF THE NEW COMMITTEE, THAT WE
WANT TO HAVE MORE SORT OF TRANSPARENCY AND BALANCED PARTICIPATION OR
REPRESENTATION.

AND I BELIEVE, PAUL, YOU SORT OF ASSURED THAT IN THE IGF WORKSHOP AS WELL AS
WHEN WE HAD A GOOD CONVERSATION WITH ALAC.

BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE OTHER CONSTITUENCIES AND FOR YOUR WORK ONGOING, I'D
LIKE TO REALLY -- WE'D LIKE TO REALLY HEAR WHAT YOU RESPOND TO OUR RELATIVELY
STRONG STATEMENT. THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, IZUMI.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. I'M TRYING TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE ALAC AS AN
AGENT TO HELP FORM RALOS, WHICH ARE ULTIMATELY TO BE THE SOURCE OF INPUT TO
ICANN, AND ALSO I HOPE RECIPIENTS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO THE RALOS,
THAT'S ONE FUNCTION OF ALAC. WHAT I -- AM I MISUNDERSTANDING OR ARE YOU ALSO
SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE ALAC, THE COMMITTEE, SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AS
EVERY OTHER SUPPORT ORGANIZATION AS IF THE COMMITTEE IS THE SOURCE OF INPUTS?
AND I AM CONFUSED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THAT THE INPUTS
THAT WE WOULD LOOK FOR AND THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO HAVE WOULD COME FROM
THE RALOS.

SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT IS YOU WANT.

>>IZUMI AIZU: THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY GOOD QUESTION, THAT WE ARE ALSO ASKING
OURSELVES.

FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TEN INTERIM MEMBERS FOR ABOUT THREE-PLUS YEARS.

REMEMBER, WE HAVE MANY INTERIM MEMBERS ON THE BOARD AS WELL. I DON'T THINK
THEY LASTED MORE THAN FOUR YEARS.

BUT WE ARE STILL INTERIM, AND WE ARE TASKED TO SET UP THE RALO, AS YOU SAID.

AND WE ARE ALSO HAVING ALSS ALREADY THERE IN PLACE. AS REPORTED, SOME ALSS
CAME TO MARRAKECH DESPITE A LONG TRIP, BUT NOT FULLY ENOUGH TO CONVEY ALL OF
THE VOICES OF THE USERS OF THE INTERNET USERS OF THE WORLD. WE SHOULD BE
HUMBLE.

BUT THAT DOESN'T LIMIT OURSELVES TO TRY TO SOLICIT, LISTEN, AND FORMULATE
THEIR VOICES, OUR VOICES. NO MATTER IF -- WHAT I MEAN IS WE NEED TO HAVE TO
HAVE FIRST A PERFECT CHANNEL AND THEN TO REPRESENT THAT BY ANY MEANS. WE ARE
FAR FROM THAT.

BUT IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, JUST TRY TO BUILD A MECHANISM FIRST WITHOUT
REALLY TRYING TO BRING THE VOICES, THE MECHANISM WILL NOT BE BUILT.

THAT'S SORT OF OUR CHICKEN-AND-EGG SITUATION.

MAYBE OUR MEMBERS, OTHER MEMBERS HAVE DIFFERENT SAYS, BUT THESE ARE SORT OF
THE -- ONE OF THE, PERHAPS, ANSWERS TO -- DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
VINT?

>>VINT CERF: I THINK SO. ANNETTE, DID YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT OR CAN I HAVE
A FOLLOW-UP?

THE FOLLOW-UP IS ROUGHLY AFTER THE RALO STRUCTURE IS IN PLACE AND WE HAVE
SOURCES OF INFORMATION, HOW DO YOU ENVISION THAT THAT INFORMATION WILL FLOW?
WILL THE RALOS ELECT PEOPLE WHO WILL THEN REPRESENT THEIR OR CHANNEL THEIR
INPUT TO US? IS THAT WHAT THE PLAN IS? OR ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE EXISTING
ALAC WOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE AS THE CHANNEL? OR IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE?

>>IZUMI AIZU: AS MUCH AS I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT, BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY
HEARD THE ANSWER TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, AND IT FEELS LIKE DIVERTING THE
FOCUS TO RALO AND ALAC RATHER THAN THE STRATEGIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

COULD YOU ASSURE THAT WE GET THE RESPONSE FOR THAT AS WELL?

>>VINT CERF: ABSOLUTELY.

I'M TRYING TO HELP BUILD A MODEL IN MY OWN MIND ABOUT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU ARE
EXPECTING TO HAPPEN.

>>IZUMI AIZU: THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.

TALKING ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING COMMITTEE, WHETHER WE AT ALAC REPRESENT
THE VOICES OF INDIVIDUAL USERS OR NOT OR SUBSTANTIVELY WHAT WE SAID, HOW DO
YOU PROCEED OR REACT TO, IS A DIFFERENT THING; RIGHT?

>>ANNETTE MUEHLBERG: ANNETTE MUEHLBERG, MAY I JUST CLARIFY, ONE THING --
THERE ARE TWO TASKS, MAIN TASKS WE HAVE. ONE THING IS GETTING PARTICIPANTS,
MORE INDIVIDUAL USERS INVOLVED.

THE OTHER IS GIVING ADVICE.

SO MAY I JUST QUOTE THE BYLAWS. THE ROLE OF THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
SHALL BE TO CONSIDER AND PROVIDE ADVICE ON THE ACTIVITIES OF ICANN INSOFAR AS
THEY RELATE TO THE INTERESTS OF INDIVIDUAL INTERNET USERS.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUT OF QUESTION.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU ANNETTE.

OH, THERE'S MORE.

>>ANNETTE MUEHLBERG: I JUST WANTED TO HAND OVER THE LAPTOP FOR THAT QUOTE.

>>VINT CERF: OH, I SEE. THERE'S MORE.

>>ANNETTE MUEHLBERG: BUT I REALLY THINK IT WOULD BE FAIR TO GIVE SOME ANSWER
TO WHAT VITTORIO SAID IN THE NAME OF ALAC.

SO THIS IS AN ISSUE OF TRANSPARENCY AND HOW PEOPLE CAN BE INVOLVED, AND, YOU
KNOW, I THINK WE SHOULD GET AN ANSWER TO THAT.

THANK YOU.

EXCUSE ME, MAY I ADD ON THAT, I REALLY APPRECIATE A DISCUSSION ON HOW THE
RALOS ARE GOING TO FUNCTION, BUT I THINK THAT IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE.

IT IS WORSE TO HAVE IT AS AN OLD ISSUE. THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: PAUL, YOU HAVE THE MICROPHONE.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANKS, VINT. I JUST WANTED TO REPEAT SOME OF THE POINTS THAT
I MADE IN THE MEETING WITH THE AT-LARGE COMMITTEE YESTERDAY.

SINCE THE FORMATION OF ICANN, THE BOARD HAS ACTUALLY AT TIMES TAKEN UP TO
ESTABLISH SPECIFIC COMMITTEES TO LOOK AT SPECIFIC ISSUES. THERE HAVE BEEN A
RANGE OF THESE COMMITTEES.

I HAVE TO SAY, I THINK THEY HAVE BEEN VERY USEFUL, AND THEY ARE A PART OF THE
ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE OF ICANN SINCE ITS VERY FOUNDING.

SO I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST POINT.

THE SECOND POINT IS THAT I PERSONALLY THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, THEY HAVE THIS
TILE THAT HAS EMERGED WHICH IS THE PRESIDENT'S COMMITTEE. I PERSONALLY FIND
THAT A LITTLE DAUNTING. I HAVE COMMITTEES ON ALL SORTS OF THINGS, WHICH ARE
NOT REALLY MY COMMITTEES, BUT THAT'S THE TITLE WHICH WE HAVE ADOPTED IN THE
ORGANIZATION.

TO COME TO THIS PARTICULAR COMMITTEE, I THINK WE MADE IT QUITE CLEAR IN
VANCOUVER THAT IT WAS TO BE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD HELP TO RAISE ANY
BROADER STRATEGIC ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE OF VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY AND TO THE
BOARD IN CONSIDERATION OF ICANN'S STRATEGY, BUT THAT IT WAS NOT REPLACING THE
STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESSES OF THE ORGANIZATION.

SECONDLY, AS I MADE THE POINT IN WELLINGTON, WE HAVE ALWAYS INTENDED -- THIS
COMMUNITY HAS ALWAYS INTENDED THAT ITS MEMBERSHIP SHOULD BE BROAD AND DEEP.
I MADE THIS POINT YESTERDAY WITH ALAC.

AND THE SELECTION OF PEOPLE AND LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO ATTEND, I REMEMBER
ASKING IN WELLINGTON FOR PEOPLE TO (INAUDIBLE) NAMES. I HAVE TO TELL YOU
NOBODY ACTUALLY SENT ME ANY, AT LEAST TO MY RECOLLECTION. BUT THE OPENING
AND LOOKING FOR NAMES FOR THE COMMITTEE TO CONSIDER IS AN OPEN PROCESS. WE
ARE CERTAINLY LOOKING FOR MORE WOMEN TO BE INVOLVED. WE ARE CERTAINLY
LOOKING FOR PEOPLE FROM THE SOUTH, IF I CAN USE THAT NASTY NORTHERN TERM.
COMING FROM THE SOUTH I FIND THAT A VERY STRANGE PHRASE BECAUSE I COME FROM
THE SOUTH BUT I THINK IT'S MEANT BY THE SAME THING.

BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR BROADENING, AND I MADE THAT POINT SPECIFICALLY WITH
ALAC AND I ACTUALLY ASKED FOR THEIR HELP IN HELPING NOMINATE SOME PEOPLE.

THE TASK THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS STARTED ON I THINK IS ACTUALLY VERY
RESPONSIBLE, AND IT'S RESPONSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THAT -- PARTLY
BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS UNDERTAKEN FOR
CONSULTATION.

MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE HAVE MOVED IN THE FACE OF A TIMING ISSUE TO TRY TO
START A PROCESS FOR PUBLIC CONSULTATION AND PARTICIPATION BY THE COMMUNITY ON
SOME KEY QUESTIONS AND TOPICS.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW -- IN THE LIST OF ALL POSSIBLE WORLDS, WE WOULD HAVE A
COMMITTEE FULLY FLESHED OUT.

IT WOULD COME AND TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL QUESTIONS, IT WOULD PUT IT BEFORE US.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.

BUT I THINK MANY WOULD SORT OF RECOGNIZE THAT IT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE FOR
US NOT TO HAVE SOME ORGANIZING PROCESS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE
COMMUNITY INPUT AND ENGAGEMENT, CONSIDERING THE TIMELINE THAT OUR
CONSULTATION PROCESSES THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED PARTLY BY THE US D.O.C. AND
TO HAVE SOME RESPONSE HERE.

SO I THINK A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THAT ALAC STATEMENT
ARE ACTUALLY SHARED BY THE COMMITTEE, AND IT'S COMMITTED TO DO SO.

AND I THINK IT'S BEEN A FAIRLY RESPONSIBLE ACTION, TO BE TRUTHFUL.

I CAN UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUE BEING RAISED WHEN WE TALKED THROUGH
THIS IN SOME DETAIL YESTERDAY.

BUT I DO THINK THAT THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WERE RAISED AS CONCERNS ARE
ACTUALLY THINGS THAT, AS I SEE, CLEARLY WERE ACTUALLY THE INTENT OF THE
COMMITTEE ITSELF, SO --

>>IZUMI AIZU: IF I MAY, WE DON'T REALLY INTEND TO SORT OF DISRUPT OR TO GO
AGAINST YOUR INTENTION.

WE'D LIKE TO HELP ENGAGE PARTICIPANTS AS WELL AS ASK OTHERS TO POSITIVELY
PARTICIPATE, BUT IF YOU BRING THE WEBSITE ICANN HOME PAGE, IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT TO FIND THIS COMMITTEE.

IF SOMEBODY CAN DO SO NOW, ASK HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO FIND THE MEMBERS OF
-- THE MEMBERS.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO.

THERE'S NO CONTACT PERSON THERE, UNLIKE SOME OTHER, YOU KNOW, CONSULTATION
PROCESSES.

IF IT'S IN WELLINGTON, WE WOULDN'T COMPLAIN.

BUT IT'S MORE THAN THREE MONTHS.

AND I HEARD IT'S VERY HECTIC DEADLINE, AT LEAST FOR THE NTIA THING, AND IGF
COMING IN OCTOBER.

SO WE ARE CONCERNED WHY IT'S NOT REALLY THAT TRANSPARENT COMPARED WITH THE
OTHER PROCESSES USED TO BE THERE.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: I THINK THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS REFLECTED IN MY COMMENT
BEFORE.

THE COMMITTEE HAS BEEN -- COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAVE BEEN FOCUSED UPON
ESTABLISHMENT, COORDINATION, AND TRYING TO IDENTIFY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE.

SO I TAKE YOUR POINT ON BOARD, AND OUR MEMBERS -- MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE
ARE NOT NECESSARILY, FOR THE VERY REASON, I THINK, THE BOARD THOUGHT IT WAS
VALUABLE TO HAVE THIS SORT OF A MEMBERSHIP, MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE ARE NOT
NECESSARILY -- HOW TO PUT IT -- THAT COORDINATION OF TIME FOR DISCUSSIONS OF
SOME OF THESE MEMBERS IS SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN SOMETHING OF A CHALLENGE MIGHT
BE THE BEST WAY OF PUTTING IT.

SO I THINK THERE'S -- THE POINT YOU MAKE IS A VALID ONE, BUT IT'S PARTLY
BECAUSE OF THE COMMITTEE'S OWN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT COORDINATION WHICH HAS NOT
YET FINALIZED SOME OF THOSE THINGS.

>>IZUMI AIZU: OKAY.

WE'LL SEE THE RESULT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

THE COORDINATION, SO WE CAN GET MORE PRODUCTIVELY ENGAGED.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.

>>SEBASTIAN RICCIARDI: THANK YOU, MY NAME IS --

>>PAUL TWOMEY: SORRY, JUST BEFORE YOU START THAT, CAN I JUST REINFORCE THE
IMPORTANCE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN TERMS ABOUT PUTTING -- LOOKING FOR INPUT,
AND THEN PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'LL COME OUT WITH NOTICE FOR HAVING ONLINE TOOLS
AND WHETHER OR NOT FOR THE 21ST SPECIFICALLY TO GIVE INPUT.

AND I THINK YOU'VE ALREADY HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PAUL LEVINS YESTERDAY ABOUT
FURTHER COORDINATION.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL BE KEY THERE ALSO IS LEARNING FROM THE
TOOLS THAT THE ALAC AND OTHERS USE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN UTILIZE SUCH THINGS FOR THE 21ST.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, PAUL.

THE NEXT COMMENT.

>>SEBASTIAN RICCIARDI: JUST TO ANSWER A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT YOU
MADE, AND YOU MADE THE SAME ANSWER IN OUR LAST MEETING, WE DO REALIZE THAT
ONCE THESE REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS BECOME IN PLACE, THE KIND OF INPUT WE WILL
BE ABLE TO GIVE TO THE ICANN PROCESS WILL BE DIFFERENT AND MAYBE CONSIDERED
DIFFERENT BY MANY PERSONS.

HOWEVER, RIGHT NOW, IT WILL BE UNFAIR TO SAY THAT ALL OUR STATEMENTS OR ALL
WE ARE SAYING ARE OUR OWN IDEAS, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF AT-LARGE
STRUCTURES WORKING DIFFERENT REGIONS.

AND IN THIS OPPORTUNITY, I AM SPEAKING ONLY FROM LATIN AMERICA, WHICH IS THE
REGION I AM VERY INVOLVED.

MANY OF THE ISSUES WE DISCUSSED HERE ARE BEING WIDELY DISCUSSED IN -- FOR US
IN MAILING LISTS.

SOME BOARD MEMBERS PARTICIPATE IN THESE MAILING LISTS, LATIN AMERICA, I
THINK, IS A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF IT.

AND -- THERE ARE MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE ARE IN A CONSTANT COMMUNICATION
WITH THEM.

AND, OF COURSE, WE ARE THINKING WHAT WILL BE THE BEST WAY TO LET THEM GIVE
DIRECT INPUT TO THE COMMUNITY.

BUT FOR THE TIME BEING, THIS NEEDS TO BE FRAMED, AND WE NEED A KIND OF
STRATEGY TO DO SO.

HAVING SAID SO, I HAVE ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT, THAT IS, THAT, TO MY
KNOWLEDGE, NONE OF THE INTERIM MEMBERS, THOSE TEN MEMBERS WHO WERE APPOINTED
BY THE BOARD THREE YEARS AGO, PLAN TO STAY.

OUR WORK IS INTERIM.

WE NEED TO PUT THESE THINGS IN PLACE AND THEN DO WHATEVER WE HAD TO DO.

BUT -- SO WE DON'T HAVE INTENTIONS TO CREATE THE SAME PROBLEM THAT SOME OF US
HAVE BEEN COMPLAINING BEFORE.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO IMPLY THAT IF THERE WERE AN ELECTIVE PROCESS, THAT THERE
WOULD BE ANYTHING WRONG WITH PEOPLE WHO SERVE SO LONG AND HARD ON THE ALAC
WOULD BE UNWELCOMED BY ANY MEANS.

BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW THAT THE PROCESS OF BRINGING REPRESENTATION TO
THE ICANN PROCESSES HAD A KIND OF DEMOCRATIC COMPONENT TO IT.

VITTORIO.

>>VITTORIO BERTOLA: YEAH.

IT JUST STRUCK ME THAT THERE MUST BE SOMETHING REALLY WRONG SOMEWHERE IF WE
END UP MOSTLY TALKING BY JUST OCCUPYING THE LINE OF THE OPEN MICROPHONE IN
THE PUBLIC FORUM.

SO I THINK -- I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE STARTED TO HAVE
CHANCES TO TALK WITH THE BOARD, AND PERHAPS WE HAVE TOO MANY ITEMS TO
DISCUSS, BUT WE NEVER GET TO -- MAYBE WE REACH ONE-THIRD OF THE THINGS WE
WANT TO SAY.

AND MAYBE IT'S THE SAME ON YOUR SIDE.

BUT I THINK THAT THIS MIGHT BE STARTING TO BECOME A CONVERSATION BETWEEN A
MUTE AND THE DEAF IN THE SENSE THAT WE ARE POSSIBLY SO ATTACHED TO THE ISSUE
OF THIS COMMITTEE BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME ISSUES TO DISCUSS, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE
TO DISCUSS THEM.

AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

AND SO WE THINK, OH, MAYBE THAT'S THE PLACE WHERE THEY ARE DISCUSSING ABOUT
THESE METHODS.

AND MAYBE IT'S NOT.

BUT WE DON'T KNOW.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK YOU SHOULD MAKE SOME EFFORTS, FOR EXAMPLE -- I
MEAN, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT PERHAPS THE MAJOR ISSUE THAT IS HAPPENING HERE AND
FROM HERE IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS IS THE MOU RENEWAL.

AND IT WAS NOT ON THE PUBLIC FORUM AGENDA.

OR, FOR EXAMPLE, THIS PRESIDENT'S STRATEGY COMMITTEE WAS ONE, I THINK, OF THE
FEW, MAYBE THE ONLY, BOARD COMMITTEE THAT DID NOT PRESENT A REPORT INTO THE
PUBLIC FORUM.

SO I THINK THAT THERE'S SOME MISUNDERSTANDING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, YES, I THINK THAT WE ARE GOING TO MAYBE TALK MORE WITH
YOU, PAUL, MAYBE IN PRIVATE, AND TRY TO WORK OUT THESE PROBLEMS AND KIND OF
RECONSTRUCT THE SUGGESTIONS.

SO MAYBE IF THE PRESIDENT'S STRATEGY COMMITTEE IS NOT THE PLACE WHERE OUR
PROBLEMS CAN BE DISCUSSED, MAYBE THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ONE OR WE FIND ANOTHER
PLACE.

MAYBE WE ARE JUST TARGETING THE WRONG TARGET.

THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY IS A PERSONAL STATEMENT.

I'VE BEEN SERVING ON THE INTERIM ALAC NOW FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS.

AND OFFICIALLY, MY TERM NEVER ENDS.

AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO STAY THERE FOREVER.

SO EVEN IF I AM FULLY COMMITTED TO BRING THIS PROCESS TO AN END AND I THINK
THIS COULD HAPPEN, ACTUALLY, IN A FEW MONTHS, I CONSIDER MY MANDATE IN THE
HANDS OF THE BOARD AT ANY TIME.

SO IF YOU EVER THOUGHT THAT WE ARE DOING A BAD JOB, ANYONE TO REPLACE ME, I
WILL BE HAPPY -- I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY, BUT I WOULD DO IT.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, VITTORIO.

PAUL -- I'M SORRY, ROBERTO WAS IN THE QUEUE SOMETIME AGO.

SO LET ME TAKE ROBERTO NOW.

>>ROBERTO GAETANO: YES.

I HAVE TWO SHORT COMMENTS ON TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS.

FIRST, ON THE PRESIDENT'S REPORT, JUST TO SAY THAT THERE'S -- THERE ARE ALSO
SOME POSITIVE STEPS THAT ARE BEING TAKEN.

WE HAVE TAKEN THE RECOMMENDATION OF PAUL, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY DISCUSSING IN
THE MAILING LIST THE NAMES OF SOME CANDIDATES THAT WOULD BE, FROM OUR POINT
OF VIEW, A GOOD ADDITION TO THE COMMITTEE.

SO THERE IS NOT ONLY, YOU KNOW, COMPLAINTS FROM THE MICROPHONE; THERE IS ALSO
SOME POSITIVE STEPS IN A GOOD DIRECTION.

WE ACTUALLY NEED BOTH AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

AND THERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE ARE DISCUSSING IN THE MAILING LIST RIGHT
NOW THAT IS NOT FORMAL AS THIS REQUEST.

BUT, ANYWAY, WE THINK THAT HOWEVER THIS COMMITTEE IS GOING TO BE FORMED, IT
SHOULD HAVE LINKS WITH THE DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING THE AT
LARGE.

SO THAT, I THINK, IS IN THE MODUS OPERANDI OF THE COMMITTEE.

WE THINK IT'S -- IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE STRESSED, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE
DONE ANYWAY.

BUT --

THE SECOND ASPECT THAT WAS RAISED WAS THE AT LARGE AND THE VALUE OF THE AT
LARGE AND THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE INTERNET COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT THE ALAC RIGHT NOW IS AN INTERIM
STRUCTURE THAT HAS TO TRANSITION TO A SITUATION BY WHICH THERE'S GOING TO BE
A DIRECT LINK FROM THE COMMUNITY TO THE BOARD.

HOWEVER, IT IS TRUE THAT OUR MISSION IS MAINLY IN THIS INTERIM PHASE TO DO
OUTREACH AND GET THE USER COMMUNITY INVOLVED.

BUT IN ORDER TO DO THIS, WE HAVE TO GIVE CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF WHAT CAN BE
ACHIEVED BY DIRECT INPUT OF THE INTERNET COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT IT -- OUR ROLE WILL BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT IF AT THE SAME
TIME WE DID NOT SUPPORT THE OUTREACH EFFORT WITH POSITIONS ON THE DIFFERENT
ISSUES, POLICY DOCUMENTS, AND SO ON, JUST TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE TO THE INTERNET
COMMUNITY OF WHAT ARE THE ISSUES AND WHAT ARE THE DOCUMENTS AND WHAT IS THE
CONTRIBUTION THAT WE EXPECT FROM THE INTERNET COMMUNITY.

SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT THE THEORY AND PRACTICE.

AND WE HAVE THIS INTERIM BOOTSTRAP PHASE THAT HAS LASTED FOR MUCH LONGER THAN
AT LEAST WHAT I PERSONALLY EXPECTED BUT THAT IS NEEDED.

AND I THINK THAT WHAT WE EXPECT IS, FROM THE BOARD, THAT THE CONTRIBUTION OF
THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS NOT DISCOUNTED AS BEING ONLY THE
PRODUCTION OF A GROUP OF 15 OR 16 PEOPLE, BECAUSE IN THIS WAY, WE WILL BE
SHOOTING -- WE, THE INTERNET COMMUNITY AT LARGE IN THE LARGE SENSE, WILL BE
SHOOTING OURSELVES IN THE FOOT, BECAUSE THE -- WE WOULD GIVE KIND OF AN
EXAMPLE TO THE INTERNET COMMUNITY THAT WHATEVER THE CONTRIBUTION IS IS GOING
TO BE DISCOUNTED.

AND YOU WERE MENTIONING ALSO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AT A REGIME WHEN THE
AT-LARGE STRUCTURES ARE GOING TO BE MANY MORE THAN NOW, WHEN THE RALOS ARE
GOING TO BE FORMED, AND SO ON.

I THINK THAT IT WILL BE WRONG, IN MY OPINION, TO EXPECT THE AT LARGE ONLY TO
BE A TRANSMISSION OF THE USER COMMUNITY'S IDEAS TO THE BOARD, WITHOUT AN
ATTEMPT TO EXTRACT A POLITICAL MESSAGE OR TO GIVE -- TO BUILD A CONSENSUS.

IF I CAN MAKE A PARALLEL WITH THE GOVERNMENTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WE HAVE
DIFFERENT GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND
THAT ARE ALSO SENDING MESSAGES TO THE BOARD.

AND I THINK THAT THE BIG BENEFIT THAT THE BOARD HAS FROM THE GOVERNMENT
ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS THAT SOME ISSUES ARE DEBATED IN THE GOVERNMENT ADVISORY
COMMITTEE AND THAT WE HAVE A COMMUNIQUE AT THE END THAT CAN BE CLAIMED FROM
THE BOARD TO BE THE OPINION OF THE GOVERNMENTS AND CAN BE OF MUCH BETTER USE
TO THE BOARD THAN INDIVIDUAL GOVERNMENTS ADDRESSING THE BOARD.

AND I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SAME FOR THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE, THAT WE GET THE INPUT, BUT WE TRY TO DO AN ADDED VALUE TO THIS
INPUT IN TRYING TO MAKE SOME CONSENSUS DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE MUCH
HELPFUL THAN INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTION.

OF COURSE, THEN WE HAVE THE OPEN QUESTION OF ONCE THIS STRUCTURE IS IN PLACE
AND ONCE THE VOICE OF THE INTERNET USERS IS GOING TO TAKE WEIGHT, HOW TO
CONCRETIZE THIS WEIGHT ALSO IN TERMS OF VOTING AND DECISIONAL POWER, AND NOT
TO LEAVE THAT ONLY IN TERMS OF ADVISORY TERMS.

BUT THAT IS ANOTHER DEBATE, I THINK.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ROBERTO.

KHALED.

>>KHALED FATTAL: THANK YOU, VINT.

DRAWING ON THE POINTS THAT VITTORIO AND IZUMI MADE EARLIER ON, REACHING A --
THE POINT OF THE MATTER ITSELF IS THE ISSUE OF TRANSPARENCY.

AND SPEAKING NOT ONLY AS CHAIRMAN OF MINC, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, AS A MEMBER
OF THE IDN COMMITTEE ON IDNS, PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON IDNS, AND
RELATING THAT FUNCTION OF IDN IN THE GENERAL PERSPECTIVE OF THAT BEING LINKED
TO THE INTERNATIONALIZATION OF THE INTERNET, THE WSIS, THE IGF, ET CETERA, ET
CETERA, I THINK WHAT WOULD BE QUITE VALUABLE IN ESTABLISHING TRANSPARENCY IS
THAT DISCUSSIONS OR EVENTS NOT ONLY BY WHO IS ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT AT LEAST
SO THAT THE OUTREACH IS KNOWN TO WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED AND WHAT IS BEING
ADDRESSED, SO IT REACHES NOT ONLY THE DECISION-MAKERS AND HELP THE PROCESS OF
ICANN, BUT AT LEAST MAKING THE PROCESS LOOK MORE TRANSPARENT.

AND I THINK THERE COULD BE SOME PARALLEL ISSUES DRAWN ON -- THAT THE GREATER
TRANSPARENCY WILL ADD GREATER VALUE TO THE ADVANCEMENT OF WHAT WE'RE ALL
TRYING TO DO, WHETHER IT'S ON THE STRATEGIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE, WHETHER ON
IDN, WHICH RELATES TO WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO THE INTERNET ON AN
INTERNATIONAL BASIS.

SO I THINK WE CANNOT STRESS THIS MORE HIGHLY.

AND IF RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO DO IT BETTER ARE REQUESTED, WE'LL BE MORE
THAN HAPPY TO GIVE RECOMMENDATIONS.

ONE OF THEM PROBABLY IS AT LEAST JUST LIKE MAYBE WHAT YOU ARE DOING HERE IN A
PUBLIC FORUM OF WHAT THE BOARD IS DEBATING IS THESE COMMITTEES TO DO THAT SO
THAT PEOPLE CAN FIELD QUESTIONS AND AT LEAST SHOW THAT THE PROCESS IS
TRANSPARENT, OR PERHAPS MORE TRANSPARENT.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, KHALED.

IZUMI.

>>IZUMI AIZU: THANK YOU, VINT.

SINCE, VINT, YOU BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION OF DEMOCRACY ABOUT OUR PROCESS OR
THE AT-LARGE PROCESS, I COULDN'T HELP BUT RESPOND, TOO.

I'VE BEEN DOING THIS AT-LARGE STUFF SINCE 1998 WITH (SAYING NAME) MY
COLLEAGUE ON THE MEMBERSHIP ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AND I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR THE ALAC FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS OR THREE AND A
HALF YEARS TO FOUR YEARS.

AND STILL WE ARE INTERIM.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT THAT HOW MUCH REPRESENTATIVE ARE WE RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU READ THE BYLAWS, THE CRITERIA TO SET UP REGIONAL AT-LARGE
ORGANIZATION, OR RALO, IS, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN THREE ALSS,
AT-LARGE-STRUCTURES, CERTIFIED, FROM MORE THAN TWO COUNTRIES.

MOST OF THE FIVE REGIONS, EXCEPT -- NO, EVEN THE NORTH AMERICA, I THINK WE
HAVE MORE THAN THREE ALSS FROM MORE THAN TWO COUNTRIES.

WE HAVE FULFILLED THE MINIMAL CRITERIA IN THE ASIA-PACIFIC ABOUT TWO YEARS
AGO OR THREE.

WE HAD A SERIOUS DISCUSSION WITHIN THE REGION WHETHER THIS IS APPROPRIATE TO
GO FROM RALO OR NOT.

OUR CONSENSUS WAS, NO, WE ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE ENOUGH OR BROAD ENOUGH TO
REACH.

SO WE DECIDED TO CONTINUE OUR OUTREACH, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE FULFILLED THE
SO-CALLED MINIMAL CRITERIA.

WE THOUGHT MINIMAL IS NOT OPTIMAL.

HOW LONG SHOULD WE DO?

WHAT'S THE OPTIMAL CRITERIA?

THE TIMELINE OR NUMBER NOBODY GAVE US.

WE'VE BEEN QUESTIONING OURSELVES, FIGHTING EACH OTHER, OFTEN, AND STILL WE
ARE HERE.

I THINK I ASKED THE BOARD TO CONSIDER SOME REVIEW WHICH IS IN THE BYLAWS OF
ICANN, A PERIODIC REVIEW OF ALL THE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS AND
ADVISORY COMMITTEES, IF FEASIBLE, IN, SAY, THREE-YEAR PERIOD, SHOULD BE DONE.

SO WE -- I DON'T WANT VITTORIO TO BE SCREENED BY THE BOARD WHETHER HE DID HIS
JOB OR NOT.

WE'D LIKE THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER TO EVALUATE HOW AT
LARGE WORKED AFTER THREE YEARS AS A, YOU KNOW, CONSENSUS.

IS THE FRAMEWORK RIGHT?

IS THE PERFORMANCE ON THE RIGHT TRACK OR NOT?

HAVE SOME MORE OBJECTIVES OR BROAD EVALUATION RATHER THAN SORT OF AN AD HOC
AND SORT OF RESPONSES OF SOME, YOU KNOW, CORNERED, SOME NARROW ACTIVITIES
THAT WE DO, THEN WE ARE VERY HAPPY TO BE EVALUATED, EITHER REAPPOINTED OR
DISSOLVED OR WHATEVER.

BUT WITHOUT HAVING KIND OF THAT FRAMEWORK MUTUALLY AGREED, IT'S VERY
DIFFICULT TO CONTINUE THIS KIND OF DIALOGUE.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, IZUMI.

BRANDON, I THINK, IS NEXT.

>>BRANDON SANDERS: MY NAME IS BRANDON SANDERS.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE BOARD WITH RESPECT TO THE BYLAWS IN FORMING A
RALO IN NORTH AMERICA.

THE RALO IS SUPPOSED TO FILE A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE BOARD AND
COME TO SOME SORT OF AGREEMENT.

AND I'M INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TO FORM A RALO THAT
WOULD BE ENTIRELY REPRESENTATIVE.

IT WOULD INCLUDE SOME ALSS, TO MEET THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT.

BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S CONSIDERABLE LEEWAY, GIVEN THAT THREE YEARS HAS
PASSED AND THERE'S NEW INFORMATION AND NEW WHATEVER.

I'M CURIOUS WHETHER THE BOARD WOULD BE RECEPTIVE TO SUCH A PROPOSAL FOR A
RALO THAT IS -- IT DOES INCLUDE ALSS AND IT DOES PROVIDE A MECHANISM FOR THEM
TO PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK, BUT IT ALSO INCLUDES AN INDIVIDUAL -- INDIVIDUAL
MEMBERS, BECAUSE THAT IS IN THE BYLAWS, THAT THEY CAN INCLUDE INDIVIDUAL
MEMBERS.

AND THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS ARE THE ENTITIES THAT HAVE THE VOTING
RIGHTS.

WOULD THE BOARD BE RECEPTIVE TO SUCH A PROPOSAL?

>>VINT CERF: WELL, I'M NOT READY TO GIVE UP ON THE CURRENT FORMULATION, TO BE
HONEST, BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS JUST READY TO TRIGGER ALMOST
EVERYWHERE, YES.

>>SEBASTIAN RICCIARDI: JUST TO ANSWER WHAT BRANDON ASKED, THE BYLAWS SAYS
THAT THE RALOS NEEDS TO BE FORMED BY STRUCTURES BECAUSE THE WHOLE THING HAS
BEEN THOUGHT AS A MECHANISM FOR STRUCTURED AND INFORMED PARTICIPATION. THAT
DOESN'T PREVENT THESE ORGANIZATIONS, THE RALOS, TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS
ONCE THEY ARE FORMED. SO THEY ARE NOT PREVENTING INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS FROM
PARTICIPATING. ALTHOUGH I DO RECOGNIZE THAT ONLY INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS COULDN'T
FORM ONE OF THESE STRUCTURES, BUT THE STRUCTURE DOES NOT PREVENT INDIVIDUAL
MEMBERS FROM PARTICIPATION.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

BERNIE TURCOTTE.

>>BERNARD TURCOTTE: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PUBLISHING THE MINUTES. I'D
APPRECIATE THAT.

JUST AN OBSERVATION FOR THE BOARD MEETINGS AS WE TRY TO MAKE THESE GATHERINGS
MORE EFFICIENT.

YOU AND I RUN A FEW OF THESE THINGS, TOO.

THE READING OF THE REPORTS IS NICE, BUT I'M NOT SURE THE MOST EFFICIENT USE
OF THE TIME OF PEOPLE HERE.

MAYBE IT WOULD BE MORE USEFUL FOR EVERYONE IF THERE WERE A SET OF REPORTS
AVAILABLE BEFOREHAND, WHICH SOME PEOPLE CAN CONSULT AND ACTUALLY BUILD SOME
OPINIONS ABOUT AND BE ABLE TO DO OR ASK THEMSELVES SOME QUESTIONS A LITTLE
BIT BEFORE.

ADDITIONALLY, I THINK IT MIGHT BE VERY GOOD IF THERE WAS SOME MECHANISM
WHEREBY THE INTERACTION OF THE COMMUNITY WITH THE BOARD, WHERE WE CAN MAYBE
GET SOME ITEMS ON THE AGENDA WHICH MIGHT BE A NICE WARNING SIGNAL FOR YOU OF
WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE COMING UP WITH, AND EVERYONE CAN BE BETTER PREPARED FOR
IT.

FINALLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY NICE, INSTEAD OF US COMING HERE AND
HAVING ALL OUR MEETINGS AND SHOWING UP AT THE END AND THEN HEARING WHAT'S
BEEN GOING ON, IF MAYBE WE CAN CHANGE THE STRUCTURE A BIT IN THAT MAYBE WE
CAN HEAR WHAT THE BOARD IS THINKING ON THE FIRST DAY OF THESE MEETINGS. THEN
WE CAN GO BACK TO OUR SOS OR OUR GROUPS OR WHATEVER WITH THE CHANCE OF HAVING
HEARD WHERE THE BOARD IS AT ON VARIOUS TOPICS AND WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND, AND
MAYBE TASKING US INTO LOOKING AT WHAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO GET OUT OF A MEETING
BEFORE THE END, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET BACK TOGETHER AT THE END OF THE
MEETING AND SORT OF HAVE A DEBRIEF.

ANYWAY, THESE ARE JUST SUGGESTIONS.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, BERNIE.

THANK YOU FOR THOSE SUGGESTIONS, BY THE WAY. IT'S ALWAYS APPRECIATED TO HAVE
SOMETHING CONCRETE TO WORK ON.

I HOPE YOU NOTICE THAT WE DID ELIMINATE HALF A DOZEN REPORTS FROM BEING READ.
THEY ARE POSTED. PERHAPS, IF I AM INTERPRETING YOUR COMMENT CORRECTLY, YOU
WOULD LIKE ALL OF THEM TO BE POSTED AHEAD OF TIME AND THEN NOT -- NOW, YOU
RECOGNIZE THAT SOME OF THEM CAN'T EASILY BE POSTED VERY MUCH AHEAD OF TIME
BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE THE RESULTS OF THE MEETINGS THAT TAKE PLACE HERE ON
THE SPOT.

SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, FOR THOSE CASES ARE YOU ALSO SAYING JUST POST
THEM, OR ARE YOU --

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I CAN TAKE THAT POINT, BERNIE, IF THAT'S OKAY.

>>VINT CERF: SO YOU NOW HAVE A MOUTHPIECE IN THE FORM OF CHRIS DISSPAIN.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU, VINT. AS BERNIE HAS RAISED IT, PERHAPS I CAN
TAKE IT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BECAUSE WHAT I INTEND WHEN I SAY WE, I'M SAYING
NOT A SPECIFIC ORGANIZATION. AND PRESUMABLY THE RIGHT PLACE IS A MEETINGS
COMMITTEE, A SUGGESTION FOR SOME SLIGHT RESTRUCTURING ALONG THE LINES OF
BERNIE'S SUGGESTION.

AND THE WAY IT WOULD WORK IS THAT THE CC REPORT, THE G REPORT, ALL THOSE
REPORTS WOULD ACTUALLY BE PRESENTED AT THE SECOND HALF OF THE PUBLIC FORUM AT
THE END AS THEY CURRENTLY ARE NOW. THE STAFF REPORTS WOULD BE PRESENTED AT
THE BEGINNING, WHETHER THEY ARE PRESENTED IN PERSON OR IN WRITING, IT DOESN'T
MUCH MATTER FOR NOW, AND THAT MEANS THAT IN THE MIDDLE, THE CONSTITUENCIES
WOULD BE ABLE TO MEET, TALK ABOUT WHATEVER THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT INCLUDING
THE REPORTS OF THE STAFF.

IT ALSO MEANS THAT THE STAFF DO NOT HAVE TO GO FROM MEETING TO MEETING TO
MEETING TO DELIVER THE SAME REPORT.

SO PAUL DOES NOT HAVE TO COME TO THE CC MEETING AND TO THE EVERYONE ELSE'S
MEETING AND SAY THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

IF IT WAS ALL DONE AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN WE SPLIT UP AND CAME BACK
TOGETHER AGAIN AT THE END, THAT SEEMS TO US TO BE A SENSIBLE WAY OF MOVING
FORWARD WITH IT.

AND I THINK YOU MIGHT FIND THAT THE PUBLIC FORUM MIGHT BE AS BUSY IF NOT
BUSIER GIVEN THAT WE WOULD HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO CONSIDER ALL OF THE THINGS.

AND IF I CAN JUST TAKE A REALLY SPECIFIC EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT GOES TO CULTURAL
DIVERSITY AND ALL CULTURE GENERALLY. IT APPLIES IN ALL CONSTITUENCIES, BUT
IN THE CCNSO, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO INDIVIDUALLY WOULD NOT BE
PREPARED TO STAND AT THIS MICROPHONE AND TO TALK TO YOU RIGHT NOW.

IF WE HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY IN OUR OWN ROOM TO DISCUSS IT AND TO TEASE OUT
THE ISSUES, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BE MORE PROACTIVE AND GIVE YOU MORE
INPUT.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT AS INDIVIDUALS.

>>VINT CERF: THOSE SOUND EXTREMELY CONSTRUCTIVE. VENI, I HOPE THAT YOU ARE
TAKING NOTES BECAUSE THIS SPEAKS DIRECTLY TO THE STRUCTURE AND FORMAT OF
MEETINGS. SO WE MIGHT, IF WE MOVE QUICKLY ENOUGH, TRY TO TAKE THESE INTO
ACCOUNT FOR THE SAO PAULO MEETING COMING UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR.

THANK YOU, CHRIS.

NEXT COMMENTS.

>>ANDREW MACK: THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME IS ANDREW MACK, WITH AM GLOBAL BASED
IN WASHINGTON, D.C., AND WE ARE A GROUP OF CONSULTANTS THAT SPECIALIZE IN
WORK WITH EMERGING MARKETS, SPECIFICALLY IN MY CASE, AFRICA AND LATIN
AMERICA, A LOT OF FOCUS.

THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY, IN ADDITION TO THE FACT THAT THE COMMENTS
THAT WERE JUST MADE ARE REALLY RIGHT ON, THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS
TO COMPLIMENT THE BOARD AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE IS
SO MUCH OF A FOCUS ON OUTREACH TO EMERGING MARKETS -- SO MUCH OF A FOCUS ON
EMERGING MARKETS. SORRY. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I THINK
THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF GROWTH IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.

I ALSO THINK, FRANKLY, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF ICANN'S ABILITY TO
MAINTAIN ITS MANDATE TO KEEP OUT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER GROUPS THAT
ARE -- THAT MIGHT BE POACHING ON ICANN'S MANDATE. AND I THINK THAT'S GOING
TO BE REALLY CENTRAL AS WE GO FORWARD.

I HAVE TWO WHAT I THINK ARE CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS, IF I MIGHT, BECAUSE
VINT IS LOOKING FOR CONSTRUCTIVE SUGGESTIONS.

THEY ARE A LITTLE BIT ADMINISTRATIVE, BUT NOT EXACTLY.

THE FIRST ONE IS TO AGREE TO A MEANINGFUL EXTENT WITH WHAT I THINK IT WAS
MARILYN WHO SAID YESTERDAY ABOUT AGENDAS, BOY IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE COULD
GET MORE INFORMATION EARLIER ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING.

AND I HERE SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE THERE WAS A MEETING ON THE 24TH THAT DEALT
WITH AFRICA ISSUES THAT I WOULD HAVE REALLY LOVED TO BE AT, BUT WHEN I NEEDED
TO MAKE MY RESERVATIONS A MONTH AGO, BECAUSE THAT'S A VERY BIG ISSUE FOR A
LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY COMING -- IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT COST TO GET THERE,
ANY WAY WE COULD GET A FIRMER AGENDA A MONTH OUT WOULD ALLOW MORE PEOPLE TO
PARTICIPATE, AND ESPECIALLY MORE PEOPLE, FRANKLY, FROM EMERGING MARKETS.

THE SECOND THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST IS THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS
A LITTLE BIT OF REPETITION AS WE WERE MENTIONING, I SAW MANY OF THE SAME
SLIDES OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD
TIGHTEN THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

AND I THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE MEET ALL AROUND THE WORLD
TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A FOCUS ON THE REGION IN WHICH WE ARE MEETING.

I KNOW THAT IT WASN'T NECESSARILY POSSIBLE FOR THIS TO HAVE A SPECIAL AFRICA
PROGRAM, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT IF WE ARE MEETING IN LATIN AMERICA
NEXT THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM, NOT ONE WHERE THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHER
THINGS GOING ON, BUT ONE WHICH REALLY INVOLVES THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY TO
SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT, IF THERE ARE THEM, SPECIFIC LATIN AMERICA ISSUES.

I THINK THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE
ACTUALLY MEETING IN THESE GREAT PLACES. AND THAT OFTENTIMES WHAT YOU'LL FIND
IS THAT A LOCAL REGION WILL SEND MORE PEOPLE TO THEIR LOCAL MEETINGS, AND YOU
MAY NOT SEE THOSE SAME PEOPLE AGAIN FOR A WHILE.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANDREW.

BRANDON.

>>BRANDON SANDERS: I JUST WANTED TO AFFIRM MY SUPPORT FOR ICANN'S VISION OF
BEING A MULTISTAKEHOLDER, GRASS-ROOTS, BOTTOM-UP, CONSENSUS-DRIVEN
ORGANIZATION.

I THINK THAT IS FANTASTIC, AND I APPRECIATE THE MOTIVATIONS AND INTEGRITY OF
SO MANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS HERE.

AND IN THE SPIRIT OF EXPERIMENTATION, I WOULD LIKE TO ADVERTISE TO ANY
PARTICIPANTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE THE COALESCENCE OF CONSENSUS ON HOW NEW
GTLDS ARE DECIDED TO PARTICIPATE AT WWW.ICANNWIKI.ORG/NEWTLDS AND I THINK
THAT -- THERE WE GO -- SO THIS IS COMPLETELY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.
IT'S JUST MEANT TO HELP THE COMMUNITY PROCESS AND QUICKLY MOVE TO CONSENSUS.
COALESCE IS PROBABLY A BETTER WORD.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU FOR THAT INVITATION, BRANDON.

SEBASTIEN.

>>SEBASTIEN BACHOLLET: YES, IT'S IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS SAID BY THE PREVIOUS
SPEAKER. WITH OUR COLLEAGUE OF (SAYING NAME) WE ORGANIZED A MEETING HERE 24
OF JUNE ABOUT SPECIFIC TOPIC OF AFRICA AND WITH A SPECIFIC SPEAKER FROM
AFRICA, FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, FROM DIFFERENT SUBJECT, ABOUT TECHNICAL,
ABOUT POLITICAL, ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT.

AND I THINK IT WAS A GOOD, I WILL SAY, ADDITION TO THE CURRENT TYPE OF
MEETING OF ICANN. AND WHAT I COULD SUGGEST IS THAT MAYBE WE CAN FIND A WAY
FIRST TO ANNOUNCE IT ON THE WEB SITE OF ICANN, AND SECOND, TO HAVE THIS TYPE
OF MEETING, AND WE CAN OFFER TO HELP TO ORGANIZE SUCH TYPE OF MEETING BEFORE
-- OR JUST BEFORE THE ICANN MEETING STARTS OFFICIALLY, IF IT COULD BE
INTERESTING FOR ALL THE PARTIES WILLING TO HELP FOR THAT.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, SEBASTIEN.

JUST AS A REMINDER, THE (INAUDIBLE) 2006 MEETING TOOK PLACE JUST PRIOR TO THE
GENERAL ICANN MEETINGS AND WAS FOCUSED VERY MUCH ON THE REGION, AND I THOUGHT
THAT WORKED OUT VERY WELL.

KHALED.

>>KHALED FATTAL: JUST A QUICK -- THANK YOU, VINT. JUST A QUICK NOTE TO
BRANDON'S RECOMMENDATION.

I THINK IT'S QUITE VALID, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BIT MORE QUALIFICATION ON
THIS, PERHAPS WHETHER THE SUBJECT OF NEW GTLDS WOULD BE FOR ASCII OR WHETHER
IT'S GOING TO BE FOR IDN.IDN.

AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS ANY FUTURE FEEDBACK ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER WOULD
NEED TO BE -- WE WOULD NEED TO RECOGNIZE THE SHORTCOMINGS OF THOSE WHO MAY
WANT TO GIVE INPUT THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO PUT INPUT.

SO WHILE I THINK THAT WILL BE QUITE VALUABLE FOR ASCII GTLDS, IT MIGHT BE A
BIT DIFFICULT TO GAIN THAT ACCESS BY THOSE WHO MAY WANT TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON
FUTURE GTLDS SOMEWHERE DOWN THE FUTURE FOR IDN.IDN.

>>VINT CERF: ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT IT'S ALMOST INESCAPABLE THAT ANY NEW GTLD
PROPOSAL, PROPOSAL FOR PROCESS AND CRITERION MIGHT INCORPORATE IDN INTO THE
PLAN.

I WOULD BE VERY NERVOUS ABOUT HAVING TWO SEPARATE PLANS, ONE FOR ASCII AND
ONE FOR EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IF THERE ARE DIFFICULTIES, IN YOUR VIEW, IN PURSUING THOSE THINGS
CONCURRENTLY, AS PART OF A WHOLE, WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT. I DON'T WANT TO
TAKE EVERYONE'S TIME HERE.

>>KHALED FATTAL: SURE.

>>VINT CERF: BUT I THINK FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, ANYWAY, I'VE ALWAYS BELIEVED
THAT THE NEW GTLD POLICIES AND PROCEDURES HAD TO BE -- HAD TO INCORPORATE ALL
FORMS OF TLDS, IDN INCLUDED.

SO I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE THAT UP WITH YOU OFF-LINE.

>>KHALED FATTAL: BUT THE CRUX OF THE POINT ITSELF IS THAT CONSULTATIONS OR
FEEDBACK COMING IN FROM LOCAL COMMUNITIES WHO PERHAPS DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH OR
WHOSE NATIVE LANGUAGE IS NOT --

>>VINT CERF: YEAH.

>>KHALED FATTAL: THAT'S THE POINT.

>>VINT CERF: THAT'S A SEPARATE PROBLEM WHICH I THINK WE NEED TO TACKLE IN ANY
EVENT, NOT JUST FOR IDNS BUT FOR EVERYTHING ELSE, TOO.

>>KHALED FATTAL: AT LEAST WE ARE IN AGREEMENT.

>>VINT CERF: WELL, WE ARE WAY OVER TIME, AND I THINK THE MICROPHONE LINE HAS
NOW ENDED.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? DID I MISS ANYONE?

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT EXTENDED DISCUSSION, AND I THANK THE ALAC
COMMITTEE IN PARTICULAR FOR RAISING ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ATTENDED TO.

WE WILL ADJOURN FOR NOW. YOU MAY HAVE OTHER MEETINGS TO GO TO AS OF 1:00, AS
DO I.

SO WE'LL SEE YOU LATER ON IN THE PROGRAM. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
ATTENDING THE OPEN FORUM.

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