ccNSO Council Mexico City 04 March 09 >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Good afternoon, everybody. We'll be starting in a couple of minutes of time. Gabby, do we have anyone on the phone? Hello? Is there anybody on the phone? Hello? Is there anyone in this room on the phone? Do we have Paulos on the phone? Do we have Olivier -- >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: Yes, I'm on the line. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Hello, Paulos. Lovely to hear your voice. >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: Hi, Chris. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: How are you? >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: Okay. Doing okay here. How are you? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Well, it's Day 4 so we're all tired and everyone got a cold, but apart from that... [Laughter] >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: It's midnight here. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Well, have a glass of wine and -- [Laughter] >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: We'll remember you're there. All right. We're going to start. We're missing Oscar, but hopefully he will arrive soon. Ah, Becky, how could I forget Becky? That's appalling! Hi, Becky. Welcome, everybody, to the ccNSO council meeting here in Mexico City. We have a fairly long agenda to get through, but we will do our best to be quick. The first item on our agenda is the -- actually, we should, for the sake of people watching on the Internet and you people in the room, do introductions. Here on, would you start, please? >>HIRO HOTTA: Yes. Hiro Hotta dot JP. >>PATRICK HOSEIN: Patrick Hosein from dot tt. >>ONDREJ FILIP: Ondrej Filip from dot cz. >>KEITH DRAZEK: Keith Drazek, dot us. >>LESLEY COWLEY: Lesley Cowley, Nominet, dot uk. >>DOTTY SPARKS de BLANC: Dotty Sparks de Blanc, dot vi, U.S. Virgin Islands. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Chris Disspain, dot au, Australia. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Patricio Poblete, dot cl. >>BECKY BURR: Becky Burr, NomCom member. >>YOUNG EUM LEE: Young Eum Lee, dot kr. >>JIAN ZHANG: Jian Zhang, dot cn. >>NASHWA ABDELBAKI: Nashwa Abdelbaki, Nominet also. >>VICTOR CIZA: Victor Ciza, dot bi, Burundi. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, everybody. So the first item on our agenda is the formal confirmation of approval of the minutes and actions from the council -- >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: Chris. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes, Paulos. I'm sorry, could you introduce yourself, please? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: That's Olivier Guillard here. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Oh, it's Olivier. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: That's Olivier Guillard speaking. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Olivier, you're there. Okay. So Olivier, could you introduce yourself, please? Obviously not. Paulos, can you hear me? >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: Yes. Paulos from Malawi, Africa region. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Paulos. Olivier, are you there? Okay. Well, Olivier, if you're there, I'll introduce you. Olivier Guillard from dot FR, France, and we'll move on. Item 1, confirmation of approval of the minutes and actions from the council call on the 16th of February, 2009. These have actually been approved nonetheless just a formality to confirm them. Everybody comfortable with confirming the minutes and action items? Excellent. Thank you. The second item is the election of the chair of the ccNSO council. This is something that happens every year. We elect a chair and a vice chair. The term is 12 months. I -- under the circumstances, I will pass the chair of the -- this section of the meeting to our vice chair, Patricio. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Okay. Yes. As vice chair, Oscar says it's time to elect a chair of the council for the coming year, so I'll ask for proposals about this. Ondrej. >>ONDREJ FILIP: I would like to propose Chris Disspain. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Yeah. That's really a surprise. [Laughter] >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Sorry. That's my fault. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: And we have a second here. Dotty? Are there any other candidates? >>NASHWA ABDELBAKI: I was going to second. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Oh, more seconds. Okay. So we have the motion of reelecting Chris Disspain for the coming year. I'll ask all those in favor please raise their hand. Anybody against? [Laughter] >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Abstentions? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Olivier? Paulos? >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Oh, Olivier? Paulos? Yes. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: That was Olivier, I think. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes, that was Olivier. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Paulos. >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: Yes. Hello, who are the candidates? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: No. I think it was "What is it we're doing at the moment?" >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Paulos, we are voting on the motion of reelecting Chris Disspain as chair of the council. How do you vote? >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: I support the motion. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yeah. He supports the motion. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Thank you. Well, it's unanimous, so Chris Disspain is going to be our chair for the coming year. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you very much. [Applause] >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: The second item -- sorry, the third item on the agenda -- hi, Oscar. Welcome. The third item on the agenda is the election of a ccNSO vice chair. Now, the current vice chair is Patricio. Patricio, would you like to say a few words. >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Yes. Thanks. I've been honored to be the vice chair of this council for a couple of terms, and when the date for this election approached, I -- and also taking into consideration our discussions last Sunday, I think, about how this council should work in the future, it seemed to me that one step in the direction of having a council that's sustainable in its work in the future is having a bigger involvement from the vice chair in the work -- alongside the work that Chris does. I believe that the vice chair should be much more active than what I've been able to be, and also, the -- what I could be in the future, given my other commitments, the other commitments that I have. So I think that personally I could not commit to the time and the effort that will be required for the kind of vice chair that I envision that we should have. So that's why I am -- I will not stand for reelection as vice chair. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Thank you, Patricio. So we need to elect a new vice chair, and I would also like to suggest to the council the new fact we should consider having two vice chairs. I think this would certainly assist with the workload and mean that we -- am I loud enough? Can you turn my volume up a bit, please? >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you. This would assist with the work that we -- that we can do. So we -- the first thing I would like to do is to nominate Young Eum Lee as a vice chair of the council, and can I perhaps have a second -- Patrick. Thank you very much. Can I ask that we -- assuming that Young Eum's okay with that, that we actually -- no, we're not going to ask you. We'll just do it anyway. That's it. Exactly. If we could perhaps take a formal vote on that. All those in favor please raise your hand. Paulos and Olivier? >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: I support the motion. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Paulos. Olivier? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Thank you. Anyone against or anyone abstaining? In that case, Young Eum, you now have the job of being vice chair. Thank you very much for being prepared to do it. My proposal in respect to the second vice chair is that we ask Byron Holland, who is joining the council from dot CA to be our second vice chair. This motion needs to be a slightly different motion because he doesn't actually stand to the council until after this meeting, so the motion would be that Byron Holland becomes a vice chair at the council at the end of this meeting, when he takes his seat. If he agrees. Well, yes. Well, obviously I've asked him and he says yes. So may I ask that someone seconds that motion? Hiro. , thank you very much. All those in favor. Paulos? Okay. That's a yes. Olivier? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Olivier is [inaudible]? >> He's in favor. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: He's in favor? Thank you very much. Okay. That's good. So well done, everybody. So Item No. 4 on our agenda is the matter of a GNSO observer. Now, we did have someone doing this role but they -- from France, Pierre. Pierre? >>PATRICIO POBLETE: Yeah. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yeah. And he's had to resign the position because he's left to take up a job with the government. So we need to reappoint somebody. Now, we do have a couple of possible nominations, but I don't think that we've actually had enough time yet to consider those, so I'm going to propose that we roll that forwards to our next council meeting, and that we should perhaps maybe put up another call just to make sure that we've got -- >>DOTTY SPARKS de BLANC: (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Do we know who the possibles are? >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: A gentleman from Singapore, I believe and -- >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes. Gabby -- can we have a microphone for Gabby, please? Hello? >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: Chris, can you hear me? >> So the first candidate is Han Chuan Lee from Singapore, and the second one is Alioune Badara Traore from Mali. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Is Alioune here? Could you stand up if you are? No? Okay. He was earlier, yeah. So if everyone's okay with it, we'll roll it forwards to the next meeting. Young Eum. >>YOUNG EUM LEE: Next meeting -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Next council -- telephone -- >>YOUNG EUM LEE: Teleconference, yeah. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Teleconference, yeah. Okay. Item No. 5, afTLD has appointed an observer to the council and we need to just acknowledge that. It's Eric Akumiah. I hope I have pronounced that correctly. And Eric, I believe, is not here, but he will be attending as the observer and we'll put him on our lists and all of the other things that we need to do in order to make sure that that happens. Item No. 6 is the approval of a membership application from dot ms, which is Montserrat, that's right. Hopefully we can have a meeting there one day. And that application has been -- gone through the normal processes and Kim Davies from IANA has confirmed that it meets the normal requirements, so may I please ask the council to vote on that? All those in favor? Paulos? Olivier? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you. That is carried and that means that we now officially have 90 members of the ccNSO, and, quite frankly, I think that deserves a round of applause. [Applause] >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: It doesn't seem that long ago that we were trying to Scrabble four together in Europe. Item No. 7 is the ccNSO participation working group. Lesley, would you like to speak on that? >>LESLEY COWLEY: Thank you, Chris. I'd like to firstly start by thanking Kieren for the remote participation facilities for this meeting. I see there's quite a number of people participating remotely, including my son, by the way. But the working group report was sent to the council on the 26th of February, and we presented to the ccNSO this morning, and as you'll see, there's a series of recommendations which hopefully enable the work to be embedded in our ongoing items and ongoing responsibilities, and on that basis, I'm happy to take any questions, but the working group considers our work is complete and recommends the closure of the working group. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Lesley. Are there any comments or questions at this stage? Young Eum? No? Okay. >>YOUNG EUM LEE: I would just like to commend Lesley on a wonderful job. Thank you. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Young Eum. So I think we have two clear action items that we need to do. The first is the council should -- needs to adopt the participation working group report. As Lesley says, the recommendations fit basically once the -- once the report's adopted, fit basically into our standard work flow and we can consider those on an ongoing basis and make decisions about those, but the first thing we need to do is to adopt the participation working group. So could I have a proposal for that motion, please? Perhaps Lesley should do that. >>LESLEY COWLEY: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Lesley. Seconder, please? Patricio. Thank you. All those in favor, please raise your hand. Olivier? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Can't you see my hand raised? [Laughter] >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Olivier. Paulos, are you back with us? No? Okay. Anyone against? Any abstentions? Motion is passed. The second thing we need to do is to formally close the participation working group and to thank the members of the participation working group for the extraordinary amount of work that they did and the efforts that they put in. May I have a proposal for that motion, please? Ondrej? Seconded had? Becky. Thank you. All those in favor? Olivier? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you. Anyone against? Anyone abstaining? Carried. Thank you. Item No. 8 is the IANA working group. Now, Olivier -- >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: -- we can hear you but we can't hear you very well. Do you want me to read your report, or do you want to read it? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: I'm not -- I don't know if it's necessary because it's a bit long. I sent the report at the beginning of the -- yeah, last week -- at the end of last week, I think. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes, you did. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: I'm not sure if you have [inaudible] the meeting or not. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: No, I've -- >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: In a sense, I would suggest that you publish it on the Web site. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: I recommend the -- and suggest the conclusion of the working group, of the IANA working group. I didn't receive any comments or any objection, so -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: -- it was sent to the council. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: I didn't receive any comments. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Thank you, Olivier. Is everybody happy if we simply -- yes, Lesley? >>LESLEY COWLEY: On the council call, I did raise the concern that that might mean we lose our involvement with IANA, and I think there is still some ongoing work needed there, and I think I suggested at the time that perhaps we might be able to combine that with the technical working group. I wondered what happened to that suggestion. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes, you did, and I'm still working on that because the technical working group is -- needs to be regathered, shall we say, and so I think -- I think that perhaps the way to deal with this is to accept Olivier's recommendation and to note that we believe that at the next council call, we should deal with how we continue our close relationship with IANA and ensure that Kim still comes and talks to us and all of that stuff. Ondrej? >>ONDREJ FILIP: I would like to underline what Lesley told us because I think there is still some work we need to do with the automated IANA [inaudible] -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes. >>ONDREJ FILIP: -- because it's not still fully running and such things, so I also would like to support her view of continuing work on that issue. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yeah. I think that's right, and I think that it may be that we actually -- what we actually need to do is to revisit the technical working group and revamp that, and then give that the authority to be dealing with IANA. >>LESLEY COWLEY: I agree, so maybe a supplementary recommendation is that we have a review of the technical working group scope and charter. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yeah. Okay. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Chris. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes, Olivier. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: If I may -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: -- the line is [inaudible] for me, so I can't really hear what the comments are. I would appreciate from those colleagues that have commented to just post a mail for me to understand the comments because I can't hear anything. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Olivier, do you have a computer in front of you? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yep. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. If you go to the -- what's the Web address? >>LESLEY COWLEY: I'll e-mail you the Web address. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: If you go to the Web address that Lesley's about to send you, you can actually see live us and the words that the scribes are typing on the screen. So you will be able to read what was said, but in summary -- can you hear me? Hello? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes? Okay. In summary, the suggestion is that as we still have some work to do with IANA, that we accept your recommendation but that we agree to review the scope of the technical working group and to ensure that that working group is empowered to deal with the issues that we need to deal with with IANA. Okay? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Okay with it. Okay. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yeah. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Good. So the first resolution, then, would be that we accept the report -- that we accept the IANA working group report. Olivier, would you care to propose that motion? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Good. May I have a seconder, please? Lesley, thank you. All those in favor? Olivier, I assume you're in favor, since you proposed the motion. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yep. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Anyone against? No abstentions? Okay. So that resolution is passed. The second resolution would be that we close the IANA working group in accordance with the recommendations of Olivier's report. Or sorry, the working group's report. Olivier, would you care to propose that motion as well? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you. May I have a seconder, please? Dotty, thank you. All those in favor? Anyone against? No abstentions. So that is passed, too. The third resolution is that the council review the scope of the technical working group to ensure that it is mandated and capable of undertaking continuing work with IANA on outstanding issues. Can somebody propose that, please? Ondrej, seconded by Lesley. All those in favor? Olivier, are you in favor? Olivier? Okay. All those against? Any abstentions? Lovely. Done. And I would like to also ask for a fourth resolution, which is that the council formally thank Olivier for the extraordinary amount of work that he has done over the years in respect to this -- to our liaison with IANA, and that we formally resolve that. That's proposed by Becky, seconded by Oscar. All those in favor. Olivier, you don't get to vote on this one. Passed unanimously. Okay. The ninth resolution is -- sorry, the ninth agenda item is the approval of the SOP charter, the strategic and operations planning group or committee charter. Any discussion on this resolution. Hiro? >>HIRO HOTTA: Yes. I have a proposal of a small amendment. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Can you just give us a second so that we can get it up in front of us. Hiro, you need to speak much closer into the mic. Okay. Which clause is it, Hiro? >>HIRO HOTTA: The Section 4, "Duration." >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Section 4, "Duration." Okay. Yes. >>HIRO HOTTA: The first sentence goes the term of the working group is one year. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes. >>HIRO HOTTA: But I think it should be the term of the working group member is one year. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes. That is -- what? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Carry on, Lesley. >>LESLEY COWLEY: We discussed the duration of the working group in the proposals at our last meeting, I believe, and I think the intent was that the duration be one year of the working group because much like the previous participation working group, the intent is to increase participation and one might hope that that might be achieved within a reasonable time period. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Right. So if I understand you correctly, what you're saying is whilst it's acknowledged that the working group may continue, which is why there are terms referred to -- >>LESLEY COWLEY: I think it -- I think that needs to be edited to refer to both the term of the working group and the term of working group members. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Right. Bart? But you'll need the microphone. >>BART BOSWINKEL: I do -- I hope it works. Yeah. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yeah. >>BART BOSWINKEL: When we looked at the charter again, what you will see is a first review will be in 2010. The idea was that to have this working group at least for 18 months because we, right in the middle of the one of the cycles and go for a full cycle, and at that time, so that is in June 2010, see how the working group is functioning. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. I understand that, but what I don't understand is if the working group's first term is going to be from today -- well, once it's formed, till June 2010, which I understand that completely -- >>BART BOSWINKEL: Yeah. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: -- why there is a reference to a member of the working group may be reappointed for a maximum of two or more subsequent years. >>BART BOSWINKEL: Yeah. It is -- if you look at it now, it is inconsistent. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yeah. >>BART BOSWINKEL: And so it's either you do it for one year and you strike the sentence on the membership or -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Bart, it's very simple. We've just -- >>LESLEY COWLEY: I think Hiro is right. If we just add "member" after the first "working group" then that addresses the working group membership. I've just remembered that we had a discussion about when this was going to start and we brought that forward, so we could get involved at the operating plan stage. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: All right. >>LESLEY COWLEY: So I think if we make that amendment, then that resolves that issue. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: So you're saying the first sentence should read, "The term of a WG member is one year." >>LESLEY COWLEY: Exactly. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Which is what Hiro proposed originally. Okay. Fine. So subject to -- are there any other comments on the charter? Good. What? You're sighing. Don't worry about it. >>DOTTY SPARKS de BLANC: (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Don't worry it's fine. Subject to that amendment, subject the reading "the term of a working group member is one year," then may I have a proposal that we approve the SOP charter? Lesley, thank you. Hiro seconded. Thank you very much. Yes, Young Eum. Sorry. Do you have a comment? >>YOUNG EUM LEE: Sorry for the late comment. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: That's all right. >>YOUNG EUM LEE: But is there a possibility for the working group members to be increased? The number of the members to be increased? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: What's the number? Where are we? Seven? Is there a particular reason why you think it should be increased? >>LESLEY COWLEY: There's currently seven members but there was no limit to the number of volunteers. It's just I think we had seven volunteers. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Oh, okay. Fine. Fine. So we have the -- the adoption of the charter is proposed by Lesley and seconded by Hiro. All those in favor please raise your hands. Olivier? Okay. Have we lost both Olivier and Paulos now? Olivier, are you there? Okay. Can we see if we can figure out what's going on with the telephone lines, please? Thank you. So that -- anyone against the resolution? Okay. That's passed. Thank you. Item No. 10 is the -- is IDNs. The first item is -- 10.1 is a result of the discussions of the council -- some of the discussions that the council had at its workshop on Sunday, and one of the things that we thought would be very useful is if we set up an e-mail list for members and councillors, obviously, specifically devoted to IDN issues, so that you -- you would receive separate e-mails in respect to IDNs and in fact, you would receive an update on IDNs every two weeks. So the Secretariat would ensure that anything to do with IDNs at all that's happening either in the gTLD space or the ccTLD space or the board space or the GAC space would be noted and sent out to the community. Now, I'm unclear whether we decided that this would be a list you'd subscribe to or whether this would be a list that everybody would just be on. What do we think? >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I think that's probably unfair. >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Did we say -- >> (Speaker is off microphone). >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: No. Bart, what would you suggest to us? >>BART BOSWINKEL: What I suggest is either -- I would suggest that we use the ccNSO Web site and create a separate section on that one, so those who are interested can look there and -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: So like a message board rather than an e-mail list. >>BART BOSWINKEL: Yeah. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. I'm game. >>BART BOSWINKEL: Unless people say -- if you want to create a list and it's used for discussion purposes. But if it's just for dissemination of information that we use the ccNSO Web site. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. Young Eum? >>YOUNG EUM LEE: I would agree but I would like to add that the. >>YOUNG EUM LEE: I would agree. I would like to add that the creation of the Web site should be widely notified. And if there are certain important issues that come up within the list, then maybe those certain issues should also be conveyed to the whole list. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you. I agree with that. I would be concerned about creating a list that is just for subscription only. What I think I would prefer to see is a list -- is a message board-type thing on the Web site and discussion on our normal list because I think too many lists, you end up getting lost -- list lost. But the key to this suggestion is that there was a specific place where IDN information was available and I think that can be dealt with Bart's suggestion. So I don't think we need a formal resolution to do this. I just think we can go ahead and do it. So if the secretariat can sort that out for us, that would be fantastic. The second item is the resolution that we have been discussing today in the members meeting that has gone out to the list and we have received no comment or problem with it. Sorry? >>BART BOSWINKEL: There is comment from -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Use the microphone. >>BART BOSWINKEL: There was a comment from Olivier. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: There was? Oh, yes there was, too. >>BART BOSWINKEL: So -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yeah, well, okay. Well, let's open it up for discussion. Does anybody have any comment that they would like to make about the resolution as it is currently drafted? Did I hear breathing? No? [laughter] Are you happy if I don't read the resolution the -- it is too long. Okay. Well, on that basis then I would ask that there be a proposer for this resolution, please. Young Eum, thank you. May I have a seconder? Patrick, thank you very much. All those in favor please raise your hand. Is there anyone on the phone? Okay. Anyone against? No. No abstentions. Now what I propose to do with that is tomorrow -- I think it is tomorrow afternoon where we give our SO and AC reports, I would propose -- that I will actually read that resolution so that resolution will then actually go into the record of the reporting in the meeting -- in the open meeting tomorrow. Whilst, it is not exactly the same as the GAC resolution, but it has the same effect and as far as I'm aware, the GAC has agreed very few changes to the wording that we have already seen. I would also like to note at this point for interest that unless it's been taken out, the GAC communique also contains a sentence that says that the GAC believes that IDN ccTLDs should not be delayed, if there is a delay in respect to gTLDs. Excellent. The third item under IDNs is the issues report. Now, we don't have very much to do here, unless anybody has a burning issue because this is open for public comment and it stays open for public comment until when? Haven't published it yet. I apologize it is not open for public comment. That was absolute rubbish. The idea is we publish is for public comment, is that right? Unless there are any major issues with it that wouldn't come out in the comment period -- Bart, you had something? >>BART BOSWINKEL: It was sent to the council to get some, first, feedback from the council, whether they feel comfortable with the direction before publishing it for public comment. That was the basic idea. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Is there any discussion on it? Becky. >>BECKY BURR: I assume, based on our conversation, that it may be published with minor non-substantive changes. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Oh, yes, editing. >>BECKY BURR: That needs to be clear to everybody. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Editing changes, et cetera, et cetera. It is more about us actually. It is actually Bart's report. It is more about us being comfortable with the approach he is recommending, which is the split working group approach. >>BECKY BURR: I want to make sure we preserve that. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Any other discussion? Jian, you have to speak into the microphone. >>JIAN ZHANG: Sorry, I didn't finish reading. I notice there is a sentence that a document -- actually, the line 3, the documented relationship on the basis of propose documentation of responsibility either as it stands today or in the modified format may be encouraged but should not be a condition for IDN ccTLD delegation. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: What are you reading? >>JIAN ZHANG: Actually, it says GAC statement. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: That's the GAC statement, right. >>JIAN ZHANG: In our statement, we change to -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: It should be "encouraged." >>JIAN ZHANG: It should be "encouraged"? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes. >>JIAN ZHANG: Should we keep it just the way -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: No. >>JIAN ZHANG: Maybe just "encourage"? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Actually, we have already voted on it, so we've passed it already. But, secondly, the clear indication from the room this morning was that the general feeling was that this is something that should be encouraged by the community generally as something that we should encourage, but we actually already voted on the resolution, Jian. So we actually can't -- >>JIAN ZHANG: Is there something where we can put some pressure on everybody to have a documented relationship? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I don't understand your question. What do you mean? >>JIAN ZHANG: For me, it sounds like we're putting pressure because we're -- >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: No, we're indicating to the board -- we're indicating to the board that we believe that this should be encouraged. Yes, Lesley? >>LESLEY COWLEY: I think it is important to read that with 1.1 which emphasizes that it is voluntary. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Yes, exactly. There is a clear statement that says it should be voluntary. And there is also a clear statement that says it should be encouraged. So I don't think there is an issue with that. Certainly from the point of view of the feeling I got in the room today, that was the consensus. I'm not saying it was unanimous but there was certainly consensus. >>JIAN ZHANG: Okay. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay? Good. So, sorry, back to the issues report. Can we perhaps then -- Bart, do we need to resolve to publish this? No, it is just published? Okay. Well, if there is no discussion on it, Bart can basically get on with editorial changes. Becky, thank you for your efforts in respect to that as well because you have done some stuff. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Item 11 is briefly a discussion on the outcomes of the ccNSO Council workshop that we held on Sunday. As a result of that workshop, we have a planning agenda. That is going to be sent -- I don't think it has actually been sent out to the council yet. It will be sent out to the council for a check-through and then the intention is that we will publish that on the Web site. The second is that we agreed that we would set up what we are calling a programme working group. And that is spelled correctly. And that working groups' role is for the management of ccNSO members meeting agendas. That's an outline of its role. The charter will go into more detail. With respect to that, what we need to do after, we've had a discussion, if we need to, is to resolve to set up that working group and instruct Bart to -- sorry, to make a call for volunteers for the working group. So I suppose what we need to do is to decide -- in the past what we have normally done, we have seen how many volunteers we've got before we actually decided how many members the working group was going to have. What do we think about that? Everyone okay with that? We just make a call for volunteers? Because it is the charter that actually puts the structure in place. Is everyone okay with that? Okay. So what we would resolve is to set up a programme working group for the management of ccNSO members meeting agendas and to put out a call for participants in that working group. Can I have a proposer for that? Ondrej, thank you. Nashwa, thank you very much. All those in favor? Is there anyone on the phone? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yes, I'm in favor. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Olivier. Welcome back. Paulos, you are still not with us? >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: I'm in favor. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Paulos. Excellent. Anyone against? Any abstentions? Okay. Passed. And the third item under the outcomes of the workshop is a proposal that we should set up a delegation and redelegation working group. This came as a -- from a discussion we had in the council workshop basically -- where we basically said that we felt that the time had come for us to start addressing this issue, that we couldn't go on ignoring it forever, despite the fact we might like to. Whilst we didn't feel at this stage that it was sensible for us to consider launching a policy development process because we have rather a lot of other things to be doing in respect to IDNs, that we could perhaps form a working group to start talking about the delegation, redelegation issues and to do some work to produce maybe some documents and issues papers and so on on that topic. Now, again, the way that this working group needs to be structured will be dealt with by the charter so I think at this stage all we really need to do is to resolve that we are going to do it and ask that the charter be prepared by the secretariat liaising with the council and then put out a call for volunteers. Because I think this one needs to be very carefully crafted. Does that make sense? Okay. So the motion would be that we set up a delegation and redelegation working group and instruct Bart and Gabby to liaise with the council in drafting a charter for approval at one of our teleconferences in the not too distant. Can I have a proposer? Thank you, Keith. Yes, Lesley. >>LESLEY COWLEY: I query we shouldn't be approving the charter. That should come from the working group itself. We could probably approve an outline that the group then consider. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. We do have to formally approve the charter, but I understand what you are saying. We ask Bart to draft an outline charter, which does things like the structure of the working group, how many people and so on, and then they then make their own charter. Okay. So if there is no problem with that, I had Patrick and Keith, I think. So that was the proposer. Okay. All those in favor? Olivier? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Just a question, do you know already who are the members of the working group? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: No, Olivier. We will make a call for members when the council has approved the outline of the charter. Okay? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Okay. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: And, so -- are you in favor of the motion? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Yep. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you. Paulos? >>PAULOS NYIRENDA: In favor. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Thank you, Paulos. Anyone against? Carried. Okay. We are getting to the end. The next item is just a discussion on the ACSO session, the joint Advisory Committee/Supporting Organization sessions. I put this on the agenda to ask the council whether they thought it was appropriate to pass a resolution supporting those sessions and suggesting that they should continue not necessarily in exactly the same format but we think that the SOs and the ACs coming together in such a manner is very valuable. Becky? >>BECKY BURR: I do think that this -- that it's a valuable format. I think this format was more interactive and more interesting for not only the participants but everybody else. I do think that there is a general concern to the extent that these sessions take away from time with the interacting with the board, so there is some balance to be had there. I think it was more in Cairo that it was an issue. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Because you do know that we have all morning is the public forum tomorrow. >>BECKY BURR: I know that. So I'm not objecting to this at all, just to say that I like the balance we struck here better. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: One second. Yes, just so you know, in the very brief discussions afterwards, the chairs think that perhaps we might shorten it to maybe two hours rather than three. We're not clear yet and obviously we will see how we go. But that might also be of some assistance in that balance. Oscar? >>OSCAR ROBLES: I don't know if it would be appropriate to recommend -- >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Hello? >>OSCAR ROBLES: -- to include board members in these discussions? >>YOUNG EUM LEE: You need to speak up. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: We can't hear you. >>OSCAR ROBLES: Maybe we should suggest that board members will be present in these discussions in order for them -- to allow them to be aware of what is the general sentiment. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: I understand. >>OSCAR ROBLES: I agree with your proposal. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: As far as I'm aware, nothing conflicting was scheduled and, in fact, a number of board members were present. Peter was there for a while. Dennis and others. Did you want to -- >>LESLEY COWLEY: I wasn't particularly responding to that point. I was just responding as one of the participants in a keen leader of participation. A number of the audience spoke afterwards they found it very much more a better format than previous ones that we have used. I would be interested in seeing a summary of the feedback comments, and I think we should be able to build on that session based on that feedback to see what we can take forward. But certainly I would see as encouraging cross-constituency participation which is key. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Okay. I'm not going to propose a resolution now because I think it needs to be drafted carefully and so that we say the right things in the right order. We can perhaps do that at our next teleconference and pass that then and then send this up to the board. Excellent. Okay. That brings me to Item 13 which is thank you's. Now, I have a list here of a number of thank you's. And what I propose to do is that we go through them one by one. The first vote of thanks would be to the Mexico meeting organizers who have worked extremely hard to make this a fantastic meeting, and I think they deserve our thanks. So the way we normally do thank you's is by acclamation. [applause] The second one actually, though Lesley has already said it, I think we should have a formal motion to thank Kieren for the Adobe -- whatever it's called -- software that has meant that this room has been able to be watched, listened to read, slided and just about everything else on the net. And I any we should thank him for that and also our resolution should say that we highly recommend that this be carried through, if at all possible, to every meeting in every room in the ICANN meeting. I think that is -- that probably needs to be a proper resolution, doesn't it? As a proposer, Lesley. Seconder? Young Eum. Thank you. All those in favor. I don't know if you either Olivier or Paulos have used the system. Do you have a comment? >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: I came back. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: He said what? >>BART BOSWINKEL: "I came back." >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: We will take it that you are in favor. Thank you. Anyone against? Carried. >>BART BOSWINKEL: Paulos? >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Paulos? [No verbal response.] Can I ask that the secretariat forward that resolution, please, to Kieren. The next thank you is to Erick Iriarte. Typical. Typical. It is basically a thank you to Erick and LacTLD for organizing our ccNSO members dinner. I think we should acclaim that. [applause] We have some thank you's to departing people, although they might not still be around. The first is Don Hollander who was -- as you know, was until very recently the APTLD manager and has been a very prominent force at ICANN meetings, complete with hat. And, again, I think we should resolve to thank Don for all of the hard work that he put in, not just in respect to APTLD but also in respect to ccNSO activities in ICANN. And I would propose that we pass that by acclamation. [applause] We have three departing councillors. I think we can do this in one- go. Victor Ciza -- one day I will learn how to pronounce your name correctly -- has served on the council for the African region and is leaving us at the end of this meeting. Keith Drazek for dot us in the American region has served on the council. Keith's brought us a very interesting perspective as working for a gTLD registry that just so happens to also run dot us. And Olivier is also leaving the council. Olivier has brought his own unique perspective to many matters that have been dealt by the ccNSO Council. They all deserve our thanks for being willing to serve. And I propose that we pass a resolution of thanks by acclamation. [applause] You are thanked, Olivier. >>OLIVIER GUILLARD: Thank you. >>CHRIS DISSPAIN: Demi Getschko has been one of our ccNSO board appointees for just over three years. He could have stood for a further term, but he decided not to. And whilst we are sad to see him leave the board, we are delighted to be able to welcome him back into the ccNSO community. And I think we should resolve to thank him for all his hard work and effort in what is an extremely onerous task of being an ICANN board member. [applause] Gabby, have I forgotten to thank anybody? [laughter] Cool. We always thank Gabby. We do that at the end. We have some welcomes as well. But actually before I do the welcomes, I will do the thank you's. We should resolve to thank both Gabby and Bart for all the effort they put in to make all these meetings run properly and all the intersessional work they do. Thank you very much, guys. [applause] Yes, we should thank our scribes, who although they have been somewhat in and out today, do an extraordinary, extraordinary job and deserve our appreciation. [applause] Which brings me finally to two things. One is some welcomes. We welcome onto our council at the end of this meeting Byron Holland, Juhani -- I knew I would struggle with this one. Juhani Juselius. Thank you. And Vika, another one I struggle with, Mpisane. Very similar to my name which is probably why I struggle with it. You are all very welcome. You will be on the lists, et cetera. Of course, you will be involved in all of the council deliberations from the end of this meeting. Welcome, and thank you for being prepared to join the ccNSO. Do we have any other business? I just have one other piece of information which you may find interesting, of course, now I have to find. I asked Kim to do some numbers -- to run some numbers. And although this is an estimate, the current membership of the ccNSO is responsible for about 84% of total ccTLD registrations around the world. So we think that the numbers are approximately 64.7 million registrations in ccTLDs and 54.2 million by members of the ccNSO. So I think that's a fairly interesting statistic and shows that from the point of view of representation, we are fairly well up there even though we don't yet have 50% of ccTLDs as members. Unless there is anything else, I will formally close this council meeting and I will join everybody at the gala tonight for a class of wine. Thank you all very much for coming. [applause]