J. William Semich (NIC JWS7) wrote:
Hello;Agreed completely here Bill. To the extent that these "Type" of
I have a few response to Milton's comments about ccTLDs who are noncommercial:
At 12:59 PM 7/29/99 -0400, Milton wrote:
>Many ccTLDs, and almost all registrars and ISPs are commercial businesses.
>they are "non-profit" businesses their economic and political interests
>very different from the consumers of their services. There is a definite
>of interest, especially with TLD registries. TLD registries control the
>names and benefit economically from the payments for registration. They
>willing to impose policies on domain name holders that make life easier for
>themselves, but are hostile to the user. Also, ccTLDs may prefer to limit
>competition from new TLDs, whereas users may support it.
"ccTLDs" can not be represented by a single structure or concept. Like
everything else in the world, the structure and operations and even the
"personal identity" of the various entities and organizations you have
lumped into the single basket "ccTLDs" is not quite so clear. Many
different organizations have been assigned the "responsibility" for a TLD
in the ISO 3166 name space (ccTLDs). But not all of these are
"operationally responsible" for the registration of domain names or even
for handling money or overseeing transactions. Some - like ISOC-NZ, and
IUS-N, - are not even in the business of accepting domain name
They exist to promote the use of, education of end usersAs consideration for membership to constituency, the answer here is YES,
about, and generally support development of, the Internet in their
localities. The operational aspects of the TLD registration process are
managed by separate, private, organizations (either under contract,
license, etc) and the commercial part of the operation is totally separate
from the non-profit organizaiton which has been delegated to oversee the
TLD by IANA.
You cannot, with a single brush, paint all "ccTLDs" as driven by commercial
interests or needs. Many of us are, instead, driving to build the Internet.
That is the primary purpose of IUS-N, in fact.
Would you also exclude hospitals, blood banks, community organizations that
have fund raisers, libraries that charge for overdue books or rent best
sellers, community healt care centers funded by corporate fund drives, the
United Way, etc., all because their activities 'touch" the commercial side
It appears some on the list are considering excluding UniversitiesOnly those organizations that are non-commercial or otherwise have NO
as well. So I'll ask - who will be allowed into the NCDNHC?
This depends on the legal interpretation of the term "orientation", I would
Certainly, if an entity is organized as a non-profit, with a completely
non-commercial orientation (not an association of businesses, or a trade
show created to help promote businesses) and can show evidence it is such,
that should be the primary criteria for membership.
This is ok in as much as the can have "Speaking Rights". It may not be
>I asked this question in Berlin, and no one could provide a good answer.
So I will
>ask it again: when ccTLD operators tell us that they should be allowed in the
>non-commercial constituency, I ask--why are not universities and
>groups allowed into the ccTLD constituency? When the traffic goes both
>we can consider letting them in. Until then, No.
I can answer that question, Milton. Anyone who qualifies is permitted to
join the ccTLD constituency. No one is excluded for also having some other
affiliation or for being in some other DNSO constituency. The traffic goes
I don't agree, and I doubt that the DOJ can ignore that disagreement. The
Please, Milton, look closely at the list of entities, organzations and
individuals who are members of the ccTLD Constituency of the DNSO. It
includes: Universities, Health Care providers, research organizations,
commercial organizations, individuals, non-profit charities, a whole slew
of other kinds of non-profits, even a couple of college professors and an
attorney or two. No one has been excluded because of their "non-ccTLD"
affiliations. Yet you are proposing to exclude from the NCDNHC anyone who
*does* meet the requirements for membership, but who also has a non-NCDNHC
affiliation. This appears both illogical and unfair to me.
Yes they should if and only if their activities qualify legally in the jurisdiction
The NCDNHC should be open to anyone who qualifies as well. The interests of
IUS-N are noncommercial interests. The interests of many other "ccTLDs' are
also noncommercial, and meet all the membership requirements of the NCDNHC.
They should be allowed to become active and contributing members of the
Constituency's by their very nature are exclusionary at some point.
Exclusionary membership polices are not in the interests of the Internet....
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