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[Comment-Dnso] RE: ISP Constituency DNSO
Dear Esther,
What we ment is that the draft was not out for the public comment before May
3rd. If it had been there and had been commented and negociated, as other
drafts for other constituencies have been, the ISP community might have
reached and agreement that is now very difficult. This attitude has palced
us in a very difficult situation, as there is no time to present
"competing" drafts, which we do not believe is a good solution either.
I will try to attend the Berlin meeting, but I am against on-site
negotiations, as they would exclude most of the ISP community. The ISP
constituency should follow and open and transparent process similar to the
one that has been followed by other constituencies. It is painfull to see
that this proposal forces ICANN to be the one to decide, instead of allowing
sectorial self-regulation and organization. If we have read the ICANN
chapter correctly, ICANN can not accept a constituency that has not followed
that process and that clearly does not represent the community is has been
called to represent. ICANN should assure that and agreement is reached by
the professional ISP community, not allowing capture by a handfull of
organizations.
Manuel Hurtado
President
ISP Commission
ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>
Para: Manuel Hurtado <mhurtado@offcampus.es>
CC: comment-dnso@icann.org <comment-dnso@icann.org>; discuss@dnso.org
<discuss@dnso.org>; msvh@icann.org <msvh@icann.org>; Joe Sims
<Joe_Sims@jonesday.com>; Mike Roberts <mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us>
Fecha: jueves, 06 de mayo de 1999 16:47
Asunto: Re: ISP Constituency DNSO
You are certainly allowed to make public comments, and indeed you are doing
so now. Thank you! We will post them for you. We hope you will send a
representative to the meeting in Berlin, as well.
Esther Dyson
At 02:38 PM 06/05/99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,
>
>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations, without further
consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of the DNSO.
>
>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISPīs that cover over 85%
of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users). Nevertheless,
we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP Constituency, nor
have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter the group of funding
organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not documents have been made
public before this time. Please see the comments below to the proposed ISP
Constituency.
>
>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been secretly prepared by the
organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of public comments,
nor allowing any other organisation to join in.
>
>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on their own
judgement.
>
>*The rules for acceoting individual ISPīs are unclear, (because of
language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISPīs. The "founding
members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.
>
>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to accept candidates.
This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council representatives
before they have to accept anybody.
>
>*Their Chapter says that Associations will represent.................,
making it very unclear who might become a NC representative.
>
>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be accepted by ICANN as
it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no candidacy for ISPīs
should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there is not enough time to
carry on an open and trasparent process to create a chapter and a fair ISP
Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry representation at
this time, if this means assuring fair representation in the future.
>
>Manuel Hurtado
>President
>ISP Commission
>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>
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><DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations,
>without further consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of
the
>DNSO.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISPīs
that
>cover over 85% of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users).
>Nevertheless, we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP
>Constituency, nor have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter
the
>group of funding organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not
documents
>have been made public before this time. Please see the comments below to
the
>proposed ISP Constituency.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been
secretly
>prepared by the organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of
>public comments, nor allowing any other organisation to join
in.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on
>their own judgement.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>*The rules for acceoting individual ISPīs are unclear,
>(because of language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISPīs. The
>"founding members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to
accept
>candidates. This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council
>representatives before they have to accept anybody.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>*Their Chapter says that Associations will
>represent................., making it very unclear who might become a NC
>representative.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be
accepted
>by ICANN as it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no
>candidacy for ISPīs should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there
is not
>enough time to carry on an open and trasparent process to create a
chapter
>and a fair ISP Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry
>representation at this time, if this means assuring fair representation in
the
>future.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>Manuel Hurtado</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>President</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>ISP Commission</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es</FONT></DIV>
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>
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