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ICANN PUBLIC FORUM, PART 1
WEDNESDAY 28 JUNE 2006
ICANN - MARRAKECH

>>VINT CERF: GOOD AFTERNOON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

I'M VINT CERF, CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD OF ICANN.

AND I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR DELAY.

PAUL TWOMEY, WHO IS SCHEDULED TO MAKE THE PRESIDENT'S REPORT, IS JUST
FINISHING UP ANOTHER MEETING AND SHOULD BE HERE MOMENTARILY.

IN THE MEANTIME, I WANT TO DRAW ATTENTION TO SEVERAL THINGS WHICH I THINK
MIGHT BE OF INTEREST -- THAT MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO YOU.

FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT LAST NIGHT WAS ONE OF THE MOST
SPECTACULAR PARTIES I'VE EVER BEEN TO IN MY ENTIRE LIFE.

AND I WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR HOST, RACHID SEFRIOUI, WHO IS THE SECRETARY
GENERAL OF ANRT, WHO HOSTED THAT EVENT FOR US.

I'M TOLD THAT THE BUILDING THAT WE WERE IN IS ACTUALLY ONLY 14 YEARS OLD AND
THAT THE MAN WHO BUILT IT, MR. BEN FALLA, ALTHOUGH HE PASSED AWAY RECENTLY,
HIS SONS CONTINUE ON WITH THE TRADITION THAT THEIR FATHER STARTED, AND THEY
CONTINUE TO ADD TO THE COMPLEX, AS IF IT WERE POSSIBLE TO ADD MORE TO THAT
THAN IT ALREADY HAS.

SO WE WILL BE OFFICIALLY THANKING ANRT FOR THEIR HOSPITALITY, BUT I WANTED TO
CONFIRM THAT I THINK WE ALL HAD A VERY GOOD TIME.

I ALSO FEAR THAT NO ONE WILL EVER HOST ANOTHER ICANN MEETING AGAIN, BECAUSE
THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO COME AS CLOSE TO WHAT -- THE PARTY LAST NIGHT THAT
THEY HAD IN THE FIRST PLACE.

SECOND, THE TECHNICAL SUPPORT HERE HAS BEEN EXTRAORDINARY.

SOME OF YOU IN THE HOTEL WILL HAVE DISCOVERED VERY GOOD BROADBAND WIRELESS
CONNECTIONS IN THE HOTEL.

THE REASON THERE'S SUCH GOOD CONNECTIVITY IS THAT THERE ARE 250 ACCESS POINTS
IN THAT HOTEL.

THERE ARE -- THE GROUP OF SEVERAL PEOPLE HAVE MADE ALL OF THE CONNECTIVITY IN
THIS CONGRESS COMPLEX AND IN THE HOTEL ACCESSIBLE TO US.

THE ORGANIZATION OF THAT EFFORT IS BY THE UNIVERSITE MOHAMED V.

AND ONE OF THE PROFESSORS AT THE UNIVERSITY, BELHAJ EL GRAINI, IS THE MAN WHO
ORGANIZED A LOT OF THIS WORK.

BUT HE ALSO DREW ON TWO CONTRACTORS, BOUGARN WADII, AND E INFORMATIQUE, WHICH
IS RUN BY ABDELAALI JABRANE.

AND WE WILL, AGAIN, OFFICIALLY BE THANKING THESE PEOPLE.

BUT I JUST THOUGHT I'D DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO AN EXTRAORDINARY PIECE OF WORK.

TELECOM MAROC SUPPLIED 34-MEGABIT SERVICE INTO THIS COMPLEX IN ORDER TO
SUPPORT US.

I ALSO WANTED TO DRAW TO YOUR ATTENTION ANOTHER INTERESTING MEETING THAT'S
COMING UP IN JANUARY.

IT'S THE 15TH TO THE 19TH OF JANUARY, 2007.

IT'S THE 7TH MEETING OF THE MOTION PICTURE EXPERTS GROUP, THE MPEG GROUP, THE
PEOPLE WHO BROUGHT US MPEG 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, AND OTHERS.

THEY'RE HOLDING IT HERE AGAIN IN MARRAKECH.

IT'S OCCURRING TO ME THAT THIS LOCATION HAS A FASCINATING CHARACTER.

IT'S NEAR THE MEDITERRANEAN, IT IS IN NORTH AFRICA, IT IS NOT FAR FROM EUROPE
AND THE MIDDLE EAST.

IT'S A VERY CENTRAL LOCATION FOR THIS PART OF THE WORLD.

AND IF THIS COMPLEX IS ANY INDICATION, IT WILL BECOME A VERY IMPORTANT
MEETING POINT FOR HIGH-TECH COMMUNITIES.

AND I CAN SEE NOW THAT IN ADDITION TO ICANN, THE MPEG GROUP WILL BE ENJOYING
THIS FACILITY IN EARLY JANUARY.

I WANT TO TURN NOW TO TWO OTHER ITEMS, RATHER SOMBER ONES.

AND I WANT TO ASK YOUR HELP.

AS I -- AS I SUPPOSE MOST OF YOU KNOW, OUR BOARD MEMBER, PETER DENGATE
THRUSH, HAD TO RETURN TO WELLINGTON AFTER GETTING SOME TERRIBLY TRAGIC NEWS
THAT HIS WIFE, HIS BROTHER, HIS FATHER, AND HIS FATHER'S PARTNER, HAD ALL
BEEN KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT JUST SHORTLY, I GUESS, BEFORE HE ARRIVED HERE
IN MARRAKECH.

WE SENT HIM BACK TO WELLINGTON IN THE COMPANY OF KEITH DAVIDSON, A GOOD
FRIEND OF HIS.

SO HE'S NOW IN WELLINGTON, ANTICIPATING THREE FUNERALS STARTING ON FRIDAY.

AND I HAVE -- I HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD AND, REALLY, ALL
OF US IN THE ICANN FAMILY, WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO READ HERE.

BUT WE HAVE SOME SIGN-UP SHEETS WITH JUST SIMPLE LINES ON THEM FOR YOU TO ADD
YOUR NAME TO THE LIST OF PEOPLE WHO WISH PETER WELL.

IN THE ENTRY AT THE -- ONCE YOU COME INTO THIS BUILDING, THERE IS A KIND OF A
REGISTRATION DESK.

AND YOU SHOULD SEE -- I'M SORRY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHETHER IT'S ON THE LEFT OR
THE RIGHT.

YOU SHOULD SEE A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN SIGN UP.

OR I PUT SHEETS DOWN HERE ON THE STAGE FOR YOU TO TAKE AND TO SIGN.

NOW, PLEASE DON'T TAKE A SHEET AND JUST SIGN ONE NAME ON IT AND THEN TURN THE
SHEET IN.

IT'S INTENDED FOR LOTS OF US TO SIGN ON EACH SHEET.

SUSAN CRAWFORD HAS GRACIOUSLY CONSENTED TO REPRESENT ALL OF US IN WELLINGTON
AT THE FUNERAL OF LIZ -- OF PETER'S WIFE, LIZ, ON MONDAY.

SO WE THANK SUSAN VERY MUCH FOR TAKING ON THAT SAD TASK.

BUT SHE'LL CARRY ALL OF THESE PAPERS WITH HER.

SO I ENCOURAGE YOU TO SIGN THEM, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, BEFORE SUSAN LEAVES, WHICH
I GUESS WILL BE SATURDAY?

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: THANK YOU, VINT.

AND I'M VERY GLAD TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THE ICANN COMMUNITY AT LIZ'S
FUNERAL.

I'M LEAVING FRIDAY AFTER THE BOARD MEETING.

IF YOU HAVE A PERSONAL NOTE YOU'D LIKE ME TO CARRY WITH ME ON THE PLANE BACK
TO WELLINGTON, I'D BE DELIGHTED TO DO THAT FOR YOU.

AND I'LL DO MY VERY BEST TO EXPRESS OUR CONDOLENCES ON THIS TRAGIC OCCASION.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, SUSAN.

SO THAT'S THE SITUATION FOR PETER.

RIGHT NOW, WHAT I THINK HE NEEDS IS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE KEEPING HIM IN OUR
THOUGHTS.

WE HAVE ANOTHER NOT-SO-HAPPY OCCURRENCE.

SOME OF YOU WILL KNOW THAT -- OH, GOSH, IT'S -- WOLFGANG, SORRY, BRAIN IS NOT
FUNCTIONING, WOLFGANG KLEINWAECHTER FELL DOWN THE STAIRS EARLIER THIS WEEK
AND HAD AN EXTREMELY BAD BROKEN LEG, SUFFICIENTLY BAD THAT IT REQUIRED ALL
KINDS OF SURGERY, REPAIR OF TENDONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

HE'S NOW BACK IN GERMANY.

AND I HAVE ANOTHER SIGNUP SHEET FOR YOU TO TAKE.

AGAIN, PLEASE DON'T USE UP ALL OF THE SHEET WITH ONE PERSON.

WE WILL SEND THAT TO HIM, CARRYING OUR THOUGHTS AND WISHES AND HOPE FOR A
RAPID AND COMPLETE RECOVERY.

I'LL TAKE THIS TIME TO ASK EACH OF YOU TO PLEASE BE VERY CAREFUL GOING UP AND
DOWN STAIRS, WALKING ACROSS STREETS, TAKING SHOWERS.

WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE BAD NEWS OF THIS KIND FOR THE REST OF THIS MEETING.

SO THAT BRINGS US UP TO THE REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAM.

AND I SEE THAT THE CEO HAS NOW ESCAPED AGAIN.

ARE YOU HIDING UNDER THE TABLE?

OH, YOU'RE HIDING OVER WITH STEVE CONTE.

SO I WILL INVITE PAUL TO MAKE HIS PRESIDENT'S REPORT.

LET ME SAY BEFORE YOU START, PAUL, THAT WE ARE GOING TO PERMUTE THE ORDER OF
THE AGENDA.

I'M GOING TO DELAY ALL OF THE SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION REPORTS UNTIL AFTER THE
BREAK, WHICH IS SCHEDULED AT ABOUT 3:15.

I'M GOING TO ADVANCE THE REPORTS FROM THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE BY GEORGE
SADOWSKY, THE IDN UPDATE FROM TINA DAM, THE IANA PROCESSES REPORT FROM DAVID
CONRAD, AND THE OMBUDSMAN REPORT FROM FRANK FOWLIE, I'M GOING TO PROMOTE ALL
OF THOSE UP TO 2:00.

THE REASON IS THAT THE GNSO AND CCNSO, IN PARTICULAR, HAD JUST FINISHED NOT
LONG AGO THEIR COUNCIL MEETINGS, AND THEY JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO ORGANIZE A
COHERENT REPORT TO US.

SO WE'RE GIVING THEM AN EXTRA BIT OF TIME.

SO, PAUL, I TURN THIS NOW OVER TO YOU FOR THE PRESIDENT'S REPORT.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANK YOU, VINT, BOARD MEMBERS, MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE A PRESENTATION HERE ON THE REPORT, AS USUAL.

I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TALK THROUGH THIS ONE VERY QUICKLY, I THINK, BECAUSE A
LOT OF THE POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE IN VARIOUS MEETINGS DURING THE WEEK SO FAR,
AND ALSO BECAUSE I WANT TO FLAG SOME THINGS THAT MIGHT BE EMERGING DURING
DISCUSSIONS BUT WHICH HAVE NOT YET COME TO FULL FRUITION, PARTICULARLY,
THERE'S BEEN CONVERSATIONS IN THE CCNSO, GNSO, AND VARIOUS THINGS THAT WE
HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CLOSE THE LOOP ON.

SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS REPORT, I THINK I'LL BE FAIRLY BRIEF.

I'LL ASK STEVE TO HELP.

JUST A REMINDER THAT WE ARE NOW COMING TO THE CONCLUSION OF THE OPERATIONAL
PLANNING CYCLE, AND THAT HAS BEEN UP -- THAT PLANNING CYCLE, AS YOU'LL
RECALL, WE HAVE A TWO-PART PLANNING CYCLE.

WE DO A STRATEGIC PLAN, CONSULTATION PROCESS, IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE FISCAL
YEAR.

AND THEN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

THE SCOPE OF THE FINANCIAL -- OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN IS A ROLLING THREE-YEAR
PLAN.

THE OPERATIONAL PLAN IS AN ANNUALIZED PLAN.

AND THAT, THEN, GETS INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET.

SO WE'RE PRESENTLY FINISHING THAT, IF YOU READ THROUGH THE TIMETABLE.

THE DRAFT OPERATING PLAN WAS POSTED ON THE 21ST OF MARCH, 2006, FOR COMMENT,
DRAWING ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN WELLINGTON.

THE REVISED OPERATING PLAN WAS POSTED ON THE 4TH OF MAY.

THERE WAS INPUT RECEIVED FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN IT WAS -- IT WAS INCORPORATED IN THE BUDGET, WHICH IS POSTED FOR
PUBLIC COMMENT ON THE 17TH OF MAY ACCORDING TO THE BYLAWS.

AND WE RECEIVED AGAIN FURTHER INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

WE'VE EVEN RECEIVED INPUT THIS -- DURING THE WEEK. AND REVISED BUDGET WAS
POSTED THE 22ND OF JUNE, AND THIS WILL BE COMING BEFORE THE BOARD FOR
APPROVAL ON THE 30TH OF JUNE.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME AMENDMENT ON THE OPERATIONAL PLAN SINCE ITS POSTING, AND
INPUTS FROM THE COMMUNITY.

BUT WE EXPECT THIS TO GO FORWARD IN THE -- ON FRIDAY.

AN OBSERVATION I WISH TO MAKE TO THE COMMUNITY BEFORE I MOVE TO THE STRATEGIC
PLANNING SECTION.

THE OPERATIONAL PLAN REFLECTS MANY PROJECTS PUT FORWARD BY THE COMMUNITY
WHICH THEY THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT TO MEET OBJECTIVES FOR THIS COMING YEAR.

THE STAFF WILL BE TAKING THOSE PLANS AND INCORPORATING THEM IN A SERIES OF
PROJECT PLANNING WORKSHOPS THROUGHOUT JULY AND INCORPORATING THEM INTO A
WHOLE OF ORGANIZATIONAL PROJECT PLAN IMPLEMENTATION.

I CAN GUARANTEE TO THE COMMUNITY NOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE FINISHED THAT PIECE OF
WORK, WE WILL FIND THAT CERTAIN MONTHS OF THE YEAR ARE WELL OVERCOMMITTED IN
TERMS OF CAPABILITY OR CAPACITY.

SO WE WILL BE REPORTING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY ON SOME TIMELINES ON --
INITIALLY BACK TO THE BOARD -- TIMELINES ON THE STRATEGIC -- ON THESE
PROJECTS IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULES, BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE
TO BE MANAGED, OBVIOUSLY, TO ENSURE THERE'S CAPACITY.

SO THAT'S A PIECE OF WORK THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN DONE, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN
WAITING FOR THE FINALIZATION OF THE OPERATIONAL PLAN BY THE COMMUNITY AND
THEN THE BOARD.

MOVING ON, THEN, TO THE NEW STRATEGIC PLAN, THE -- WE'VE BEGUN THE NEW
PLANNING CYCLE HERE IN MARRAKECH.

THERE HAVE BEEN CONSULTATIONS HELD IN ENGLISH, FRENCH, SPANISH, ARABIC, AND
-- I NEED TO ASSUME THE SPANISH -- HAS THE SPANISH CONSULTATION TAKEN PLACE?

IT HAS, YES.

YES.

THE REASON I ASK IS THAT THE ORIGINAL TIME IT WAS SCHEDULED SEEMED TO HAVE
INTERFERED WITH AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT EVENT FOR LATIN AMERICAN PARTICIPANTS
AND THEY WERE ALL AT A BAR WATCHING A BRAZILIAN SOCCER GAME.

AND -- AND WE HAD TO SHIFT IT AROUND.

FURTHER CONSULTATIONS ONLINE WILL COME NEXT MONTH.

AND WE EXPECT THE STRATEGIC PLAN DRAFT TO BE PRESENTED IN BRAZIL.

I EXPECT, TO BE TRUTHFUL, THAT THAT STRATEGIC PLAN, HAVING BUILT ON THE HARD
WORK THAT WENT INTO LAST YEAR'S PLAN, WILL BE A SOMEWHAT EASIER EVENT THAN
LAST YEAR.

ONE OF THE STRATEGIC ISSUES THAT THE ORGANIZATION IS DEALING WITH THROUGH
THIS YEAR IS THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING.

AND I HAVE SPOKEN TO THIS IN SEVERAL PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY OVER THE LAST
SEVERAL DAYS.

I WILL JUST YET AGAIN POINT OUT THAT THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT IS RUNNING
A PROCESS WHERE IT IS LOOKING FOR INPUT FROM THE AFFECTED STAKEHOLDERS AS TO
THE MATURATION AND LONG-TERM STRENGTH OF THE MULTISTAKEHOLDER MODEL THAT IS
ICANN.

THAT THE -- THAT WE ARE ALSO RUNNING A PARALLEL PROCESS UNDER THE PRESIDENT'S
STRATEGIC ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND.

THE COMMITTEE IS HOSTING CONSULTATIONS ON SORT OF QUESTIONS DIRECTED TOWARDS
THE LONG-TERM STRENGTH OF THE ICANN MODEL.

IT WILL HOLD A WEB-ENABLED, ONLINE CONSULTATION PROCESS ON THE 21ST OF JULY.

AND THERE WILL BE, OBVIOUSLY, FEEDBACK TO THE COMMUNITY ON THAT.

WE EXPECT TO PUT OUT THE DETAILS OF THIS PIECE OF WORK BEFORE THE END OF THE
MEETING.

AND I THINK THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT.

THE COMMITTEE IS ALSO CONTINUING TO EXPAND ITS MEMBERSHIP TO ENSURE THAT IT
IS A FULLY REPRESENTATIVE COMMITTEE.

AND I'M PLEASED TO BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE THAT MEMBERS OF THE ALAC ARE COMING
AND PUTTING TO THE COMMITTEE SOME POTENTIAL NAMES THAT MIGHT ALSO BE INCLUDED
IN THE COMMITTEE'S MEMBERSHIP.

BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR SUGGESTIONS OF NAMES OF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BE VALUABLE
MEMBERS FOR THAT COMMITTEE.

THE COMMITTEE'S MEMBERSHIP TENDS TO BE PEOPLE WHO HAVE A PERSPECTIVE ABOUT
THE ICANN FUNCTION AND MISSION, BUT ALSO A PERSPECTIVE OF THE OUTSIDE
ENVIRONMENT WHICH IS AFFECTING THE WAY IN WHICH ICANN HAS TO OPERATE.

INTERNATIONALIZED DOMAIN NAMES HAS BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE FOR THIS WEEK.

AND PEOPLE HAVE DISCUSSED IT, INSTEAD OF BEING BORING, I'M JUST GOING TO
LEAVE THAT AS A TOPIC THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED IN DETAIL.

I WOULD MAKE THE FOLLOWING OBSERVATION, JUST AS A POTENTIALLY EARLY WARNING
OBSERVATION, POTENTIALLY, TO THE BOARD AND TO OTHERS.

THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION IN SOME OF THESE MEETINGS AND IN CORRIDORS
ABOUT POTENTIALLY THE CONCEPT OF SOME SORT OF PARALLEL TABLE TO THE -- IN IDN
FOR THE ISO3166, PART 1, LIST.

AND THIS -- THERE'S BEEN SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT IN VARIOUS MEETINGS.

AND THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY BEFORE THE MEETING CLOSES, CHAIRMAN, TO HAVE
A MORE DEFINITIVE SUMMATION OF THAT THINKING COME TO THE BOARD.

NOT FOR ANY DECISION, BY THE WAY; JUST SOME SORT OF REPORTING BACK OF THE
EVOLUTION OF THAT THINKING.

I THINK OF THE POLICY DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY PRESENTLY UNDER WAY, CLEARLY THE
MOST IMPORTANT PART IS THE GENERIC -- THE NEW GENERIC TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN
POLICY.

THIS IS -- THIS HAS HAD FURTHER DISCUSSION THIS WEEK.

AND I THINK WE'RE VERY PLEASED THAT THERE IS CERTAINLY AN INCREASING
ENGAGEMENT ACROSS CONSTITUENCIES TO TALK ABOUT, AND SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS,
TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES EARLY ON.

I THINK THE DISCUSSION WITH THE GAC THIS WEEK WAS A VERY VALUABLE ONE.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO ENFORCE.

>>VINT CERF: PAUL, WE'RE HAVING SOME DIFFICULTY HEARING YOU UP HERE.

STEVE CONTE, THE MICROPHONE -- THE SPEAKERS ON THIS SYSTEM NEED TO BE TURNED
UP.

EITHER THAT, OR WE NEED TO ISSUE HEARING AIDS TO EVERYONE ON THE BOARD.

I ALREADY HAVE MINE, BUT -- SO, PAUL, YOU NEED TO DE-AUSTRALIANIZE YOUR
PRESENTATION AND SPEAK MORE CLEARLY THAN USUAL.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

I SUPPOSE I'M SITTING SOMEWHERE IN FRONT OF THE SPEAKER, SO IT SOUNDS
INCREDIBLY LOUD JUST WHERE I AM.

BUT, OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

>>VINT CERF: THERE'S A SPEAKER AIMED NOT TOO FAR OFF YOUR STARBOARD BOW.

AND THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE REASON YOU THINK EVERYTHING IS FINE.

BUT FOR THE REST OF US, IT'S NOT WORKING TOO WELL.

LET'S TRY AGAIN.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: WELL, I SUGGEST WE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, STEVE.

SORRY.

THE -- THE NOTICE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO TO THE BOARD, THAT THE -- THERE
WAS A POLICY PROPOSAL -- GLOBAL POLICY PROPOSAL FOR IPV6 HAS BEEN ADOPTED IN
ALL THE REGIONAL INTERNET REGISTRIES.

THAT THE ASO ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS CURRENTLY REVIEWING THAT GLOBAL POLICY
PROPOSAL FROM A PROCEDURAL PERSPECTIVE.

THE NEXT STEP IS THAT THE ASO ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL FORWARD THAT PROPOSAL
TO THE ICANN BOARD FOR RATIFICATION.

SO THE -- THAT'S JUST A NOTE TO THE COMMUNITY AND A NOTE TO THE BOARD.

POOR STEVE IS RUNNING BACKWARDS AND FORWARDS.

NEXT SLIDE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN, I THINK, A GREAT SUCCESS IN THE
LAST PERIOD SINCE WELLINGTON HAS BEEN THE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF
ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORKS THAT HAVE BEEN SIGNED WITH COUNTRY CODE TOP-LEVEL
DOMAIN MANAGERS.

YOU WILL RECALL THAT THE FIRST OF THESE NEW-GENERATION, IF YOU LIKE,
FRAMEWORKS WAS SIGNED WITH DNIC IN WELLINGTON FOR .DE.

WE HAVE SINCE SIGNED FRAMEWORKS FOR CHILE, NAMIBIA, CHRISTMAS ISLAND, NORFOLK
ISLAND, LATVIA.

BUT I WOULD PARTICULARLY LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE
RECENTLY AT LACTLD (INAUDIBLE) REPRESENTATIVES OF THE CCS OF CHILE AND
MEXICO, WORKING WITH ICANN STAFF TO EVOLVE A MODEL WHICH WOULD BE APPLICABLE
FOR THE LATIN AMERICAN CCTLDS.

I'D NOTE THAT THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER OF EUROPEAN CCTLDS IN CONVERSATION
AROUND THESE ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORKS, THAT WE'VE HAD APPROACHES FROM
OTHERS.

SO THIS SEEMS TO BE BUILDING SOME MOMENTUM.

AND I THINK IT'S SHOWING THAT THE SORT OF -- THE MODEL THAT WE HAVE HELPED
DEVELOP WITH THE ADVICE OF THE CCNSO'S MEMBERS, OR THE BORDER GROUP EARLY ON,
HAS NOW PROVED TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER DAVID IS ACTUALLY DUE TO SPEAK TO THE PUBLIC SESSION OR
NOT ON THE IANA.

I THINK THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA.

>>VINT CERF: YES, HE IS SCHEDULED, PROBABLY IN THE 2:00 TO 3:00 TIME FRAME.
>>PAUL TWOMEY: WELL, THEN I SUGGEST I WON'T SPEAK TO THE IANA AND I'LL LEAVE
IT FOR DAVID TO PRESENT.

I THINK ALSO I WILL LEAVE THE ALAC, ANY COMMENT ON THE ALAC, TO THE ALAC
THEMSELVES, WHO ARE DUE TO SPEAK I THINK NOW TOMORROW TO THE BOARD.

>>VINT CERF: THEY'RE DUE TO SPEAK TODAY.
>>PAUL TWOMEY: I THINK, CHAIRMAN, THEIR REQUEST IS THAT THEY COULD ACTUALLY
SHIFT ON THE AGENDA, IF THEY COULD MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TOMORROW MORNING.
>>VINT CERF: THAT HADN'T REACHED ME.

SO I'LL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANK YOU.

I'D LIKE TO FINISH, CHAIRMAN, WITH A LITTLE REPORT ON THE -- ICANN'S REGIONAL
LIAISONS.

THE TEAM HAS BEEN ON BOARD SINCE JANUARY.

WE HAVE REGIONAL LIAISONS FOR THE MIDDLE EAST, SOMEBODY BASED IN CAIRO; FOR
EUROPE, SOMEBODY BASED BOTH IN PISA AND BRUSSELS; FOR LATIN AMERICA, BASED IN
MEXICO CITY; AND ALSO FOR CANADA AND THE CARIBBEAN.

AND WHILE WE ARE WORKING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TEETHING PROBLEMS, I THINK SO
FAR, THE PROGRAM HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL.

THESE REGIONAL LIAISONS HAVE WORKED UP BUSINESS PLANS FOR THEIR INITIATIVES.

THEIR BUSINESS PLANS, A KEY PART OF THEM IS ALIGNING WITH ORGANIZATIONS AND
MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY IN THEIR OWN REGION.

WE'RE VERY, VERY COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT THIS PROGRAM IS A COMPLEMENTARY
ONE TO THE REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THAT ALREADY EXIST AND THERE'S GOING TO BE
NO SENSE OF COMPETITION TO THE EXISTING REGIONAL ORGANIZATIONS, BUT, RATHER,
TO BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THEM.

ONE OF THE BIG AREAS, I THINK, WE'RE SEEING IS JUST IN COMMUNICATION AND
HELPING AN UNDERSTANDING OF ISSUES THAT ARE EMERGING IN AN ICANN CONTEXT OR
AN INTERNET GOVERNANCE CONTEXT.

I THINK ALSO A KEY ROLE HAS BEEN TO HELP IN COORDINATION OF SOME OF THE
TRAINING ROLES THAT ICANN STAFF DO, PARTICULARLY JOHN CRAIN, IN CAPABILITY
DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS PART OF SOME OF THE ROLES WE PLAY, OFTEN, IN
CONJUNCTION WITH REGIONAL CC ORGANIZATIONS, OR ISOC, OR OTHER SPECIALIST
GROUPS.

THE RESPONSE SO FAR I THINK FROM STAKEHOLDERS HAS BEEN GENERALLY POSITIVE. I
WAS JUST IN THE ALAC MEETING WHERE SEVERAL MEMBERS STRONGLY SAID HOW MUCH
THEY APPRECIATED THE REGIONAL LIAISONS. AND OBVIOUSLY ONE OF THE TASKS THEY
HAVE IS TO HELP WITH THE -- HELP THE ALAC MEMBERS IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE
REGIONAL AT-LARGE ORGANIZATIONS.

SO THAT'S A PROCESS GROWING, MOVING SLOWLY, LEARNING STEP BY STEP. BUT I
THINK SO FAR, HAS PROVEN TO BE VERY USEFUL.

I THINK FOR THE TIME BEING, CHAIRMAN, THAT FINISHES MY REPORT.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PAUL.

BEFORE WE TAKE THE NEXT REPORT FROM KURT PRITZ, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS
TO SAY.

I WANT TO INTRODUCE DAVE WODELET WHO IS THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TABLE.
DAVE IS THE ASO NOMINEE REPLACING MOUHAMET DIOP, ALTHOUGH MOUHAMET IS NOT
REPLACEABLE, SARTORIALLY SPEAKING. HE IS, ACCORDING TO ALL REPORTS, THE MOST
POPULAR MEMBER OF THE BOARD WHENEVER THERE ARE TV INTERVIEWS AVAILABLE
BECAUSE OF HIS SPECTACULAR ATTIRE. AND YOU CAN SEE HIM SMILING BACK THERE IN
THE -- HE IS SMILING BECAUSE HE'S NOT UP HERE, IS WHAT I THINK.

BUT THANK YOU, MOUHAMET, FOR YOUR SERVICE, AND THANK YOU, DAVID, FOR
ACCEPTING THIS TASK.

I ALSO AM PLEASED TO TELL YOU THAT THE GNSO HAS RATIFIED RITA RODIN'S
REPLACEMENT. MIKE PALAGE WHO IS DOWN IN THE FRONT THERE, IS TO BE REPLACED
BY RITA WHO WILL JOIN US PROBABLY TOMORROW, IF WE CAN FIND HER. SHE IS OUT
ENJOYING MARRAKECH, THE LAST I HEARD, UNLESS SHE IS HIDING IN THE ROOM HERE
SOMEWHERE, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN HER.

SO SHE HAS ONE DAY OF FREEDOM BEFORE HER SENTENCE BEGINS -- SORRY, TERM
BEGINS.

ALL RIGHT. KURT PRITZ, WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THE OPERATIONAL
PLAN FOR FY '05-'06.

SORRY, THIS SHOULD BE '06 HAD BEEN '07.

>>KURT PRITZ: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AS MANY OF YOU SAW THE 2006 FLAMES
FLICKER OUT LAST NIGHT, I THOUGHT OF THE CHALLENGES AND HARD WORK THAT NEEDED
TO BE DONE.

JUST BRIEFLY, IN THE PAST FISCAL YEAR OUR CASH REVENUES ARE SLIGHTLY OVER
PROJECTIONS ASSOCIATION THAT IS GOOD. OUR OPERATING EXPENSES ARE UNDERRUN
SOMEWHAT. THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD THING. IT'S SORT OF AN INDICATION
THAT THINGS AREN'T GETTING DONE.

THE REASON OPERATING EXPENSES ARE UNDERRUNNING IS BECAUSE OF A LAG IN
RECEIVING REVENUES COINCIDENT WITH THE START OF THE FISCAL YEAR.

SO DUE TO THE TIMING OF FEE APPROVALS AND CORRESPONDING, THEN, THE DELAY IN
INVOICES REQUIRED US TO DELAY SOME SPENDING.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE RESULT IS A CONTRIBUTION TO RESERVES THAT WILL
RESULT AT THE END OF THE YEAR OF ABOUT A 3.3 MONTH RUN RATE, OR 8 AND A HALF
MILLION DOLLARS. SO THAT'S A SUBSTANTIAL STEP TO A GOAL OF HAVING A YEAR'S
WORTH OF REVENUE IN RESERVES, WHICH WE THINK IS THE APPROPRIATE SORT OF
AMOUNT.

THIS ELABORATE GRAPHIC DEMONSTRATES THE STRATEGIC AND OPERATING AND BUDGET
PLANNING CYCLE AND ITS CYCLICAL NATURE. PAUL HAS ALREADY DESCRIBED IT AS THE
FIRST SIX MONTHS OF THE FISCAL YEAR SO NOT ONLY IS THE GRAPH NOT ELABORATE,
IT'S NOT TO SCALE EITHER.

THE STRATEGIC PLAN HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD, AND THEN THE OPERATING
PLAN IS DERIVED FROM THAT.

IT IS THE ONE-YEAR ACTION PLAN FOR THAT. I'LL DESCRIBE THAT LATER.

AND THEN THE PROJECTS IN THE OPERATING PLAN ARE COSTED OUT IN ORDER TO
DEVELOP THE ICANN BUDGET.

SO JUST BRIEFLY, THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS INTENSIVE CONSULTATIVE PROCESS. LAST
YEAR ALSO WE HELD CONSULTATIONS IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. THERE WERE SEVERAL
REVISIONS OF THE PLAN, AND THEN IT WAS FINALLY PUBLISHED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD.

SO I DON'T NEED TO READ THAT.

PAUL'S -- PAUL AND I DIDN'T COLLABORATE ON OUR PRESENTATIONS, BUT THIS IS THE
TIME LINE. THE COMMENT I WILL ADD IS THE REVISED OPERATING PLAN WAS
SUBSTANTIALLY REVISED. THERE WERE EXTENSIVE CONSULTATIONS, AND WE POSTED
CLEAN AND RED-LINE VERSIONS THE OPERATING PLAN SO THE CHANGES WERE APPARENT.

AND COMMUNITY INPUT AFFECTED THE PLAN SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO AS I SAID, THE OPERATING PLAN IS A ONE-YEAR PLAN AND IT IS COMPOSED AS
PAUL DESCRIBED AS A SERIES OF PROJECTS, EACH OF IS WHICH TO BE BACKED UP BY A
PROJECT SCHEDULE.

THERE ARE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN AND SCHEDULE THIS YEAR THAT
WERE INSTITUTED BASED ON FEEDBACK WE HAVE GOTTEN IN THESE MEETINGS.

FIRST, THAT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THE OPERATING PLAN ARE LINKED. SO IF YOU
GET ONLINE AND LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND CLICK ON A STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE
IT WILL TAKE YOU TO THE CORRESPONDING PROJECTS IN THE OPERATING PLAN THAT GO
TO ACHIEVING THAT STRATEGIC OBJECTIVE.

WE HAVE ALSO INDIVIDUALLY BUDGETED FOR EACH OF THE OPERATING PLAN PROJECTS.

WE BUDGETED THEM TO THE DEGREE OF GRANULARITY WE THOUGHT WE COULD ACTUALLY
MEASURE GIVEN THE PRESENT ACCOUNTING SYSTEMS WE HAVE. WE ARE WORKING TO
IMPROVE THOSE. SO EACH PROJECT HAS BEEN BUDGETED FOR IN TERMS OF FTES THAT
WILL BE EMPLOYED IN THE PROJECT, AND THEN OTHER DOLLAR ITEMS, SUCH AS TRAVEL
OR CONSULTANTS OR EQUIPMENT AND THE LIKE.

AND FINALLY, THE LAST IMPROVEMENT WAS TO DESCRIBE SPECIFIC OUTCOMES FOR EACH
PROJECT. AS PAUL ALSO DISCUSSED, WE ARE RIGHT NOW ENTERING INTO A PROJECT
PLANNING PHASE WHERE THOSE OUTCOMES WILL BE TAILORED TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE
TIMED TO MATCH OUR STAFF AND DOLLAR CAPABILITIES, AND SO THAT WE CAN PLAN FOR
SUCCESS.

THE OPERATING PLAN WAS REVIEWED IN WELLINGTON. THERE WERE SEVERAL
CONSULTATIONS. THERE WAS A GENERAL OPEN MEETING CONSULTATION, AND THEN WE
MET WITH SEVERAL INDEPENDENT CONSTITUENCIES, OR SEVERAL CONSTITUENCIES
INDEPENDENTLY, LET'S PUT IT THAT WAY.

AND THAT'S -- COMING FROM THAT IS WHAT GENERATED THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE
TO THE OPERATING PLAN.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE MOST RECENT CHANGES TO THE OPERATING PLAN AND THE BUDGET
AT THAT LINK. THEY ARE PRESENTLY IN PDF, SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. BUT THEN
ONCE THE PLANS ARE FINAL, THEN WE'LL PUT THEM BACK IN HTML.

WE ARE ADDING ONE ADDITIONAL PROJECT THAT WAS LEFT OFF THE LIST BASED ON SOME
CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE HAD HERE, AND THAT IS TO ENSURE WE HAVE ALLOTTED FOR
THE IMPLEMENTATION OF RECOMMENDATIONS MADE IN THE GNSO EVALUATION REPORT,
WHICH IS EXPECTED SHORTLY. SORT OF AN INTERESTING FACT AND A SORT OF TEST IS
THAT THE PROJECTS WHEN SUMMED UP COMPRISE ABOUT HALF OF THE ICANN BUDGET. SO
THE ICANN BUDGET IS MADE OF TWO SEGMENTS, THE PROJECTS IN THE OPERATING PLAN
AND THEN WHAT I CALL BUSINESS AS USUAL.

BUSINESS AS USUAL ISN'T JUST OVERHEAD SUCH AS FINANCE AND H.R. IT'S ALSO
DAY-TO-DAY IANA ROOT MANAGEMENT TASKS OR REGISTRAR LIAISON TASKS AND THE
LIKE. SO THERE ARE DIRECT COSTS THERE, TOO, BUT BALANCING THE PROJECT BUDGET
WITH THE NON-PROJECT, A SPLIT OF 50/50 SEEMS ABOUT RIGHT TO ME IN COMPARISONS
WITH OTHER OPERATIONS, ALTHOUGH THERE ARE NOT MANY OPERATIONS WITH WHICH TO
COMPARE ICANN.

NOW I AM GOING TO BRIEFLY REVIEW FOR YOU AND GIVE YOU A TASTE OF SOME OF THE
PROJECTS WE ARE UNDERTAKING. AND THESE AREN'T ACTUALLY PROJECTS THEMSELVES
BUT THEY ARE SORT OF HEADINGS OVER PROJECTS.

SOME OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND THIS IS
WHAT THE MONEY IS FOR.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IANA PERFORMANCE. ALSO IN THE GTLD REGISTRY
AND REGISTRAR CUSTOMER SERVICE FUNCTIONS, AND ALSO FOR END USERS.

WE WANT TO DEVELOP PROCEDURES FOR DEVELOPING WITH POTENTIAL BUSINESS FAILURE.
NOW....

SORRY ABOUT THIS.

OKAY.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE ICANN CONTINGENCY PLAN. THESE TWO LAST THINGS. AND
ALSO FOR REGISTRY AND REGISTRAR.

WE WANT TO IMPROVE OUR ACCOUNTABILITY. WE'RE GOING TO AUGMENT OUR ACCOUNTING
SOFTWARE TO BETTER MANAGE OURSELVES AND BETTER MANAGE OUR PROJECTS AND ALSO
IMPLEMENT PROJECT MANAGEMENT TOOLS SO WE CAN ESTABLISH GANTT CHARTS, TIME
LINES, MILESTONES AND GOALS SO WE CAN MEASURE OURSELVES. AND WE WANT
ANALYSIS OF TECHNICAL ADVICE. IN ALL OF OUR POLICY SUPPORT UNDERTAKINGS AND
MANY OF THE OPERATIONAL UNDERTAKINGS, THE ACCESS TO AN ECONOMIST OR
STATISTICIAN OR SOME SORT OF EXPERT ADVICE IS LACKING. AND WITH A BROADER
BUDGET, ICANN CAN FINALLY DO THOSE THINGS THAT ARE SO IMPORTANT TO SUPPORTING
THE CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE REACHED.

NOW, FINALLY, AS ICANN GROWS AND THE DNS GROWS, WE WANT TO ANALYZE THAT
GROWTH TO ENSURE THAT ICANN CAN SCALE SUITABLY AND PROPORTIONALLY BUT NOT TOO
MUCH IN ORDER TO MEET THAT DEMAND.

THESE ARE PROBABLY THE KEY PROJECTS THAT ICANN IS WORKING TOWARD, MAKING
SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS THIS YEAR.

SO EVEN THOUGH THE FONT IS SMALLER ON THEM, THAT DOESN'T DIMINISH THEIR
IMPORTANCE. AND IN FACT, THIS MIGHT BE THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDES.

TINA IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT INTERNATIONALIZED DOMAIN NAMES LATER. I
THINK -- WELL, SHE'LL TALK ABOUT PROGRESS. I THINK WE'LL FINALLY GETTING OUT
IN FRONT THERE A LITTLE BIT. IT SEEMS THAT STAFF IS NOW RATTLING FOR ACTION
MORE THAN NONSTAFF. SO WE'RE GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF THAT ARGUMENT.

MANY OF YOU ATTENDED THE DNS WORKSHOP THAT OCCURRED HERE EARLIER THIS
MORNING. PAUL DESCRIBED THE SIGNIFICANT POLICY UNDERTAKINGS THAT, WHEN
COMPLETED, WILL BE PASSED OVER TO OPERATIONS AND SERVICES IN ORDER TO
IMPLEMENT THAT POLICY, SUCH AS THE INTRODUCTION OF NEW TLDS AND WHOIS POLICY.

AND THEN FINALLY, MANY OF YOU ATTENDED ALSO THE WORKSHOP WE HAD REGARDING DNS
MARKET BEHAVIOR. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION, AND IT WAS
TARGETED WELL. YOU KNOW, IT'S EXACTLY THE SORT OF THING WE HAVE ICANN
MEETINGS FOR, I THINK.

AND POLICY DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN, WE NEED TO EXPAND OUR ACCESS TO EXPERTISE SO
THAT WE MAKE WELL-INFORMED POLICY DECISIONS.

AND THEN I THINK SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE POLICY
DEVELOPMENT ORGANIZATION AND STAFF AND PROCESSES RECENTLY. AND THERE ARE
SEVERAL UNDERTAKINGS THERE TO IMPROVE THE POLICY DEVELOPMENT SUPPORT PROCESS.
AMONG THEM, IMPLEMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS RESULTING FROM THE GNSO REVIEW,
AND ALSO DEVELOPING A PROCESS WHEREBY DIFFERENT SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS CAN
INTERACT AND CONTRIBUTE TO ONE POLICY DEVELOPMENT EFFORT.

REGARDING INTERNATIONAL PARTICIPATION IN LANGUAGE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO
IMPROVE THE ABILITY OF STAKEHOLDERS TO IMPROVE IN LANGUAGES OTHER THAN
ENGLISH. WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT APPROACHING U.N. OR E.C. PROPORTIONS HERE.
OUR BUDGET FOR TRANSLATIONS IS VERY MODEST. HOWEVER, FOR EXAMPLE, UTILIZING
EXISTING STAFF AT THIS MEETING, WE WERE ABLE TO HOLD MULTILINGUAL STRATEGIC
PLAN CONSULTING PROCESSES AT ESSENTIALLY NO ADDITIONAL COST. SO THERE'S A
WAY TO ACCOMPLISH THESE GOALS WITHOUT A LOT OF COST.

AND THEN PAUL DESCRIBED SOME OF THE WORK THAT, SAY, JOHN CRAIN HAS UNDERTAKEN
IN THE REGIONAL LIAISONS AND WORKING WITH LOCAL INTERNET COMMUNITIES.

THESE HEADINGS, BY THE WAY, I SHOULD HAVE PREFACED THIS PART OF THE
DISCUSSION, THESE HEADINGS ARE FROM THE STRATEGIC PLAN OBJECTIVES AND THE
STRATEGIC PLAN HEADINGS THEMSELVES CAME FROM THE CONSULTATIONS WE HAD WITH
THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE FIRST UNDERTOOK TO WRITE THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

AND SO WE WANT TO IMPROVE AND DEEPEN PARTICIPATION IN THIS OUT OF OUR
CONSULTATIONS ON THE OPERATING PLAN. WE AGREED THAT THIS WOULD BE DONE IN A
CONSULTATIVE MANNER WITH THE EXISTING CONSTITUENCY GROUPS. BUT TO IMPROVE
AND BROADEN PARTICIPATION BY THESE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, OR TO ADD
ADDITIONAL MEMBERS TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND WE WANT TO DEVELOP AND ENHANCE THE COMMUNICATION PLAN. PAUL LEVINS
RECENTLY JOINED THE STAFF, SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVING OUR COMMUNICATIONS. HIS
EFFORTS WILL BE AUGMENTED BY A DIRECTOR OF COMMUNICATIONS? I FORGOT THE TITLE
BUT IT'S REQUIRED. BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE FIRST FEW DAYS OF THE ICANN
MEETING, ICANN IS IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION TO DO THAT.

ONE OF THE UNDERTAKINGS HERE IS TO IMPROVE THE WEB SITES. I THINK THE IANA
WEB SITE WILL BE THE FIRST IMPROVED WEB SITE YOU'LL SEE, AND THEN WE'LL
CONTINUE TO SPREAD THAT THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: KURT, WERE YOU THINKING OF THE MANAGER OF PARTICIPATION?
>>KURT PRITZ: YES. THANK YOU.
>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: YOU ARE VERY WELCOME.
>>KURT PRITZ: I CAN SAY THAT NINE OUT OF TEN TIMES.

AND THEN FINALLY ON THIS ONE, WE UNDERTOOK WHEN WE FIRST WROTE THE OPERATING
PLAN IN THE FIRST DRAFT TO DEVELOP SOME SORT OF METRICS ON MEASURING ICANN'S
OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCIES. AND DEVELOPING SOME MECHANISM FOR MEASURING
THAT SO WE COULD SELF-MEASURE AGAINST WHAT THE STANDARD FOR OPENNESS AND
TRANSPARENCY WAS. AND THEN, IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, MAKE IMPROVEMENT, OR PAT
OURSELVES ON THE BACK.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE LAST OBJECTIVE, MAJOR OBJECTIVE IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN
IN THE SET OF OPERATING OBJECTIVES GO TO SATISFYING THE REMAINING ELEMENTS IN
THE MOU.

MOST OF THE OBJECTIVES LAID OUT IN THE MOU HAVE BEEN SATISFIED.

PAUL DESCRIBED, OF THE REMAINING ONES, PAUL DESCRIBED RECENT SUCCESSES IN
REACHING AGREEMENTS ON ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORKS WITH SEVERAL CCTLD MANAGERS.

ANOTHER REMAINING OBJECTIVE WOULD BE TO IMPLEMENT THE POLICY FOR THE
INTRODUCTION OF NEW GTLDS, WHICH IS DESCRIBED IN THE MOU.

AND THEN FINALLY, THE MOU REQUIRES ICANN TO WRITE A CONTINGENCY PLAN. AND
WHILE WE SATISFIED THAT OBJECTIVE, THERE'S SOME SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE WITH
FULLY IMPLEMENTING A CONTINGENCY PLAN TO REALIZE THE FULL GEOGRAPHICAL
DIVERSITY OF EQUIPMENT AND PROCESSES REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMPETENT CONTINGENCY
PLAN. SO WE WILL UNDERTAKE TO DO THAT.

AND THEN WE ARE PRESENTLY REVIEWING THE ICANN STRUCTURE AMONG THE COMMUNITY
TO DETERMINE THE BEST MODEL FOR MOVING FORWARD.

SO HERE'S SOME NUMBERS. A LITTLE BIT OUT OF SYNC. BUT THE TOTAL EXPENDITURE
BUDGET IS 30.97 MILLION WITH REVENUES 3 MILLION IN EXCESS OF THAT, SO THAT'S
THE CONTRIBUTION TO RESERVES.

SOME OF THE SIGNIFICANT SOURCES OF REVENUE ARE THE REGISTRARS WITH THEIR
APPROVAL OF THE FEES.

PRESENTLY SET AT 25 CENTS PER TRANSACTION. AND A PER REGISTRAR SORT OF FIXED
FEE WHICH WILL BE BETWEEN 5- AND $13,000 DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF
REGISTRARS AT THE TIME OF INVOICING.

SO YOU CAN SEE THE REGISTRARS ARE STILL A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE BUDGET
AND SUPPLY MOST OF THE RESOURCES TO ICANN.

GTLD REGISTRY FEES HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS,
AND THEY HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED IN SEPARATE CONTRACTS WITH EACH OF THE GTLD
REGISTRIES, EITHER IN THE FORM OF NEW AGREEMENTS FOR THE STLDS OR RENEWAL
AGREEMENTS, AS YOU KNOW.

THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THE GTLD REGISTRANT, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, SEES MOST
OF THE ICANN BUDGET.

SOME OF THE EXPENDITURE DETAIL, AND I WANT TO REMARK THAT THE BUDGET THIS
YEAR IS FAIRLY RICH IN DETAIL. THE PROJECT BUDGETS, THE BUDGETS FOR EACH OF
THE PROJECTS, THERE'S ABOUT 54 OF THEM OR SO, ARE EACH LAID OUT IN THE
BUDGET. SO WHILE THIS DETAIL IS AT A HIGHER LEVEL AND NOT, PERHAPS, USEFUL
FOR ANALYSIS, GOING BACK INTO THE BUDGET YOU CAN SEE THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL
THAT WILL HELP YOU SORT OUT WHERE THE MONEY IS BEING SPENT AND HOW.

I THINK IT'S -- ONE NOTE OF SIGNIFICANCE IS WHILE THE BUDGET INCREASE THIS
YEAR, WE MANAGED TO HOLD THE ADMINISTRATION BUDGET DOWN TO ONLY A 3% INCREASE
BY ECONOMICALLY CONSERVING SPACE AND USE OF EXISTING FACILITIES AND THE LIKE.

SO WHY ARE REVENUES INCREASING? WELL, ALL THIS STUFF IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO
DO IT RIGHT.

IANA IMPROVEMENTS IN PERFORMANCE AND REPORTING REQUIRE STAFF, AND THEY
REQUIRE SOFTWARE AND APPLICATIONS. WE INTEND TO WRITE AN APPLICATION SO EACH
CCTLD OR GTLD CUSTOMER CAN ACCESS THE STATUS OF THEIR OWN REQUEST FOR
SERVICES, AND AUTOMATICALLY REPORT DATA.

THE CONTRACTUAL COMPLIANCE STAFFING WILL BE SIGNIFICANT. IT WILL BE A
STANDALONE DEPARTMENT RATHER THAN BE PART OF THE REGISTRAR OR REGISTRY
LIAISON STAFF. AND THAT IS TO GIVE IT THE INDEPENDENCE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO
PERFORM ITS ROLE.

DATA ESCROW IS A CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION. DATA ESCROW FOR REGISTRARS IS A
CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION FOR ICANN WHICH HAS NEVER BEEN QUITE FULFILLED BECAUSE
IT'S AN EXPENSIVE THING TO DO. NOW WE THINK WE CAN UNDERTAKE THAT.

MANY WAYS WE CONTACT CCTLD MANAGERS OR REGISTRARS OR OTHER CUSTOMERS OF OURS
ARE THROUGH A DATABASE THAT AREN'T ADEQUATE OR ACCURATE. AND UPGRADING THOSE
DATABASES AND PUTTING THEM ON ADEQUATE SERVERS AND OTHER HARDWARE IS
EXPENSIVE.

IDN TLD DEPLOYMENT IS SORT OF A MICROCOSM FOR ME OF THE WHOLE ICANN
EXPERIENCE. IN MY PRIOR EMPLOYMENT I WORKED FOR A FAIRLY LARGE PROJECT-BASED
ORGANIZATION. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN OUR ORGANIZATION, THE IDN TEAM WOULD
PROBABLY BE AT LEAST 20 WITH A NUMBER OF CONSULTANTS I'VE WORKED WITH OTHER
COMPANIES IN DIFFERENT CULTURES WHERE THE IDN DEPLOYMENT TEAM WOULD PROBABLY
BE 50 OR A HUNDRED.

HOW IS ICANN GOING TO DO THIS WITH A FULL-TIME STAFF OF FIVE? WELL, WE
LEVERAGE THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM, AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE WORK THAT
ESPECIALLY THE TECHNICAL -- THE TECHNICAL COMMUNITY IS UNDERTAKING AND THE
DIFFICULT -- THE VERY DIFFICULT PUZZLES TO BE FIGURED OUT IN POLICY
DEVELOPMENT.

SO IDN DEPLOYMENT IS AN EXPENSIVE THING BECAUSE IT'S SEVERAL FULL-TIME STAFF,
SEVERAL FULL-TIME CONSULTANTS AND THE LIKE. BUT ICANN WILL DO IT EFFECTIVELY
BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO LEVERAGE THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO WHILE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY IN THIS BUDGET THERE ARE THINGS
THAT GET DONE IN A VERY EFFECTIVE WAY, I THINK.

NEW GTLD IMPLEMENTATION IS A COMPLEX TASK REQUIRING LEGAL ANALYSIS,
TRANSLATION, AND TECHNICAL WORK.

I TOUCHED ON HAVING ACCESS TO ECONOMICAL AND STATISTICAL EXPERTISE. IT'S
VERY IMPORTANT TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. WE ARE UPGRADING OUR ACCOUNTING
AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT TOOLS IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO IMPROVE ACCOUNTABILITY
ACROSS THE STAFF.

WE WILL, IN HOURS, I THINK, POST A PROCESS FOR CONSIDERATION OF NEW REGISTRY
SERVICES, AND THE PROCESS FOR IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT RECENTLY CONSIDERED
POLICY. THAT IS AN EXPENSIVE UNDERTAKING GIVEN THE -- GIVEN THE LIKELIHOOD
THAT SEVERAL NEW REGISTRY SERVICES APPLICATIONS WILL GO THROUGH A TECHNICAL
REVIEW.

I DESCRIBED POLICY DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENT REQUIRING MORE STAFF AND EXPERTS,
AND AS PART OF THAT WE'RE DOING SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION REVIEWS, FOR WHICH
WE'RE ENGAGING OUTSIDE INDEPENDENT BUT HIGHLY -- AND HIGHLY REGARDED FIRMS.
WE'RE UPGRADING OUR WEB SITES. I THINK EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT THAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE.

MEASURING TRANSPARENCY. THE EXPENSE ASSOCIATED WITH CONTINGENCY PLANNING OR,
MORE ACCURATELY, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CONTINGENCY PLAN IS WHAT I
DESCRIBED EARLIER.

IN THE WELLINGTON MEETING WE RECEIVED SEVERAL REQUESTS FOR TRAVEL ASSISTANCE
FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. AS BUDGETS GET TIGHTER, THOSE PEOPLE WE RELY
ON HEAVILY FIND IT MORE DIFFICULT TO GET SPONSORED FOR THESE TRIPS BY THEIR
EMPLOYERS OR THEIR SPONSORS. AND IN ORDER TO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE THE BENEFIT
OF THESE PEOPLE, WE WANT TO ROLL OUT A VERY CAREFULLY MANAGED AND MONITORED
TRAVEL ASSISTANCE POLICY.

AND THEN JUST SKIPPING DOWN TO THE LAST ONE, WE WANT TO WORK HARD ON A TLD
ACCEPTANCE PROGRAM. TLD STRINGS ARE LONGER WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF STLDS,
AND THEY WILL BE EVEN LONGER, PORTABLE, WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF IDNS AND
PUNYCODE.

SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT UNDERTAKING.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, KURT.

WE HAVE SOME TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR AND THE BOARD, SO I'LL
ENTERTAIN THOSE NOW FOR BOTH KURT AND PAUL FOR THEIR RESPECTIVE REPORTS, IF
THERE ARE ANY.

THE CHAIR RECOGNIZES FORMER BOARD MEMBER MICHAEL PALAGE. THANK YOU, MICHAEL.
LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE RECOVERED.

>>MICHAEL PALAGE: HELLO? THE ON SWITCH. IT'S AN AMAZING FEATURE.

THIS IS A QUESTION DIRECTED TO PAUL IN THE PRESIDENT'S REPORT. FIRST,
CONGRATULATIONS, PAUL, ON YOUR NEW TERM.

A QUESTION ON YOUR REPORT, FIRST, AND THIS IS A QUESTION I MADE DURING MY
PREVIOUS BOARD TERM. I THINK THERE IS A REAL NEED TO MAKE YOUR AND OTHER
REPORTS AVAILABLE IN ADVANCE OF THESE SESSIONS. I THINK THE RATHER LIGHT
ATTENDANCE IN THIS ROOM MIGHT BE REMEDIED IF PEOPLE HAD THE ABILITY TO REVIEW
THESE REPORTS IN ADVANCE OF THE ACTUAL SESSION.

ALTHOUGH AS AN AMERICAN LAWYER WHO KNOWS ONLY ONE LANGUAGE, ENGLISH, I AM A
LITTLE MORE ADEPT AT THINKING ON THE FLY.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE CHALLENGING FOR PEOPLE WHOSE PRIMARY LANGUAGE IS
NOT ENGLISH.

CONSIDERING NJERI IS NOT HERE, I THOUGHT I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT
METRICS REGARDING THESE VARIOUS EXPENDITURES. IT'S NICE TO KNOW IN YOUR
PRESENTATION THAT EACH LIAISON HAS TO HAVE A BUSINESS PLAN.

I WAS WONDERING IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMUNITY THESE
BUSINESS PLANS OR METRICS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE INITIATIVES.

YOU NOTED THE OUTREACH TO CIVIL SOCIETY'S BUSINESS AND GOVERNMENTS. AS A
MEMBER OF THE GNSO BUSINESS COMMUNITY I WOULD WELCOME NEW PARTICIPANTS WITHIN
THAT CONSTITUENCY.

ALTHOUGH I REALIZE THAT NOT ALL BUSINESS INTERESTS LIE WITHIN THE GNSO SINCE
OVER 95% OF ICANN'S PROPOSED REVENUE IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE GTLD SPACE, I WOULD
HOPE THAT THESE REGIONAL INITIATIVES WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECT
SUPPORTS TO THAT REPORTING ORGANIZATION. THAT'S WHY I THINK THE NEED FOR
PUBLICLY AVAILABLE METRICS IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY IN CONNECTION
WITH THE STRATEGIC AND OPERATIONAL PLANNING CYCLES. THANK YOU.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANKS, MICHAEL. I THINK WE CAN TAKE BOTH SUGGESTIONS ON
NOTICE. I THINK THEY ARE GOOD ONES.

I THINK IN TERMS OF -- IN TERMS OF THE LAST QUESTION YOU HAVE ASKED, YES, WE
DO HAVE METRICS AND I THINK WE CERTAINLY SHOULD TRY TO INCORPORATE THOSE INTO
A BROADER INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH TO CONCLUDE, WHICH IS
ESTABLISHING AN ICANN DASHBOARD, WHICH IS VISIBLE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A
WHOLE.

AND THAT -- I THINK THAT'S RIGHT, THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS SHOULD BE UP ON
THAT DASHBOARD.

SO I THINK THEY ARE BOTH GOOD SUGGESTIONS, AND I THINK WE SHOULD JUST TAKE
THEM ON NOTE, AND I THINK WE HAVE TALKED, CERTAINLY AND LEADING UP TO THIS
MEETING, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT GETTING MORE OF THE PRESENTATIONS
POSTED PRIOR TO HERE, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING WE SHOULD WORK ON.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, PAUL, AND THANK YOU MICHAEL. OF COURSE SOME OF THE
REPORTS MIGHT BE HARD TO GET AHEAD OF TIME, LIKE THE GNSO COUNCIL REPORT,
THINGS THAT HAPPEN HERE, BUT I THINK YOU ARE QUITE RIGHT THAT THE PRESIDENT'S
REPORT AND THE OPERATIONAL STATUS REPORTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT COULD BE
PREPARED AHEAD OF TIME.

SO THANKS FOR THAT SUGGESTION.

OTHER QUESTIONS. QUESTION?

>>CHUCK GOMES: YES, CHUCK GOMES FROM VERISIGN.

HAVING SERVED ON THE BUDGET ADVISORY GROUP I BELIEVE SINCE ITS ORIGINATION
MANY YEARS AGO, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMPLIMENT TO STAFF FOR THE VERY, VERY
SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS IN THE BUDGET AND OPERATIONAL PLAN, THE WHOLE CYCLE.
THE INCREASED DETAIL IS A HUGE STEP FROM WHAT IT WAS BEFORE. AND I, FOR ONE,
APPRECIATE ALL THE EFFORTS THAT WENT INTO THAT. AND I KNOW IT WILL CONTINUE
TO BE IMPROVED AS YOU HAVE MORE TIME. BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT WAS VERY, VERY
SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS IN THIS CYCLE.

>>VINT CERF: THANKS VERY MUCH, CHUCK. I KNOW THAT A BOUQUET NOW AND THEN TO
GO ALONG WITH A FEW BRICK BATHS IS ALWAYS APPRECIATED.

PAUL AND THEN RAIMUNDO.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANKS VERY MUCH, CHUCK. CAN I ALSO JUST SAY THAT I THINK
ANOTHER THING WHICH IS A FEATURE OF THIS OPERATIONAL PLAN HAS ALSO BEEN THE
EXCHANGE OF THE GROUP WHICH HAS BEEN CONSULTED IN THE PROCESS, SO THAT THOSE
CONSULTATIONS TOOK PLACE WITH EACH ONE OF THE CONSTITUENCIES AND GENERALLY.

SO I THINK THERE'S ALSO NOT ONLY A DEEPENING OF THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE,
THERE'S ALSO A WIDENING FROM THE SORT OF REPRESENTATIONAL ASPECT. SO IT'S
BEEN A DEEPENING AS WELL AS A WIDENING, I THINK.

>>VINT CERF: RAIMUNDO AND THEN SUSAN CRAWFORD.
>>RAIMUNDO BECA: THANKS, VINT. TWO COMMENTS. ONE GOES TO PAUL AND THE OTHER
ONE GOES TO PAUL AND KURT.

THE ONE TO PAUL IS THE PRECISION THAT THE -- ON THE IPV6 GLOBAL POLICY, THE
ADDRESS COUNCIL WOULD NOT MAKE A REVIEW OF THE POLICY BUT IT ALWAYS -- IT
WILL ONLY MAKE A CHECK POINT THAT ALL THE PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED AS IS
INDICATED IN THE ASO NRO MOU.

AND IT ONLY CAN HAVE TWO HANDS TO THAT: TO FORWARD AND NOT TO FORWARD THE
POLICY TO THE BOARD FOR RATIFICATION.

THERE'S NOT REVIEW BY THE ADDRESS COUNCIL AT THIS STAGE.

THE SECOND COMMENT GOES TO PAUL AND TO KURT, AND IT'S THE -- OBVIOUSLY TO SAY
THAT AS CHUCK HAS MENTIONED, BE CAREFUL THAT WAS MADE LAST YEAR OR LAST
FISCAL YEAR ON THE ACHIEVEMENT IN THE STRATEGIC/OPERATIONAL PLAN AND BUDGET.

BUT WE HAVE STILL SOME WORK TO DO ON THE TIMING. ON THE TIMING OF THESE
THREE STAGES, THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE OPERATIONAL PLAN, AND THE BUDGET,
NORMALLY WHAT WE SHOULD FOLLOW, AND I WILL USE THE LANGUAGE WHICH IS MORE
PROPER FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME WHO COMES FROM THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE THAT
NORMALLY THE STRATEGIC PLAN SHOULD BE ADOPTED IN THE THIRD ICANN MEETING, AND
THE OPERATIONAL PLAN SHOULD BE APPROVED ON THE FIRST ICANN MEETING, AND THE
BUDGET ON THE SECOND ICANN MEETING.

WE DIDN'T ACHIEVE THAT LAST YEAR.

LAST YEAR, WE HAD THE -- THE STRATEGIC PLAN WAS APPROVED IN THE SECOND, IN
THE SECOND, AND THE OPERATIONAL PLAN WILL BE APPROVED IN THIS MEETING.

AND THE -- SO I HOPE THAT WE WILL MAKE A BIG EFFORT TO -- IN THIS EXERCISE TO
HAVE THE STRATEGIC PLAN APPROVED IN SAO PAOLO, AND THEN THE OPERATIONAL PLAN
APPROVED IN THE FIRST MEETING OF 2007, AND THE BUDGET IN THE SECOND OF 2007.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, RAIMUNDO.

SUSAN, AND THEN I'LL TAKE QUESTIONS FROM THE FLOOR.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: THANK YOU, VINT.

I HAVE TWO COMMENTS, ONE AN OVERALL COMMENT ABOUT THE PROCESS, AND WHERE
WE'RE GETTING, AND A SECOND COMMENT ABOUT PRIORITIES.

THE FIRST COMMENT IS, I AM LIKELY TO APPROVE THE BUDGET.

IN FACT, THE AGENDA ASSUMES THAT THE BOARD WILL APPROVE THE BUDGET.

SO I DON'T WANT TO STAND IN THE WAY.

AND THAT'S NOT MY QUIBBLE HERE.

IT JUST -- IT SEEMS THERE IS NO CEILING TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET IF
REGISTRANTS ARE THE ONES PAYING THE FEES.

THEY'RE NOT VERY MUCH REPRESENTED IN THE ICANN PROCESS.

AND REGISTRIES AND REGISTRARS ARE PASSING ALONG FEES TO THEM.

BUT AS I SAY, I RECOGNIZE THAT THE BUDGET IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY.

I'M LIKELY TO APPROVE IT.

I'M TROUBLED BY THE ABSENCE OF AN END POINT AND BY THE FACT THAT WE SEEM TO
MANAGE TOWARDS -- THE PLANNING PROCESS SAYS, WELL, HERE ARE ALL OUR DREAMS,
WE'LL AGGREGATE THEM ALL AND THEN MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO COVER
THEM.

AND I WORRY SOMETIMES IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT.

SO I HOPE THAT WE'LL HAVE MORE ENGAGED INVOLVEMENT THIS YEAR ON THE STRATEGIC
PLANNING PROCESS AND WHETHER WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S DISCIPLINE IN
THAT PROCESS THAT WE APPLY TO OURSELVES.

AND THE SECOND COMMENT HAS TO DO WITH PRIORITIES.

IN MY SHORT TIME ON THE BOARD, I HAVE NOTICED THAT ICANN HAS AN EXTREMELY
HARD-WORKING, DEDICATED, INTELLIGENT, FOCUSED STAFF, ALL OF WHOM SEEM
STRETCHED RATHER THIN.

AND SO AT THE SAME TIME THAT I'M SAYING, WELL, THE BUDGET KEEPS GOING UP, AND
WHY, I HOPE THAT IN THIS NEXT YEAR, WE'LL BE MORE VISIONARY ABOUT LOOKING
INSIDE ICANN AT CUSTOMER SERVICE SUPPORT, SUPPORT FOR IANA, SUPPORT FOR THE
BOARD, SUPPORT FOR STAFF TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE POLICY PROCESSES ARE
ADEQUATELY ASSISTED.

SO TWO LEVELS OF COMMENT.

GENERALLY SUPPORTIVE OF THE OVERALL DIRECTION, BUT SOME CONCERN ABOUT HOW WE
GET THERE AND HOW WE SET PRIORITIES.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, SUSAN.

THE CHAIRMAN RECOGNIZES MARILYN CADE NOW.

>>MARILYN CADE: THANK YOU, VINT.

LIKE CHUCK GOMES, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO KURT AND HIS TEAM, AND
ALSO TO THE BOARD, FOR THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THAT HAVE HELPED TO
IMPROVE THE PROVISION OF INFORMATION AND THE TIMING OF THAT INFORMATION TO
THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF, AS IT TURNS OUT, BY THE COMMENTS
THAT WERE MADE BY BOARD MEMBER RAIMUNDO BECA, AND ALSO BOARD MEMBER SUSAN
CRAWFORD, AND TO RAISE A FURTHER REQUEST, HAVING SAID THANK YOU, NOW I'D LIKE
TO ASK FOR MORE.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE IS, WE MAY NOT BE ORGANIZED TO
GIVE YOU AS MUCH TIMELY FEEDBACK AS WOULD BE HELPFUL.

THE SUGGESTION THAT RAIMUNDO MADE ABOUT WORKING A TOPIC PER PUBLIC MEETING
WOULD HELP, I THINK, AT LEAST THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT I'M INVOLVED IN AND
WOULD GIVE US MORE TIME TO DIGEST BEFORE WE SPEAK.

SO THAT WOULD BE AN IDEA THAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO TAKE FURTHER CONSIDERATION
OF.

I ALSO NOTE IN THE BUDGET A SIGNIFICANT RESOURCING OF MECHANISMS AND PEOPLE
THAT WILL SUPPORT FURTHER PARTICIPATION.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO BOTH SUPPORT THAT GOAL, BUT TO RAISE A QUESTION FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION.

IT IS IN FACT TRUE THAT THE -- IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY DIFFICULT FOR THE
CONSTITUENCIES AND THE SUPPORTING ORGANIZATIONS TO DO ALL OF THEIR WORK, A
GOOD DEAL OF WHICH DOES NEED TO BE DONE FACE TO FACE, AND AT THE SAME TIME
ALSO DO THE APPROPRIATE KIND OF OUTREACH AND RECRUITMENT TO INCLUDE OTHERS OR
REACH OUT TO OTHERS THAT MAY BE INTERESTED IN THEIR CONSTITUENCY.

SO LATER TODAY OR TOMORROW, DEPENDING ON WHETHER I NEED SLEEP OR NOT, I
INTEND TO PUBLISH A CONCEPT OF LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND SEEING IF IT'S
POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE A PLANNING GRANT TO THE CONSTITUENCIES TO ENABLE THEM TO
DO MORE OUTREACH THEMSELVES, MORE ENCOURAGEMENT THEMSELVES OF REACHING OUT TO
THE COMMUNITIES.

THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR BROADENING INFORMED PARTICIPATION IN THE BUDGET.

AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO BUILD ON THE EXISTING
CONSTITUENCIES, THE ALAC AND OTHERS, AND CONTINUE TO BRING MORE PEOPLE INTO
ICANN FROM THE BROAD COMMUNITIES THAT THE EXISTING CONSTITUENCIES REPRESENT.

I THINK THAT CAN DO TWO THINGS.

IT CAN ALSO HELP TO PROVIDE, THEN, WE BELIEVE, MORE FEEDBACK INTO THE BOARD
TO THE REST OF THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND
THE OPERATIONAL PLAN, BECAUSE WE WILL BE DEEPENING AND BROADENING THE
PARTICIPATION.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, MARILYN.

JUST ONE OBSERVATION ABOUT THAT.

IF WE START AUTHORIZING EXPENDITURES, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE
ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE AND ALSO TO ASSURE THAT THEY ARE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS
ORGANIZATION TO BE MAKING.

IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE MAKE A GRANT AND IT TURNS OUT TO BE SPENT ON A
POLITICAL THING, THAT WOULD BE INAPPROPRIATE.

SO THERE ARE SOME OVERHEADS ASSOCIATED WITH DOING WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING.

THIS ISN'T AN ARGUMENT AGAINST IT.

IT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION THAT WHENEVER YOU PURSUE THAT SORT OF PATH, WE ALSO
HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE FUNCTIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
BE INTRODUCED TO ASSURE THAT THE FUNDS ARE SPENT APPROPRIATELY.

BECAUSE THIS ORGANIZATION DOES MAKE REPORTS TO -- IN THE CASE RIGHT NOW, THE
IRS, THAT WILL BE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE STILL BEHAVING AS A
NOT-FOR-PROFIT, PUBLIC BENEFIT CORPORATION.

>>MARILYN CADE: AND, VINT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASSURE YOU THAT I WOULD ASSUME
THERE WOULD BE AS MUCH TRANSPARENCY, IF NOT MORE, ABOUT ANY OTHER EXPENDITURE
IF THAT WERE IN FACT -- IF IT WERE AGREEABLE TO PURSUE A PROJECT OF THAT
NATURE.
>>VINT CERF: VENI IS IN THE QUEUE.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE.

VENI.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: THANKS, VINT.

ACTUALLY, IT'S DRIVEN FROM WHAT SUSAN SAID, THEN LATER WHEN MARILYN WAS
SPEAKING, I ALSO WAS THINKING.

IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS OR WEEKS, THERE IS A NEW MOVIE STARTING IN THE U.S.
CALLED, I THINK, "SUPERMAN RETURNS," OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

WHAT I SEE ON THE BOARD AFTER THREE YEARS, CONCLUDING THIS SUMMER, IS THAT
THE BOARD -- EVERY BOARD DIRECTOR IS AN UPGRADE OF SUPERMAN, BATMAN, AND
SEVERAL OTHER OF THE U.S. CHARACTERS, OF WHICH I AM NOT AWARE, BUT
DEFINITELY.

WE ARE EXPECTED TO BE LIKE THAT.

AND WHAT SUSAN SAID IN TERMS OF SUPPORT FOR DIRECTORS -- FOR COMMITTEES' WORK
IS SOMETHING WHICH WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE PAUL TO ALLOCATE RESOURCES IN
TERMS NOT JUST FUNDING, BUT ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT CAN SUPPORT THE WORK OF THE
COMMITTEES, AND TO MAKE US -- TO MAKE US AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT SPENDING LESS
TIME ON WORK WHICH CAN BE DONE IN ADVANCE BEFORE THE MEETINGS OR IN ADVANCE
BEFORE THE RETREATS.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION, ACTUALLY, FOR MARILYN, WHO SAYS THAT IT'S BECOMING
MORE AND MORE DIFFICULT FOR THE CONSTITUENCIES TO DO THEIR WORK FACE TO FACE.

AND I -- I DON'T UNDER- -- I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.

DO YOU MEAN THAT THE TIME DURING THE MEETINGS IS NOT ENOUGH?

OR THE NUMBER OF MEETINGS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE CONSTITUENCIES?

I MEAN, I'M ASKING AS CHAIR OF THE MEETINGS COMMITTEE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE
CARE OF THAT.

>>MARILYN CADE: I THINK THIS MAY BE ADDRESSED PERHAPS LATER BY BRUCE TONKIN,
THE CHAIR OF THE GNSO, IN HIS REPORT.

BUT LET ME JUST MAKE A QUICK COMMENT.

WE ARE BENEFITTING SIGNIFICANTLY, I THINK, IN BEING ABLE TO WORK FACE TO FACE
IN POLICY DEVELOPMENT, AND NOT ONLY DOING WORK THROUGH TASK FORCES THAT MEET
BY CONFERENCE CALL.

SO WE HAVE INSTITUTED SEVERAL DAYS OF FACE-TO-FACE POLICY DEVELOPMENT WORK.

AND THAT IS IN ADDITION TO ATTENDING TO THE REST OF THE WORK OF THE
CONSTITUENCIES THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE FACE TO FACE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS
MEETING.

SO FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF MEETINGS, WE'VE ALL TRAVELED IN THE SATURDAY AND
SUNDAY BEFORE, AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE SCHEDULED TWO TO THREE -- TWO-
TO THREE-DAY WORKING SESSIONS WHERE WE CAN MEET FACE TO FACE.

SO -- AND I THINK THAT'S NEEDED.

AND EVERY OTHER POLICY DEVELOPMENT FUNCTION THAT I HAVE PERFORMED OR BEEN
INVOLVED IN IN MY 17 YEARS OF THAT, I HAVE FOUND FACE TO FACE IS ESSENTIAL,
AUGMENTED BY ONLINE, AUGMENTED BY CONFERENCE CALLS.

AND EVERY OTHER -- SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, VENI.

I'M NOT ASKING FOR MORE MEETINGS OF THIS NATURE.

I WAS MERELY NOTING THAT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE COUNCIL IS FINDING IT
IMPORTANT TO DO THOSE OTHER MEETINGS.

>>VINT CERF: OKAY.

I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM EITHER THE BOARD OR THE FLOOR.

SO WE'LL FINISH THIS FIRST SEGMENT OF OUR PUBLIC FORUM.

I'D LIKE TO GO ON NOW TO A PERMUTED SCHEDULE.

I'VE ASKED TINA DAM TO PLEASE GIVE HER REPORT ON THE IDN STATUS.

I SEE SHE'S COMING UP ON THE STAGE NOW.

>>TINA DAM: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY MEETINGS ABOUT IDNS THIS TIME.

AND WE'RE STILL NOT THROUGH THE WEEK.

I AM INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED ABOUT THE SPEED THAT THINGS CHANGE FROM BEGINNING
OF THE WEEK TO BE VERY MUCH FOCUSED ON ISSUES AND DIFFICULTIES AND WHY WE
CAN'T DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO, AND THEN TOWARDS THE
END OF THE WEEK, TO ACTUALLY HAVE NEW IDEAS AND NEW SUGGESTIONS, IN
PARTICULAR, IN THE TECHNICAL AREA, OR HOW TO SOLVE SOME OF THOSE DIFFICULTIES
SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AT A FASTER PACE.

SO IT'S BEEN A VERY POSITIVE IDN MEETING SO FAR.

WE'LL HAVE MORE WORKING GROUP MEETINGS.

THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE IS MEETING LATER TODAY.

AND I THINK A COUPLE OF IDN MEETINGS TOMORROW AND FRIDAY AS WELL.

THE STATUS REPORT I HAVE FOR YOU TODAY WILL CONTAIN THE FOLLOWING ELEMENTS.

I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IDN PROGRAM PLAN, AN OVERVIEW OF ACTIVITIES
RELATED TO POLICY ISSUES, AND AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSAL FOR REVISING A TEST
PLAN.

AND SINCE THESE THINGS HAVE EVOLVED SO FAST THIS WEEK, THERE IS NEW ITEMS IN
RELATION TO THE TECHNICAL AREA THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED LATER TODAY.

AND DEPENDING ON THE RESULT, YOU KNOW, I HOPE WE CAN COME BACK WITH A -- AN
UPDATED STATUS FOR THE BOARD AND THE COMMUNITY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

LAST ON THE AGENDA IS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IDN GUIDELINES AND THE
REVISION OF THAT AND HOW THAT'S PROGRESSING.

WITHIN STAFF, WE'VE WORKED -- AND, OF COURSE, WITH A LOT OF INPUT FROM DNS
AND POLITICAL AND POLICY-ORIENTED EXPERTS -- TO DEVELOP A FULL PROGRAM PLAN
FOR ALL OF THE SPECIFIC PROJECTS AND ACTIONS THAT ARE NECESSARY TO REACH THE
GOAL OF DEPLOYING IDNS.

WE HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS, TECHNICAL TEST -- I'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE
BIT -- POLICY DEVELOPMENT AND IDN GUIDELINES I'LL ALSO TALK ABOUT, AND THE
LAST THREE ARE RELATED TO IANA PROCESSES, OUTREACH PLANNING, AND
COMMUNICATION PLANS.

NOW, ALL OF THESE ARE PLANNED A LITTLE BIT INDEPENDENTLY, BUT THEY ARE ALL
CORRELATED.

I WOULD LIKE TO, IN PARTICULAR, POINT OUT OUTREACH AND COMMUNICATION
PLANNING.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COMMUNITY HAVE ASKED FOR FOR QUITE SOME TIME, THAT
WE'RE BETTER AT REACHING OUT AND COMMUNICATING AND EXPLAINING WHAT WE'RE
DOING SO THAT THE CORRECT, OR THE APPROPRIATE EXPERTS FROM THE COMMUNITIES
CAN PROVIDE THEIR INPUT AND THEIR EXPERTISE AT THE TIME THAT IT'S NECESSARY.

NOW, WITH THE NEW STAFF, PARTICULARLY PAUL LEVINS AND THE REGIONAL LIAISONS,
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT'S PROGRESSING REALLY WELL.

AND WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT THE PLANNING OF THOSE TWO PROJECTS ARE GOING TO
SPEED UP REALLY QUICKLY HERE WITH THE NEW STAFF AND SO WE CAN GET THAT
KICK-STARTED.

NOW, ON THE POLICY DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES, AND THIS IS PRIMARILY SINCE THE
MEETING IN NEW ZEALAND, THE PRELIMINARY ISSUES REPORT WAS DEVELOPED AND
PUBLISHED, AS WAS REQUESTED BY THE GNSO.

THAT REPORT PROPOSES A JOINT TASK FORCE, A WORKING GROUP BETWEEN THE GNSO,
CCNSO, ALSO WITH INPUT FROM THE GAC.

ON THE 18TH OF MAY, THE GNSO COUNCIL HAD A CONFERENCE CALL WHERE THEY
RESOLVED TO ESTABLISH THIS WORKING GROUP AND SELECTED MEMBERS -- AND SELECTED
MEMBERS TO THE JOINT TASK FORCE.

IN JUNE, THERE HAVE BEEN INITIAL COMMENTS AND PRIORITIES ON THE PRELIMINARY
ISSUES REPORT.

THE WORKING GROUP HAVE BEEN MEETING HERE AND HAVE ALSO PARTICIPATED SOMEWHAT
IN THE IDN WORKSHOP ON SUNDAY THAT TOOK PLACE TO REVIEW POLICY ISSUES AND
DISCUSS OPPORTUNITIES FOR COUNTRY CODE STRINGS AND ASSIGNMENT OF THOSE.

I'M SURE BRUCE IS GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU GET TO
HIS REPORT.

ON THE TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TEST ACTIVITIES, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WE
RELEASED A PROPOSED PLAN RIGHT BEFORE THE NEW ZEALAND MEETING IN MARCH.

DURING APRIL, WE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RSSAC, AND A LOT OF
COMMUNITY AND CONSTITUENCY DISCUSSIONS AROUND THIS TEST PLAN DURING THE
WELLINGTON MEETING.

SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE GOT WAS IN LIMITATIONS OF HOW DNAMES CAN, AS A
RESOURCE RECORD, CAN BE TESTED AROUND THIS TOPIC RIGHT NOW.

THE OTHER HALF OF THE PROPOSED PLAN WAS AROUND NS RECORDS, WHICH SEEMS TO BE
A LITTLE BIT MORE MATURE TO ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND MAKE SOME TESTING PLANS ON.

SO WE DISCUSSED WITHIN ICANN STAFF ALL OF THE INPUT WE RECEIVED.

WE SOUGHT SOME MORE CONSULTATION BY ADDITIONAL EXPERTS AND STARTED REVISING
THE PROPOSED PLAN.

WE FINALIZED A PROPOSAL OF THAT HERE IN JUNE AND HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT IT DURING THE MEETINGS HERE IN MOROCCO.

AND ALSO HAVE A PROCESS FOR FINALIZING IT.

AND I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE DETAILS ABOUT THAT.

BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH A FINALIZATION PROCESS
FOR APPROVAL BEFORE IT IS CONSIDERED FINAL.

NOW, THE OVERALL GOAL WITH THE TECHNICAL AND OPERATIONAL TEST PLAN IS TO
DEMONSTRATE THAT INSERTION OF IDN STRINGS IN THE ROOT HAS NO NEGATIVE IMPACT
ON THE EXISTING RESOLUTIONS.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REALLY DIFFICULT TO PROVE A NEGATIVE ON.

BUT WE CAN TAKE SOME STEPS THAT ALLOW US TO SAY THAT WE'RE REASONABLY CERTAIN
THAT THERE ARE NO ISSUES, AND IT'S THAT GOAL THAT WE WANT TO GET TO.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO PERFORM A LOT OF ACTIVITIES.

AS I MENTIONED, NS RECORDS IN THIS NEW PROPOSED PLAN APPEARS TO BE SOMETHING
WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND TEST.

NS RECORD IS NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN HOW TLDS ARE INSERTED IN THE ROOT AT THIS
POINT IN TIME WITH ASCII TLDS.

WITH IDN TLDS, IT WILL BE BASED ON PUNYCODE STRINGS.

SO THERE WILL BE SOME LABORATORY TESTS, OPERATIONAL PROCESS TESTS, TO MAKE
SURE THAT THE ICANN AND IANA AND D.O.C. PROCESSES ARE FUNCTIONING.

AND EVENTUALLY END UP WITH A ROOT NAME SERVER TEST.

DNAME RESOURCE RECORDS NEEDS TO BE ANALYZED IN MUCH MORE DETAIL DUE TO SOME
OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT ON THE DIFFICULTIES WITH THAT RECORD AT THIS
POINT IN TIME, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE FULL POTENTIAL OR ANY
POTENTIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT METHOD.

THE TWO -- ALL OF THESE MILESTONES WITHIN THIS PROJECT ARE -- SOME OF THEM
ARE GOING TO BE RUNNING IN PARALLEL.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE GOING TO KICK-START THE LABORATORY TEST DEVELOPMENT AT THE
SAME TIME AS WE'RE CONTINUING THE DNAME ANALYSIS.

SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TEST PLAN.

WE WILL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE PRESIDENT'S ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING LATER
TODAY.

THERE'S GOING TO BE AN IETF MEETING IN MONTREAL FROM THE 9TH TO THE 14TH OF
JULY WHERE WE'LL HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RSSAC AGAIN AND OTHER PARTIES OF
THE IETF.

AND THEN THERE'LL BE SOME FINALIZATION OF THE PROPOSAL AND POSTING IT FOR A
PUBLIC REVIEW.

IDN GUIDELINES.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, LAST YEAR, IN NOVEMBER, THE 8TH OF NOVEMBER, 2005, THE
BOARD APPROVED A REVISION FROM VERSION 1.0 TO VERSION 2.0 OF THE IDN
GUIDELINES.

THE BOARD ALSO ASKED THE TLD REGISTRIES WORKING GROUP TO COME BACK WITH SOME
ADDITIONAL REVISIONS.

AND THE BOARD SUPPORTED AN APPROACH TOWARDS THE BCP, BEST CURRENT PRACTICE,
DOCUMENT FOR THE GUIDELINES INSTEAD OF ITS CURRENT STATE.

WHAT THAT ESSENTIALLY MEANS IS THAT AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S THE GTLD REGISTRY
OPERATORS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.

AND THE FRAMEWORK THAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED DOES NOT NECESSARILY FUNCTION
REALLY WELL FOR THE CCS.

SO THE INTENTION WITH THE BEST CURRENT PRACTICE IS TO REACH MUCH BROADER THAN
THE ICANN CURRENT CONTRACTS ARE ABLE TO DO.

WE ARE CURRENTLY -- IN RESPONSE TO THE BOARD'S REQUEST ON 8 OF NOVEMBER,
WE'RE CURRENTLY AT VERSION 2.1 OF THE IDN GUIDELINES.

WE HAD ANTICIPATED A DRAFT BEST CURRENT PRACTICE BY THE TIME HERE IN MOROCCO.

BUT THE VOLUNTEERS IN THAT WORKING GROUP ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN
WORKING ON INTRODUCTION OF IDN TLDS, BOTH ON THE POLICY SIDE AND ON THE
TECHNICAL SIDE.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT AND BECAUSE THAT HAS HAD A HIGHER PRIORITY, IT HAS NOT
BEEN POSSIBLE TO HAVE A BCP DRAFT READY AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

WE WILL CONTINUE THIS WORK, AND IT IS GOING TO BE RUN IN PARALLEL WITH OTHER
IDN TLD ACTIVITIES.

BUT AS KURT MENTIONED OUT, WE NOW ALSO HAVE A BUDGET AND PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL
STAFF.

SO IT SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO MOVE THIS FORWARD IN A MUCH FASTER PAGE.

IN RELATION TO THE IDN GUIDELINES AND HOW TO REACH THE BCP STATE, STAFF HAS
REALIZED THAT WE WILL NEED TO DEVELOP A SPECIFIC PROJECT PLAN FOR THAT WITH
IDENTIFIED MILESTONES AND TIMELINES AROUND IT.

IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THESE AREAS THAT IN ORDER TO REACH OUTSIDE THE GTLD
AREA, WE HAVEN'T COMMUNICATED ENOUGH.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO TAKE UP IN RELATION WITH DEVELOPMENT OF
THIS PLAN.

AND THAT CONCLUDES MY STATUS REPORT FOR TODAY.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY WHO HAS BEEN WORKING SO
ACTIVELY AND CONSTRUCTIVE AND JOINTLY TO REACH THIS GOAL, TO REACH THE GOAL
FOR SAFE DEPLOYMENT OF INTERNATIONAL TOP-LEVEL LABELS.

AS I SAY TO BEGIN WITH, I'M EXTREMELY IMPRESSED WITH ALL THE WORK THAT'S
GOING ON THIS WEEK, AND I CAN SEE HOW WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS SOLUTIONS AS
OPPOSED TO CONTINUING TO DISCUSS DIFFICULTIES.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TINA.

HANK ON JUST ONE SECOND.

I WASN'T PLANNING TO TAKE QUESTIONS UNTIL -- UNTIL WE GOT THROUGH SEVERAL
OTHER REPORTS.

BUT YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY ASKING A QUESTION ABOUT IDNS.

SO I'LL ALLOW THAT ONE.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>>RON ANDRUFF: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

RON ANDRUFF, TRALLIANCE CORPORATION, THE DOT TRAVEL REGISTRY.

EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY IS VERY EXCITED THAT WE'VE COVERED SO MUCH GROUND
WITH IDN IN THE MOST RECENT PERIOD.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS ONE -- MAKE ONE COMMENT TOWARDS WHAT TINA JUST
SHARED.

AND IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE -- AVOIDING NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE EXISTING
RESOLUTIONS.

AND I BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF THE GNSO COUNCIL YESTERDAY AT THEIR
PUBLIC FORUM AND SO I WANTED JUST TO MAKE THE BOARD AWARE OF THE SAME
COMMENTS I MADE THEN.

THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE SPONSORED REGISTRIES
SUCH AS DOT TRAVEL, WHAT YOU HAVE IS A GLOBAL COMMUNITY.

AND THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY SPEAKS MANY, MANY LANGUAGES.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS EVENT THAT I MAY BE IN -- MAY BE SPEAK JAPANESE AND
ENGLISH, AND TODAY I'M IN TOKYO, AND I MIGHT JUST BE TYPING IN IN KANJI
CHARACTERS, BUT TOMORROW I MIGHT BE IN FRANKFURT, AND I JUST DON'T THINK, I
JUST IMMEDIATELY START TYPING IN ENGLISH CHARACTER SETS.

IF BRING TO TYPE MAJESTIC.TRAVEL IN KANJI AND IT ARRIVED IN ONE PLACE AS
OPPOSED TO MAJESTIC.TRAVEL IN ENGLISH AND IT ARRIVED IN LONDON, THE POINT I'M
TRYING TO BRING OUT HERE IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO CONFLICTS
OR PROBLEMS WITH THE RESOLUTION. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE POINT THAT EACH
INCUMBENT REGISTRY SHOULD REALLY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE NAME SPACE IN
MULTIPLE LANGUAGES.

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US, BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE TRAVEL AND TOURISM
INDUSTRY ON A GLOBAL SCALE.

AND I KNOW THERE'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT INCUMBENTS SHOULD BE
MAINTAINING THEIR -- THE SPACE IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES OR NOT.

IN THE CASE OF THE DOT TRAVEL REGISTRY TODAY, WE ARE DEVELOPING THE ABILITY
FOR PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD TO REGISTER THEIR DOMAIN NAMES IN THEIR
EXISTING LANGUAGE, MEANING THAT THEY CAN READ ALL OF THE INSTRUCTIONS IN TEN
LANGUAGES, FROM ARABIC TO KOREAN.

AND, THEREFORE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE THIS PROCESS.

SO I WANTED JUST TO BRING THAT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

>>VINT CERF: OKAY.

JUST FOR EVERYONE'S EDUCATION, THAT WASN'T AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO MAKE THAT
COMMENT.

I DON'T MEAN THAT TO BE PEJORATIVE AT ALL.

IT WASN'T A QUESTION ABOUT THIS.

ALSO, I WILL TELL YOU FLAT OUT THAT THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE AND YOU SHOULD MAKE
NO ASSUMPTIONS WHATSOEVER ABOUT THE OWNERSHIP OF ANY OTHER STRING THAN DOT
TRAVEL IN ROMAN CHARACTERS RIGHT NOW.

NO IMPLICIT ASSUMPTIONS SHOULD BE MADE BY ANYONE AS TO THE OWNERSHIP OF ANY
OTHER TRANSLATION OF SUCH STRINGS.

I RESPECT YOUR OPINION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOU SHOULD MAKE NO
ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT THAT.

>>RON ANDRUFF: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

FOR THAT REASON, I WANTED TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD.

>>VINT CERF: OKAY.

THERE IS SOMETHING YOU DIDN'T RAISE THAT I WILL RAISE, THOUGH.

TINA, WITH REGARD TO THE TEST PLAN, AS I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT, I HOPE THAT
THE TESTS WILL DO EXTREME TESTS.

IN OTHER WORDS, EVEN IN THE CASE OF NS RECORDS, I WOULD HOPE THAT THE PLAN
INCLUDES THINGS LIKE PUTTING IN THE MAXIMUM POSSIBLE STRING THAT WOULD FIT
WITHIN A PUNYCODE LABEL, AND EVEN TO ATTEMPT TO USE SOMETHING THAT'S LONGER
THAN IS ALLOWED, THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW -- WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T
HAVE ACCIDENTS WHERE SOMEBODY TRIES TO REGISTER A STRING THAT IS TOO LONG AND
IT BREAKS THE SYSTEM IN THE WAY THAT WE'VE SEEN SOME OTHER SYSTEMS BREAK
BECAUSE SOME STRING WENT IN THAT WAS NOT EXPECTED TO BE LONGER THAN "X" AND
IT WAS "X" PLUS 1 AND IT LED TO ALL KINDS OF BAD THINGS.

SO CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THE PEOPLE RUNNING THESE TESTS WILL DO ALL KINDS OF
EXTREME CASES.

>>TINA DAM: EXTREME CASES, IN PARTICULAR, IN RELATION TO THE LENGTH OF THE
STRING, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I'M AWARE WAS ONE OF THE FIRST ITEMS THAT WAS
IDENTIFIED AS A NEED TO BE TESTED.

PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WITH IDNS, THE SHORTEST -- THE SHORTEST STRING THAT YOU
WILL HAVE IN PUNYCODE, WHICH IS THE ASCII STRING OF THE IDN LABEL, IS
ACTUALLY SEVEN ASCII CHARACTERS THAT CORRESPOND TO ONE CHARACTER IN THE IDN
VERSION.

SO THAT IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT'S PART OF THAT PLAN.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, TINA.

THE NEXT REPORT COMES FROM GEORGE SADOWSKY.

AND THAT'S THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE REPORT.

>>GEORGE SADOWSKY: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

I'M GEORGE SADOWSKY, AND I AM THE INTERIM CHAIR OF THE ICANN 2006 NOMINATING
COMMITTEE.

JUST TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY, THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE CONSISTS OF 23 MEMBERS,
17 OF WHOM VOTE.

THE MEMBERS ARE SUPPLIED BY THE CONSTITUENCIES, THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES, AND
THE CHAIR IS APPOINTED BY THE BOARD.

WE WORK -- ONCE APPOINTED, WE WORK INDEPENDENTLY OF ICANN.

OUR PROCESSES AND OUR MEMBERSHIP ARE EXACTLY DEFINED IN THE ICANN WEB SITE.

AND I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT'S THERE.

THIS IS ALSO A SHORT PRESENTATION, AND THEREFORE I'VE DISPENSED WITH A
POWERPOINT.

THIS YEAR, WE ARE FILLING THREE BOARD VACANCIES, ONE GNSO VACANCY, ONE
VACANCY ON THE CCNSO, AND TWO VACANCIES WHICH ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY DETERMINED
ON THE ALAC, THE GEOGRAPHICAL REGIONS WE ARE FILLING ARE NORTH AMERICA AND
EUROPE.

THE DETAILS OF THE PROCESS AND OF THE VACANCIES IS CONTAINED IN A FLIER WHICH
I'M HOLDING UP A COPY.

AND IF I'M -- THERE SHOULD BE AN ICANN STAFF PERSON, TANZANICA KING, WHO WILL
BE PASSING THESE OUT TO YOU WHILE ARE YOU IN THE HALL RIGHT NOW.

IT WAS OUR HOPE THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THESE AT REGISTRATION.

BUT A COMBINATION OF CIRCUMSTANCES, INCLUDING THE LOCAL CUSTOMS DEPARTMENT,
PREVENTED US FROM GETTING THEM READY FOR YOU ON TIME.

THEY CONTAIN THE DETAILS OF THE POSITIONS AND HOW TO APPLY FOR THEM.

AND WHEN THEY ARE PASSED OUT, PLEASE DON'T TAKE JUST ONE, TAKE TEN.

AND WHEREVER YOU GO NEXT OR WHEREVER YOU -- WHEREVER YOU KNOW COLLEAGUES WHO
ARE INTERESTED, POTENTIALLY, IN SERVING, GIVE THEM THESE FLIERS SO THAT THEY
CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SITUATION IS AND HOW TO APPLY.

I AM THE INTERIM CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE THE -- THE CHAIR, APPOINTED
BY THE BOARD AND ANNOUNCED AT VANCOUVER, EUGENIO TRIANA, HAD A CONFLICT WHICH
WAS APPARENTLY UNAVOIDABLE AND SEVERE WITH RESPECT TO WORK-RELATED
RESPONSIBILITIES.

EUGENIO SERVED UNTIL THE END OF MAY AND THEN RELUCTANTLY RESIGNED.

I'VE BEEN ASKED TO FILL THE INTERIM SPOT.

EUGENIO SERVED UNTIL THE END OF MAY, AND THEN RELUCTANTLY RESIGNED. I HAVE
BEEN ASKED TO FILL THE INTERIM SPOT.

WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RECRUITING PHASE, SO THERE'S NOT A LOT TO REPORT.

THE NOMINATING COMMITTEE TRIES TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WITH RESPECT
TO ITS PROCESSES, AND AS OPAQUE AS POSSIBLE WITH RESPECT TO THE INFORMATION
IT RECEIVES FROM CANDIDATES AND THE DECISION-MAKING PROCESS.

WE HAVE ASKED FOR STATEMENTS OF INTEREST FROM INTERESTED PARTIES IN THE
MIDDLE OF APRIL, AND WE HAVE A DEADLINE, A FORMAL DEADLINE, OF JULY 16TH FOR
COMPLETED SOIS.

WE ARE LIKELY, BUT NOT CERTAIN, TO EXTEND THAT DEADLINE TO AUGUST 1ST AS A
RESULT OF A SLOW INTAKE OF SOIS.

WE HAVE USED OUR PERSONAL CONTACTS, AND WE HOPE THAT YOU WILL USE YOUR
PERSONAL CONTACTS TO HELP US.

WE HAVE, FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS YEAR, ADVERTISED.

THERE'S AN AD IN "THE ECONOMIST" MAGAZINE SEVERAL WEEKS AGO AND I WOULD
EXPECT THAT THERE WILL BE AN AD IN THE "INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE"
SOMETIME NEXT WEEK.

WE REALLY REQUEST YOUR HELP. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE QUALITY OF OUR
OUTPUTS DEPEND TO A LARGE EXTENT ON THE QUALITY OF OUR INPUTS. SO WE ASK
THAT YOU MAKE SUGGESTIONS OF PEOPLE WHO YOU THINK WOULD BE QUALIFIED AND
AVAILABLE FOR CERTAIN POSITIONS. AND YOU CAN SUGGEST THOSE BY E-MAIL. AND
THE FLIER WILL TELL YOU HOW TO SUGGEST THEM.

YOU CAN SUGGEST THEM VERBALLY, AS LONG AS YOU INCLUDE AN E-MAIL ADDRESS TO
ONE OF US HERE.

YOU CAN TALK WITH PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES. YOU CAN TELL THEM WHAT YOU KNOW
ABOUT ICANN, IF THEY'RE NOT IN THE CENTER OF THE COMMUNITY.

YOU CAN ENCOURAGE THEM TO APPLY OR SELF-NOMINATE.

THESE POSITIONS ARE DIFFICULT TO FILL. AS YOU KNOW BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL HERE,
THEY ARE REWARDING. THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY FOR THE FUTURE OF THE
INTERNET BUT THEY TAKE A LOT OF TIME AND THEY TAKE A LOT OF DEDICATION.

AND ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE WHEN PEOPLE ASK WHAT THE TIME COMMITMENTS OF
THESE POSITIONS ARE, WE HAVE TO SAY THAT THEY ARE INTENSIVE. AND WHEN
PRESSED FOR A QUANTITATIVE ESTIMATE, WE HAVE BEEN USING TWO MONTHS A YEAR.
THAT COULD BE MORE, IT COULD BE LESS DEPENDING ON THE POSITIONS INVOLVED. I
DON'T KNOW IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT. BUT THAT IS
WHAT WE HAVE BEEN USING, AND I HOPE IT'S ESSENTIALLY CORRECT.

SO I'M GOING TO CLOSE HERE JUST TO TELL YOU WE ARE IN PROCESS. WE NEED YOUR
HELP. PLEASE WORK WITH US TO GET THE BEST POSSIBLE CANDIDATE POOL WE CAN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GEORGE. DON'T GO AWAY. THERE MAY BE
QUESTIONS.

ACTUALLY, I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER A COUPLE MORE -- TWO
MORE REPORTS, SO VENI, YOU WILL HAVE TO WAIT.

THE NEXT REPORT COMES FROM OUR OMBUDSMAN, FRANK FOWLIE.

>>FRANK FOWLIE: MR. CHAIRMAN, VINT CERF; PRESIDENT, PAUL TWOMEY; MEMBERS OF
THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND LIAISONS; ESTEEMED MEMBERS OF THE ICANN COMMUNITY,
ICANN STAFF, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WELCOME HERE THIS
AFTERNOON.

BONJOUR (SPEAKING FRENCH). I HAVE A NUMBER OF ISSUES I WOULD LIKE TO BRING
TO YOUR ATTENTION HERE THIS AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN. FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO
GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ACTIVITY OF MY OFFICE BY RUNNING THROUGH A
SMALL NUMBER OF SLIDES, AND THESE SLIDES WILL REPRESENT WORK CONDUCTED DURING
THE FISCAL YEAR FROM JULY 1ST, 2005 TO THE END OF MAY 2006.

THIS FIRST SLIDE SHOWS THE NUMBER OF INTAKES THAT MY OFFICE HAS TAKEN IN BY
MY OFFICE OVER THE FISCAL YEAR ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

THIS SECOND SHOWS THE SAME INFORMATION BUT GRAPHICALLY, WHICH I THINK MAKES
IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER TO DISCERN. ON AN AVERAGE MONTH, THE OFFICE TAKES IN
ABOUT 50 COMPLAINTS AND CONTACTS.

THIS NEXT CHART GIVES A LISTING OF THE DISTRIBUTION OF INTAKES BY COUNTRY OF
ORIGIN.

I RECEIVED CONTACT IN THE LAST YEAR FROM OVER 40 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. THE
PREVIOUSLY NOTED TREND OF HIGH CONTACT VOLUME FROM ENGLISH-SPEAKING
COMMON-LAW BASED COUNTRIES CONTINUES, AND I DO HOPE THAT THE ONGOING WORK
FROM OUR REGIONAL LIAISONS AND CONTINUED OUTREACH ACTIVITIES FROM MY OWN
OFFICE WILL HELP IMPACT THE LOCATIONS THAT COMPLAINTS COME FROM.

THIS CHART SHOWS THE TYPE OF ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION
DURING THE YEAR. FILES UNDER OMBUDS MEANS THAT THE ISSUE DEALT WITH AN
ACTION, DECISION, OR INACTION OF THE BOARD, STAFF, OR SUPPORTING
ORGANIZATION.

AND THE CATEGORY "OTHER" REFERS TO THAT WIDE CATEGORY OF THINGS THAT AREN'T
IN MY JURISDICTION, SUCH AS REGISTRAR/REGISTRANT COMPLAINTS OR ISSUES OF
GENERAL CRITICISM RELATING TO ICANN AS OPPOSED TO FAIRNESS-BASED COMPLAINTS.

AND THERE'S THAT SAME INFORMATION, AND YOU CAN SEE THAT "OTHER" TAKES UP A
FAIR AMOUNT OF MY WORK.

THIS NEXT SLIDE BREAKS DOWN THE MANNER IN WHICH THESE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS
WERE RESOLVED. THERE IS A DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF COMPLAINTS THAT WERE
CLOSED BY ME SIMPLY DECLINING JURISDICTION. AND THESE ARE FILES WHICH,
AGAIN, RELATE TO ISSUES THAT DEAL WITH COMMENTARY OR CRITICISM AS OPPOSED TO
AN ACTUAL ISSUE OF FAIRNESS BEING RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY.

AND THERE'S THE SAME THING IN A GRAPHIC. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT DECLINING
JURISDICTION IN THE PAST YEAR WAS A GREAT PART OF MY WORK. AND YOU WILL
REMEMBER, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT MY JURISDICTION IS ESTABLISHED BY THE BYLAW.

THESE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES TALK ABOUT HOW THOSE COMPLAINTS THAT WERE
ACTIONS, INACTIONS, OR DECISIONS BY THE BOARD, STAFF OR SUPPORTING
ORGANIZATION WERE DEALT WITH BY MY OFFICE.

AGAIN, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF ISSUES RAISED THAT WERE SIMPLY PEOPLE
COMPLAINING OR CRITICIZING ACTIONS BY ICANNMENT.

BUT ONCE WE TAKE THAT NUMBER AWAY, I AM VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT THE NUMBER
OF ISSUES THAT GETS THE MOST AMOUNT OF RESULT IS THAT WE COME AWAY WITH THE
ISSUE BEING RESOLVED. AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY POSITIVE COMMENTARY ON THE
ABILITY AND WILLINGNESS, NOT ONLY OF THE COMMUNITY BUT OF THE ORGANIZATION TO
TRY TO DEAL CONSTRUCTIVELY WITH DISPUTES.

AND AGAIN, THERE'S A GRAPHIC THAT HELPS SHOW THE DECLINING JURISDICTION ON
NONJURISDICTIONAL TYPE ISSUES TAKING UP A LOT OF TIME.

THIS LAST CHART JUST GIVES YOU A BASIC SUMMARY OF THE OUTREACH ACTIVITIES
THAT MY OFFICE HAS DONE. 35 DIFFERENT EVENTS DURING THE YEAR. AND I CAN
ALSO, AT THIS POINT, INFORM YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THAT I WILL HAVE SPENT 142
DAYS IN TRAVEL STATUS IN FISCAL '05-'06.

AND AS ALWAYS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D JUST LIKE TO SPEND A COUPLE OF MINUTES
TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN STATISTICS.

AND TODAY, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF TALK ABOUT
DEMONSTRATING VALUE OR THE APPROACH THAT I'VE TAKEN TOWARDS EVALUATING THE
EFFECTIVENESS OF MY OFFICE, TO SHOW THAT IT IS, IN FACT, A VITAL AND
IMPORTANT PART OF THE ICANN ORGANIZATION.

OBVIOUSLY, NUMBERS AND STATISTICS ARE IMPORTANT, AND ARE PART OF THE
EVALUATION PROCESS, BUT IT'S ALSO TO NOTE THAT THERE IS AN UNDERLYING PLAN TO
MEASURE AND INTERPRET EFFECTIVENESS.

ONE OF THE FIRST DOCUMENTS PRODUCED BY MY OFFICE WAS THE RESULTS-BASED
MANAGEMENT ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORK. AND THIS WAS PUT OUT FOR COMMUNITY
CONSULTATION AND IT'S FOUND ON THE OMBUDSMAN WEB PAGE. AND THIS DOCUMENT
OUTLINES THE BASICS FOR LONG-TERM EVALUATION STRATEGY.

WITHIN FOUR MONTHS OF MY APPOINTMENT, I BROUGHT IN AN EVALUATOR FROM THE
INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS ORGANIZATION TO COMPARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF MY
OFFICE TO ISO STANDARD 10,002, WHICH IS THE GUIDELINE FOR HANDLING COMPLAINTS
IN ORGANIZATIONS, AND THE EVALUATOR FOUND THE OFFICE WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH
BOTH THE INTENT AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF THOSE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS.

THE RESULTS-BASED ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORK REQUIRES ME TO CONTINUALLY MONITOR
TREND ANALYSIS, COMPLAINT INTAKES, MEDIA TRAFFICKING, AND ALTERNATIVE METHODS
OF SERVICE DELIVERY. AND THIS ONGOING EVALUATION IS COMMUNICATED EACH YEAR
IN THE ANNUAL REPORT WHICH WILL BE FORTHCOMING AT THE YEAR END IN THE NEXT
COUPLE OF DAYS.

THE NEXT EVALUATION STEP I WILL BE CONDUCTING WILL BE IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS
AND MONTHS. THERE ARE VERY FEW SEMINAL DOCUMENTS IN THE LITERATURE WHICH
DEAL WITH STANDARDS CONCERNING THE ESTABLISHMENT OF AN OMBUDSMAN'S OFFICE.
THERE ARE SOME DOCUMENTS FROM THE AMERICAN BAR ASSOCIATION, THE UNITED STATES
OMBUDSMAN ASSOCIATION, AND IN RELATED JOURNALS AND TEXTS WHICH PROVIDE A
CONTEXT FOR EVALUATION IN THE FIELD. WE HAVE CONTRACTED AN OUTSIDE EXPERT
THAT WILL FACT CHECK AND VERIFY MY OFFICE IS NOT ONLY IN COMPLIANCE WITH
THESE STANDARDS BUT WILL, I HOPE, SHOW THIS OFFICE IS, AS I HAVE OFTEN SAID
IT WAS, A CENTER OF EXCELLENCE.

THE STEP AFTER THAT WILL BE A FORMULATIVE EVALUATION OF FISCAL YEAR
2008-2009, AND THE GOAL OF THIS EVALUATION WILL BE TO LOOK AT A WIDE RANGE OF
INDICATORS TO ENSURE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OFFICE IS CONSISTENT WITH
THE BYLAWS, STANDARDS IN THE FIELD, AND THAT THERE ARE SUFFICIENT FISCAL,
HUMAN, AND PHYSICAL RESOURCES NOT ONLY TO MEET THE MANDATE BUT THE DEMANDS
FOR SERVICE BY THE COMMUNITY.

THE SUMMATIVE EVALUATION WILL TAKE PLACE IN FISCAL YEAR 2010-2011 AND WILL
NOT ONLY MIRROR MANY OF THE TANGIBLE INDICATORS FROM THE FORMATIVE EVALUATION
BUT WILL ALSO BE DOING SOME SURVEYING TO SEE WHAT THE IMPACTS AND ATTITUDES
ARE ABOUT THE OFFICE IN THE COMMUNITY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU WILL RECALL FROM RECENT CONVERSATIONS THAT FINDING
SOMETHING TO COMPARE MY OFFICE'S WORK TO IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT AND
COMPLEX.

THIS IS A RARE ENTITY IN THE REALM OF ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION AND I
ACTUALLY CAN'T THINK OF ANOTHER AGENCY THAT DOES ONLINE OMBUDSMANSHIP FOR
INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION WITH MULTICULTURAL AND MULTILINGUAL APPROACHES TO
DISPUTES AND WITHOUT MANY LAYERS OF BUREAUCRACY. THE CLOSEST COMPARISON I
COULD THINK OF IS THAT OF THE UNITED NATIONS STAFF OMBUDSMAN. AND I THOUGHT
FOR THE ENLIGHTENMENT OF THE COMMUNITY I WOULD SPEND A MINUTE ON THIS SLIDE
TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE EFFICIENCIES AS I SEE IT OF THE ICANN PROGRAM.

AS YOU CAN SEE I OPERATE AS A SOLE PRACTITIONER. THERE IS A FELLOW THAT
COMES AND LOOKS AFTER THE OFFICE AND ANSWERS MAIL WHILE I AM LEAVE OR ON SICK
LEAVE, WHILE THE UNITED NATIONS STAFF OMBUDSMAN HAS A TOTAL COMPLEMENT OF
SEVEN PEOPLE.

IN 19 MONTHS SINCE MY TAKING OFFICE I HAVE HANDLED 1900 INTAKES, AND IN HER
FIRST REPORT TO THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, THEIR OMBUDSMAN REPORTS
THAT IN A 34-MONTH PERIOD THEIR OFFICE DEALT WITH ALMOST 1400 MATTERS.

I CAN'T PREDICT THE NUMBER OF INTAKES FROM MY OFFICE THAT WILL CONTINUE TO BE
THE SAME YEAR AFTER YEAR. AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THERE HAVE BEEN A LARGE
NUMBER OF GENERAL SERVICE COMPLAINTS OR CRITICISMS RAISED WITH ME OVER THE
PAST YEAR WHERE I HAVE DECLINED JURISDICTION BECAUSE IT SIMPLY WASN'T AN
ISSUE OF FAIRNESS. IT WAS JUST SIMPLY GIVING AN EMOTIVE RESPONSE. HOWEVER,
I ALSO CANNOT PREDICT IF MY OFFICE WILL BE TARGETED BY THESE SORTS OF
CAMPAIGNS AGAIN SHOULD THE COMMUNITY SEE FIT TO RAISE ISSUES TO ME IN THIS
MANNER, AND IF THESE VOLUME OF COMPLAINTS WILL BE EVEN HIGHER IN THE FUTURE.

I DO UNDERLINE THAT EACH OF THE 1900 PEOPLE WHO CONTACTED MY OFFICE, GET AN
INDIVIDUAL REPLY EVEN IF I DO DECLINE JURISDICTION.

NOW, TAKING ALL THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND LEAVING ASIDE THESE DECLINED FILES AND
USING SOME VERY SIMPLE CANADIAN STATISTICAL FORMULA, EH, ON A PER CAPITA
BASIS THE U.N. OMBUDSMAN OFFICE DEALS WITH 69 FILES PER STAFF MEMBER IN THE
OFFICE ON AN ANNUALIZED BASIS, WHERE I DEAL WITH 378.

THE U.N. OMBUDSMAN SERVES A COMMUNITY OF ABOUT 29,000 STAFF MEMBERS, AND MY
OFFICE IS VIRTUALLY OPEN TO EVERY DOMAIN HOLDER OR ONLINE USER AROUND THE
WORLD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, BEFORE I CLOSE, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU AND THE BOARD FOR
THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE MET WITH YOU DURING YOUR RECENT PLANNING RETREAT.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE MET ON AN OMBUDSMAN/BOARD BASIS, AND I THINK
OUR DISCUSSIONS WERE BOTH FAIR AND POSITIVE.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, ONCE AGAIN, TO
ADDRESS THE PUBLIC FORUM.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FRANK. FRANK DOES A VERY GOOD JOB AS
OMBUDSMAN.

I HOPE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIND ALTERNATE PATHS FOR PEOPLE WITH PROBLEMS THAT
REALLY DON'T BELONG IN YOUR SHOP TO END UP IN THE RIGHT PLACE SO THAT YOU
DON'T HAVE TO PLAY TRAFFIC COP.

BUT WE MAY HAVE TO BE CREATIVE ABOUT FINDING WAYS TO EDUCATE PEOPLE ABOUT
THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FRANK.

>>FRANK FOWLIE: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>VINT CERF: I'D LIKE TO CALL ON DAVID CONRAD NOW TO GIVE THE IANA REPORT.
>>DAVID CONRAD: HELLO, EVERYONE. DAVID CONRAD, GENERAL MANAGER OF IANA.

I APOLOGIZE IF I SEEM A LITTLE MORE SPACY THAN USUAL RIGHT NOW. I PICKED UP
A COLD AND AM ON ANTIHISTAMINES. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

GIVING A QUICK STATUS UPDATE ON IANA, PRIMARILY WHAT IANA HAS BEEN DOING
SINCE THE WELLINGTON MEETING.

A QUICK OVERVIEW -- HELLO. I GUESS I COULD ACTUALLY DISPLAY SOMETHING, HUH?

OKAY.

A QUICK OVERVIEW. JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHAT WE'RE DOING,
WHAT'S COMING UP AND THE THINGS THAT ARE KEEPING US UP AT NIGHT.

DEVELOPMENT SINCE WELLINGTON, THE GOOD NEWS, WE CONTINUE TO IMPROVE RESOURCE
REQUEST PROCESSING. IN GENERAL, ALL OF THE STATISTICS THAT WE'VE GATHERED
HAVE INDICATED THAT WE'RE IMPROVING THE TURNAROUND TIMES ON REQUESTS AS WE
RECEIVE THEM.

WE HAVE WRITTEN UP A LOT OF DRAFT DOCUMENTS. THEY ARE CURRENTLY IN REVIEW
STAGE. SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE BASICALLY READY TO GO. WE WANT TO
PROVIDE THEM UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, ALTHOUGH THE MECHANISMS BY WHICH IANA
DOES THAT IS A LITTLE UNCLEAR AT THIS STAGE.

WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD ANY MAJOR ISSUES. THE ONLY ISSUE, WHICH ISN'T REALLY
AN ISSUE, IS THAT MICHELLE COTTON HAS TAKEN MATERNITY LEAVE, AND MICHELLE IS
ONE OF OUR KEY EMPLOYEES WITHIN THE IANA, AND THAT'S CAUSED A LITTLE DELAY AS
WE RAMP UP PEOPLE TO TAKE OVER SOME OF THE TASKS THAT MICHELLE DOES. SHE
DOES SO MUCH THAT THAT DOES HAVE AN IMPACT ON US.

THE NOT-SO-GOOD NEWS IS THAT RESOURCE CONSTRAINTS AT IANA HAVE RESULTED IN US
NOT FULLY MEETING ALL THE GOALS WE SET FOR OURSELVES IN WELLINGTON.

BASICALLY THE MAJOR LIMITING FACTOR IS STAFF TIME. GIVEN WE HAVE BEEN
WRITING SO MANY DOCUMENTS, TRYING TO DOCUMENT OUR PROCEDURES, WRITING TAKES A
LONG TIME, WHICH HAS DELAYED OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE BEEN WANTING TO DO.

WE ARE STILL HAVING DIFFICULTY FINDING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN THE
BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES AREA. CAN'T UNDERSTAND IT MYSELF. AND ALSO
TRAINING REPLACEMENT STAFF DOES TAKE SOME TIME. AS A RESULT, SOME OF THE
PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN -- WE UNDERTOOK TO COMPLETE AT WELLINGTON HAVE NOT
ACTUALLY BEEN COMPLETED.

ALSO, AND PROBABLY UNIQUE IN THE HISTORY OF SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S
ACTUALLY TAKING A BIT LONGER THAN WE ANTICIPATED.

THESE GRAPHS ARE PRIMARILY JUST TO SHOW THE TREND LINES THAT WE HAVE WITH
REGARDS TO REQUEST PROCESSING.

THEY ARE, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ALL PLEASINGLY DEPRESSING. THEY ARE
ALL GOING DOWN.

THE ONE ON THE LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER HERE IS THE PROCESSING OF ROOT
MANAGEMENT REQUESTS. THAT'S GENERALLY CONSIDERED THE MOST POLITICALLY
SENSITIVE.

THE DEVELOPMENT SINCE WELLINGTON, THIS LISTS THE GOALS, SORT OF THE MAJOR
PROJECTS THAT WE HAD UNDERTAKEN SINCE WELLINGTON.

OR THAT WE -- THESE ARE THE GOALS THAT WE HAD INDICATED THAT WE WANTED TO
HAVE COMPLETED BY WELLINGTON.

HIRING ADDITIONAL STAFF, WE HAVE ACTUALLY PROMOTED MICHELLE COTTON TO IETF
LIAISON.

WE HAVE POSTED A POSITION FOR THE NUMBERS LIAISON BUT WE HAVEN'T FILLED THAT
ROLE AS YET. THE RED BLOCK THERE INDICATES THAT IS THE ONE I AM THE MOST
UNHAPPY WITH. THE AUTOMATION PROJECTS HAVE NOT MOVED AS QUICKLY AS I
DESIRED. THE ALPHA TEST, WE'RE IN ALPHA TEST FOR PEN, PRIVATE ENTERPRISE
NUMBER, ALLOCATIONS. THE EIANA PROJECT, WHICH IS THE TOOL WE'RE USING BASED
OFF OF THE NASC TECHNOLOGY, EIANA TECHNOLOGY, IS CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON
ACTIVELY, AND WE HOPE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC
CONSUMPTION, IF NOT PRODUCTION USE, BY THE END OF THE MONTH, NEXT MONTH.

AND WE'RE IN DESIGN PHASE FOR A COUPLE OF OTHER APPLICATIONS.

WE HAVE CLEARED THE CURRENT REQUEST BACKLOG. UNFORTUNATELY, DUE TO THE
TRAINING OF NEW STAFF AND THE DOCUMENTATION, THE BACKLOG HAS GROWN UP A
LITTLE BIT.

LET'S SEE. THE OTHER -- OH, THE OTHER SORT OF HIGH PRIORITY ONE WAS THE NEW
IANA WEB SITE. IT HAS GONE UP. PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN NOTICE OF IT. THIS IS A
SCREEN SHOT OF IT.

WE'RE ABOUT READY TO MOVE INTO SORT OF LIMITED PRODUCTION WITH IT. WE
HAVEN'T RECEIVED A WHOLE LOT OF COMMENTS. IF YOU HAVE -- IF YOU DO HAVE A
CHANCE GO TO TEST.ICANN.ORG, PLAY AROUND WITH IT, SEE WHAT YOU LIKE, WHAT YOU
DON'T LIKE. IT'S STILL PRIMARILY ORIENTED ON STRUCTURE. WE HAVE SOME
CONTENT THAT HASN'T BEEN FULLY UPDATED YET, BUT IN GENERAL THE WEB SITE IS
COMING CLOSE TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO PUT IT INTO SOME LIMITED
PRODUCTION USE.

JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DON'T STAY HOME AND SIT BACK AND DRINK PINA COLADAS. WE
ACTUALLY GO TO MANY DIFFERENT PLACES TO SIT BACK AND DRINK PINA COLADAS.
THESE ARE THE MEETINGS THE IANA STAFF HAVE ATTENDED. THERE'S A LARGE FOCUS
ON THE RIR COMMUNITY. WE ALSO HAVE ATTENDED IETFS. AND KEN JUST RECENTLY
WAS HELPING WITH TRAINING AT THE PACNOG MEETING IN LOVELY DOWNTOWN APIA.

CURRENT ACTIVITIES, BASICALLY WE'RE CONTINUING ON DOING BASICALLY THE SAME AS
WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR THE PAST THREE MONTHS. OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS TO
CONTINUE TO IMPROVE PROCESSING OF REQUESTS.

WE DO HAVE A STRONG FOCUS RIGHT NOW ON DOCUMENTING IANA PROCESSES AND
GENERATING STATISTICS AND REPORTS. AND I'M GETTING THE WHIP OUT AND BEATING
THE SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS ON THE AUTOMATION PROJECTS.

I'M REALLY HOPING TO HIRE THE NUMBERS LIAISON PERSON BEFORE THE END OF JULY,
AND HOPEFULLY TO PUT THE AUTOMATION PROJECTS IN PUBLIC BETA.

SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE WERE WORKING ON SINCE WELLINGTON, I WON'T
GO INTO A GREAT DETAIL ON THESE. THIS, OBVIOUSLY THE SLIDE DECK WILL BE
AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO PERUSE AS THEY DESIRE.

IN THE FUTURE, OR IN THE NEAR FUTURE, AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE GOING TO BE
MIGRATING TO THE NEW IANA WEB SITE. WE'RE SPENDING A LOT OF EFFORT TRYING TO
GET THE AUTOMATION UP AND RUNNING SO PEOPLE CAN ACTUALLY TRY AND USE IT AND
ALSO HAVE SOME AUTOMATED STATISTICS AND REPORT GENERATION SO I DON'T HAVE TO
USE EXCEL ANYMORE.

IN TERMS OF DOCUMENTATION, WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING A LOT OF TIME DOING THIS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING ADDRESS AND IETF RESOURCE ALLOCATION PROCEDURAL
DRAFTS AVAILABLE TO THE APPROPRIATE COMMUNITIES FOR THEM TO REVIEW AND TELL
US WHAT WE'RE DOING WRONG, OR DOING RIGHT FOR THAT MATTER.

A REDELEGATION DOCUMENTS, NAME SERVER CHANGE DOCUMENTS AND DATA CHANGE
DOCUMENTS, AS WELL AS KIM DAVIES, THE NAMES LIAISON, HAS PREPARED DOCUMENTS
ON SUNSETTING CCTLDS, GLUE POLICY, AND TECHNICAL CHECKS/REQUIREMENTS. ALL
TOTALED, WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING AT SOMEWHERE ON THE ORDER OF 750 TO A
THOUSAND PAGES OF DOCUMENTATION THAT HAVE BEEN PREPARED BY IANA OVER THE LAST
FEW MONTHS.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF SIGNING A PERFORMANCE MOU WITH THE IETF. I BELIEVE
THAT DOCUMENT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE IETF COMMUNITY. IF YOU'RE INVOLVED
WITH THE IETF, YOU MAY WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND MAKE ANY COMMENTS THAT
YOU MIGHT LIKE TO MAKE.

AND WE HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PROJECTS. SIGNING .ARPA, DNX SIGNING
.ARPA IS ONE OF THE MORE INTERESTING ONES BUT I WON'T GO INTO SIGNIFICANT
DETAIL ON THOSE. THERE ARE JUST WAY TOO MANY OF THEM.

IN THE FUTURE, LOOKING AT THE MEDIUM TO LONG TERM, MY FOCUS HAS BEEN ON HOW
DO WE CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IANA? WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED TO DO TO MAKE THINGS
BETTER?

AS A SERVICE COMPANY, IANA HAS THE NEED TO CONTINUALLY IMPROVE OUR SERVICES
TO TRY TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF OUR CUSTOMERS.

THERE ARE ALSO A BUNCH OF OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT. FOR
EXAMPLE, DNSSEC SIGNING OF THE ROOT AND X.509 CA ADDRESSING TRUST ANCHOR
THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THE RIRS. AND IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME AT THIS STAGE WHAT
IANA'S ROLE IS.

THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DOT INT POLICY. IANA IS BOTH THE REGISTRY
AND REGISTRAR FOR DOT INT, AND IT'S NOT CLEAR, SINCE IANA DOES NOT MAKE
POLICY, WHO ACTUALLY DOES MAKE THE POLICIES WITH REGARDS TO DOT INT.

THERE'S A GLOBAL IPV6 POLICY THAT'S BEING -- SHOULD BE SUBMITTED TO ICANN'S
BOARD IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND THERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED
WITH REGARDS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CHANGE IN THE WAY END-USER ALLOCATIONS ARE
BEING DONE WILL -- SHOULD OR WILL IMPACT THE ALLOCATIONS FROM THE IANA TO THE
RIRS. BUT THAT GETS ALL COMPLICATED UP IN THE WAY THE POLICIES ARE ACTUALLY
GENERATED.

AND THEN THERE'S THE -- WHAT IS EXACTLY IANA'S FUTURE IN THE POST-MOU WORLD?
WILL I BELIEVE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SIT AND DRINK PINA COLADAS THAT I HAVE
BECOME SO FOND OF.

WITH THAT, I WILL PASS IT BACK.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, DAVID. IT HAS CERTAINLY BEEN GOOD TO HAVE YOU ON
BOARD AND WORKING HARD ON ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT FUNCTIONS THAT ICANN
PERFORMS.

WE HAVE SOME TIME NOW FOR QUESTIONS, NOT ONLY FOR DAVID BUT ALSO FOR GEORGE
OR OTHERS WHO WERE UP IN THIS LAST CYCLE.

SO VENI, YOU HAD A QUESTION FOR GEORGE.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: YES.

GEORGE, YOU'RE HAVING A WORKSHOP TOMORROW AFTERNOON.

>>GEORGE SADOWSKY: (NODS HEAD.)
>>VENI MARKOVSKI: AND I SAW A BUNCH OF ADVERTISEMENTS PRINTED, WHICH
UNFORTUNATELY STAY UPSTAIRS ON ONE TABLE, WHICH MEANS NOBODY IS PICKING THEM
UP. I WAS EXPECTING THEY WOULD BE OVER BY NOW.

ONE OF MY CONCERNS IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS, UNFORTUNATELY ONLY IN THE LAST FEW
MONTHS, HAS BEEN THE AMOUNT OF TIME THE FUTURE DIRECTORS ARE GOING TO SPEND
IS ONLY INCREASING. IT DOESN'T SEEM THAT IT'S GOING TO DECREASE. AND THE
CALCULATIONS THAT I HAVE MADE SHOW THAT WE, AT THE MOMENT, SPEND ABOUT 26
WEEKS A YEAR ON THE ICANN BOARD WORK.

THAT IS IF WE ARE NOT NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS, AND WE SPENT ON AVERAGE FIVE
MINUTES PER WRITING OR READING E-MAIL. NOW, WHEN I SAY "AVERAGE," SOME OF
THEM CONSIST OF HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF DOCUMENTS. SOME OF THEM ARE REALLY
SHORT.

IT WOULD BE GOOD TO WARN PEOPLE IN ADVANCE WHAT THEY HAVE TO EXPECT IN TERMS
OF TIME, BECAUSE TO BE REALLY ANNOYING YOU, THEY START TO GET UPSET -- I MEAN
IF THEY ARE UPSET BY YOU, THAT'S OKAY, BUT THEY MAY GET UPSET BY THE WORK ON
THE BOARD.

AND I REALLY DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE ICANN NEEDS PEOPLE WHO CAN
ALLOCATE THIS TIME. AND THIS TIME ALLOCATION SHOULD NOT INFLUENCE THEIR
USUAL WORK.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A QUESTION. IT'S LIKE AN OBSERVATION.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, VENI. THAT NUMBER OF 26 WEEKS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE
THAT CAME FROM. I DON'T CALCULATE THAT NUMBER MYSELF. I SPEND ABOUT A
QUARTER OF MY TIME ON ICANN-RELATED MATTERS BUT MAYBE THAT'S BECAUSE I AM A
NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKER.
>>VENI MARKOVSKI: THAT MAY BE THE CASE, PLUS THIS IS 26 WORKING WEEKS,
MEANING I EXCLUDED SATURDAYS AND SUNDAY. SO IT'S LIKE 130 DAYS, WHICH IF YOU
PUT IT IN TERMS OF A YEAR, IS ONE-THIRD OF A YEAR.

SO IT'S EIGHT-HOUR DAYS. IT'S JUST -- THAT'S WHY I CALL THIS 26 WORKING
WEEKS.

AND I CALCULATE THE MEETINGS WHERE WE ARE NOW AS ONLY EIGHT HOURS, EVEN
THOUGH THEY ARE 16, 18.

>>VINT CERF: OKAY.

THE PROBLEM WITH 26 WEEKS IS THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE HALF A YEAR SINCE THERE ARE
52 WEEKS A YEAR.

SO TRUTH IN ADVERTISING NEEDS TO BE REFINED A LITTLE BIT.

DID I SEE A HAND GOING UP? YES, DEMI, PLEASE.

>>DEMI GETSCHKO: JUST A QUESTION TO GEORGE.

IF THERE IS A THRESHOLD UNDER WHAT -- IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO SELECT
CANDIDATES AND HOW WE ARE NOW (INAUDIBLE).

>>GEORGE SADOWSKY: CAN YOU SAY A LITTLE BIT MORE? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND
THE QUESTION.
>>VINT CERF: I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING, GEORGE, IF YOU WILL PERMIT ME TO
INTERPRET, IS THAT IS THERE SOME AMOUNT OF TIME, PERCENTAGE OF YEAR OR
SOMETHING, BELOW WHICH YOU CAN GET CANDIDATES AND ABOVE WHICH YOU JUST CAN'T
GET ANY AT ALL? OR IT MAY NOT BE THAT TIGHT, BUT MAYBE THERE'S A FAIRLY
OBVIOUS PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY SAYS, "I'M SORRY, I COULDN'T POSSIBLY SPEND THAT
AMOUNT OF TIME ON THAT PARTICULAR TASK."
>>GEORGE SADOWSKY: WE REALLY HAVEN'T TESTED THAT HYPOTHESIS BECAUSE WE CAN'T
OFFER THE LOW-AMOUNT-OF-TIME POSITION, UNFORTUNATELY.

BUT SOMETHING VENI SAID LED ME TO REMEMBER I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT IN THIS
ROOM TOMORROW AT 2:00, WE WILL BE HAVING A ONE-HOUR NOMINATING COMMITTEE
PRESENTATION IF ANY OF YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE. WE ARE HAVING IT IN THIS ROOM
BECAUSE WE ARE WEBCASTING IT AND THIS IS THE ROOM FROM WHICH WEBCASTING IS
DONE.

>>VINT CERF: OKAY, GEORGE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, EITHER FROM THE
BOARD OR FROM THE FLOOR? OR ANY SPEAKERS?

YES, BECKY BURR.

>>BECKY BURR: SORRY, I'M SHORTER THAN THE AVERAGE SPEAKER, I GUESS.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, ONE FOR FRANK FOWLIE AND ONE FOR DAVE CONRAD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WANT ME TO --

>>VINT CERF: START WITH FRANK AND THEN GO TO DAVID.

WHERE IS FRANK?

FRANK IS DASHING BACK TO THE LECTERN.

AND THERE COMES DAVID.

>>BECKY BURR: WE'LL ALL STARE AT HIM WHILE HE DASHES SO AS TO MAKE HIM MOST
UNCOMFORTABLE.

JUST A JOKE.

THANKS.

I WAS INTERESTED IN YOUR REPORT THAT OF ALL OF THE CASES OVER WHICH YOU HAD
JURISDICTION, NOT THE CASES THAT WERE UNRESOLVED, BUT IN THE CASES WHERE YOU
HAD JURISDICTION, YOU LISTED THEM AS EITHER BEING RESOLVED OR ABANDONED IN
ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

ONE OF THEM MIGHT HAVE BEEN REFERRED OR THE LIKE.

THAT SURPRISES ME, BECAUSE I -- AS YOUR ROLE IS ADVISORY, I WOULD EXPECT THAT
THERE WOULD BE CASES WHERE THERE WOULD BE A SORT OF CATEGORY OF OVERTAKEN BY
EVENTS COMPLAINTS, IN OTHER WORDS, SOMEBODY RAISED AN ISSUE, THE BOARD OR THE
STAFF SAID, "WE HEAR YOU.

WE'RE DOING WHAT WE WANT ANYWAY."

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE COMPLAINTS?

AND HOW CAN WE REALLY EVALUATE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF YOUR OFFICE IF WE DON'T
HAVE THAT INFORMATION?

LET ME JUST SAY, I WAS ASKED DURING THE EVOLUTION AND REFORM COMMITTEE TO
DRAFT THE CHARTER FOR THE OMBUDSMAN.

AND THE INITIAL CHARTER I DRAFTED GAVE THE OMBUDSMAN SIGNIFICANTLY MORE
INDEPENDENCE.

SO MY QUESTION IS, DID WE GET IT WRONG?

AND WHERE IS THAT CATEGORY OF "OVERTAKEN BY EVENTS" COMPLAINTS?

>>FRANK FOWLIE: I THINK YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO ASK ONE QUESTION, BUT I
THINK I HEARD ABOUT EIGHT.
>>BECKY BURR: WELL, OKAY, WHERE ARE THE "OVERTAKEN BY EVENTS" ONE?
>>FRANK FOWLIE: I THINK THE FIRST THING IS, IT'S NOT A BINARY CODING AT THE
END OF A FILE.

IT ISN'T EITHER THAT THE FILE IS RESOLVED OR ABANDONED.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER CATEGORIES, FOR EXAMPLE, NO FURTHER WORK IS -- OR
-- CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WORDING, BUT NO FURTHER WORK IS REQUIRED, WHICH
INDICATES ALONG THE WAY THAT EITHER THE -- IT'S FOUND THAT THE COMPLAINT IS
NOT SUBSTANTIATED OR THERE'S NOT ANYTHING FURTHER THAT'S REQUIRED.

IN THE CODING COMING UP IN THE FORTHCOMING FISCAL YEAR, I'VE ADDED IN AN
ADDITIONAL CLOSING CATEGORY ON ESCALATED FOR THOSE COMPLAINTS THAT GO THROUGH
MY OFFICE AND ARE ESCALATED TO EITHER THE BOARD RECONSIDERATION OR THE
INDEPENDENT REVIEW PROCESS BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T SATISFIED WITH IT.

WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING -- AND YOU'LL, I'M SURE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG -- IS
THAT IF I GET INTO A SITUATION WHERE THERE'S INTRANSIGENCE ON ONE PARTY OR
THE OTHER TO DRAW AN ADR PROCESS TO A SUCCESSFUL CONCLUSION, I THINK THERE
ARE TWO THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN.

THE FIRST THING IS, IF THAT PARTY HAPPENS TO BE AN ICANN BOARD, STAFF, OR
SUPPORTING ORGANIZATION, I HAVE THE ABILITY UNDER THE OMBUDSMAN FRAMEWORK TO
MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS.

I HAVE MADE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THREE OR FOUR FILES OVER THE PAST YEAR WHERE I
FELT IT'S NECESSARY TO INVOLVE THE BOARD TO CURE SYSTEMIC ISSUES OR TO CURE
SPECIFIC ISSUES BY THE CHANGE OF A BYLAW OR SOMETHING WITHIN THEIR REALM OF
EMPOWERMENT.

I'VE ALSO USED THAT POWER TO GO TO THE BOARD WHERE I FEEL THAT THERE'S BEEN
STAFF ACTION THAT'S NOTEWORTHY AND NECESSARY FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH.

THE SECOND STEP IS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT NOT ALL DISPUTES CAN BE DEALT WITH
BY ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION.

AND AT SOME POINT, IF THERE IS A DIFFICULTY IN DRAWING THE PARTIES TOGETHER,
ALTERNATIVE DISPUTE RESOLUTION MAY NOT BE THE MOST APPROPRIATE PROCESS FOR
THE PARTIES TO TRY TO GET A RESOLUTION THAT EACH OF THEM CAN GET A BUY-IN TO
AND EACH OF THEM CAN AGREE TO.

VERY OFTEN, IT WILL BE -- OR SOMETIMES IT WILL BE THE CASE THAT IT WILL BE
THE CHOICE OF A PERSON MAKING A COMPLAINT TO ME TO THEN GO TO A BOARD
RECONSIDERATION OR TO GO OUTSIDE OF THE INTERNAL PROCESSES AND LOOK AT
COURTS.

IT IS A NORMAL STANDARD FOR OMBUDSMAN AROUND THE WORLD THAT THEY ACT AS THE
LOWEST LEVEL OF CONFLICT RESOLUTION POSSIBLE AFTER ALL ADMINISTRATIVE ROUTES
HAVE BEEN EXHAUSTED.

AND IF AT THAT POINT THE COMPLAINANT DECIDES THAT THAT LOW LEVEL OF CONFLICT
RESOLUTION ISN'T APPROPRIATE TO THEIR NEEDS OR THE INSTITUTION, BECAUSE THERE
IS A PRINCIPLE THAT DOESN'T PERMIT THEM TO DO ADR AS OPPOSED TO FORMAL
DISPUTE RESOLUTION, THAT'S BEYOND MY CAPACITY TO DICTATE.

THAT HAS TO BE ORGANIC TO THE PARTIES.

>>BECKY BURR: I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S -- THAT CATEGORY THAT YOU DESCRIBED
OF "NO FURTHER ACTION," COULD IMPLY TO FURTHER ACTION WAS NEEDED BECAUSE IT
WAS RESOLVED OR THE PARTIES WERE HAPPY.

AND I'M JUST SAYING THERE'S NO TRANSPARENCY ON THAT ISSUE OF RECOMMENDATIONS.

I MEAN, DO WE KNOW -- HAVE A WAY OF KNOWING WHEN OR WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS --

>>FRANK FOWLIE: YES, IF YOU READ THE ANNUAL REPORT, ALL MY RECOMMENDATIONS
ARE REPORTED TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY MAY NOT BE IN DETAIL, AGAIN, BECAUSE I HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT THE
CONFIDENTIALITY OF THE PROCESS AND OF THE PEOPLE MAKING COMPLAINTS AND THE
MANNER THAT RESOLUTION TAKES PLACE, BECAUSE IT IS AN INFORMAL PROCESS.

BUT IN THE ANNUAL REPORT OF LAST YEAR AND IN THE ANNUAL REPORT THAT WILL BE
FORTHCOMING IN THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS AND MONTHS, YOU WILL SEE MY
RECOMMENDATIONS ARE PUT IN THE PUBLIC FORUM.

>>BECKY BURR: GREAT.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: AND THE NEXT QUESTION, I GUESS, IS NOW TO DAVID CONRAD.

THANK YOU, DAVID.

>>BECKY BURR: THANKS.

I WAS -- WELL, LET ME JUST -- YOU TALKED ABOUT ROUTE MANAGEMENT ISSUES AS
BEING THE MOST POLITICALLY SENSITIVE AND THEREFORE THE ONES WHERE THE SLOPE
OF IMPROVEMENT WAS FLATTER THAN THE REST.

AND THAT'S NOT A CRITICISM.

THAT'S JUST A QUESTION -- I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT WAS THAT LAST CATEGORY
WHERE THE DECLINE WAS LESS STEEP THAN OTHERS.

THAT -- IN THE LAST YEAR, A NUMBER OF NEW STLDS HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE ROOT.

BUT THE LAST REPORT THAT HAS BEEN POSTED WAS POSTED ON AUGUST 5TH WITH
RESPECT TO THE DOT TRAVEL.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REPORT THAT NEEDS TO GO TO THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT WITH
RESPECT TO THOSE ADDITIONS AND REDELEGATIONS AND STUFF.

CERTAINLY JOBS AND CAT AND MOBI HAD REPORTS.

SO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.

ONE, WHEN ARE THOSE REPORTS GOING TO GET POSTED?

AND HAS THERE BEEN ANY CHANGE IN THE -- THE FORMAT OR NATURE OF THOSE REPORTS
IN THE LAST YEAR?

>>DAVE CONRAD: ANSWERING YOUR SECOND QUESTION FIRST, NO, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE
-- SINCE I'VE BEEN AT ICANN, THE FORMAT HAS NOT CHANGED.

I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT THE FORMAT WAS BEFORE I JOINED ICANN IN NOVEMBER
OF LAST YEAR.

>>BECKY BURR: OKAY.

SO THE LAST ONE THAT'S POSTED PREDATES YOU?

>>DAVE CONRAD: IS THAT TRUE?
>>BECKY BURR: AUGUST OF TWO THOUSAND AND --
>>DAVE CONRAD: I THOUGHT THERE WERE REPORTS SINCE MY JOINING. BUT WITH
REGARDS TO YOUR SECOND QUESTION, THE PROCESS BY WHICH WE ACTUALLY TAKE THE
INTERNALLY GENERATED REPORT AND PUT IT ON THE WEB DOES INVOLVE WORKING WITH
THE DELEGATEE TO REMOVE INFORMATION THAT THEY CONSIDER SENSITIVE.

AND THAT PROCESS CAN TAKE SOME TIME.

IT'S -- WE HAVE NOT HELD UP A REPORT FOR ANY REASON INTERNALLY WITHIN ICANN
OR IANA.

>>BECKY BURR: SO THEY GO UP WHEN THEY'RE DONE, BASICALLY?
>>DAVE CONRAD: EXACTLY.
>>BECKY BURR: AND THAT WOULD MEAN, LIKE CAT AND --
>>DAVE CONRAD: CORRECT.

I THOUGHT CAT WAS POSTED, BUT --

>>BECKY BURR: ONE PIECE OF THAT -- OH, I SEE, YOU'RE SAYING THAT AFTER THEY
ARE SENT TO THE COMMERCE DEPARTMENT, THEN THERE'S A DISCUSSION --
>>DAVE CONRAD: EXACTLY.
>>BECKY BURR: -- ABOUT REMOVING PROPRIETARY INFORMATION.
>>DAVE CONRAD: ONCE WE SEND IT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, THEN WE ALSO
WORK WITH THE DELEGATEE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE HAPPY WITH THE REPORT, THAT
THERE IS NO SENSITIVE BUSINESS CONFIDENTIAL DATA IN THAT REPORT BEFORE THAT'S
PUT UP ON THE WEB FOR ALL TO SEE.
>>BECKY BURR: OKAY.

THANKS.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, DAVID.

WE HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION NOW.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>>KEN FOCKLER: KEN FOCKLER, QUESTIONS FOR DAVID.

A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

I WAS INTERESTED IN THE REFERENCE TO A PERFORMANCE MOU --

>>DAVID CONRAD: YES.
>>KEN FOCKLER: WITH IETF?

IS IT IN RELATION WITH THE IETF?

IS IT YOUR PERFORMANCE OR THEIR PERFORMANCE?

AND --

>>DAVE CONRAD: ACTUALLY, IT'S A BIT OF BOTH, TO BE HONEST.
>>KEN FOCKLER: COULD BE. AND AS I THOUGHT ABOUT THAT, I STARTED TO ASK
MYSELF OR SEE IF WE COULD EXPAND A LITTLE BIT ON IANA AS AN ENTITY, WHAT IS
ITS STATUS.

AND WHEN YOU SIGN AN MOU, DO YOU HAVE YOUR OWN LETTERHEAD?

ARE YOU UNDER THE GUARDIANSHIP OF ICANN?

AND JUST KIND OF HOW DOES THAT WORK?

>>DAVE CONRAD: THE MOU WOULD BE WITH ICANN FOR THE IANA FUNCTION.

THE MOU WITH THE IETF IS BASICALLY PROVIDING SLAS FOR IANA SERVICES TO THE
IETF WITH REGARDS TO REQUEST PROCESSING AND STATISTICS AND REPORTING
GENERATION.

THOMAS, ACTUALLY, WHO'S BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS MIGHT WANT
TO ADD ADDITIONAL INFORMATION.

BUT, BASICALLY, IT'S A WAY THAT THE IETF AND IANA, ICANN, CAN AGREE UPON SORT
OF WHAT THE BASELINE PERFORMANCE OF THE IANA FUNCTION WITH RESPECT TO IETF
FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE.

>>KEN FOCKLER: OKAY.
>>DAVE CONRAD: IT IS ACTUALLY A -- A MUTUAL THING.

THERE ARE TIMELINES THAT THE IETF, IESG BODIES MUST PERFORM CERTAIN DUTIES
FOR IANA AS WELL.

>>KEN FOCKLER: OKAY.

JUST BACK TO THE OTHER -- IS THE IANA FUNCTION, THOUGH, IN LOCKSTEP
CONTRACTUALLY WITH ALL THE ICANN FUNCTION?

LIKE, DOES THE MOU WITH THE D.O.C. JUST COVER IT ALL?

I DON'T KNOW IF I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR.

IS IT KIND OF -- HISTORY DIDN'T --

>>VINT CERF: THE IANA FUNCTION AND THE MOU WITH ICANN, BETWEEN ICANN AND THE
D.O.C, ARE SYNCHRONIZED NOW.
>>KEN FOCKLER: OKAY.

THANK YOU.

>>SABINE DOLDERER: SABINE DOLDERER.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION TO DAVID, TOO.

IT STRIKES ME WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SLAS FOR THE IANA FUNCTION FOR THE IETF.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF -- A LOT OF MOVEMENT AHEAD IN THE LAST
SEVERAL MONTHS, AND I CONGRATULATE YOU ON THAT.

THE QUESTION IS, IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE A SIMILAR LIST OF SLAS FOR THE TLD
FUNCTION OF IANA?

>>DAVE CONRAD: I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THE DISCUSSIONS.

I MEAN, IT LARGELY DEPENDS ON WHAT COMMUNITY THAT I'M WORKING WITH.

IANA IS A SERVICE ORGANIZATION, AND OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE THE BEST SERVICE
TO ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS.

>>SABINE DOLDERER: THANK YOU.
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, SABINE.

AND THANK YOU, DAVID.

THERE BEING NO MORE -- VENI.

SO YOU'RE NOW FILLING IN A FUNCTION THAT ONE OF OUR FORMER BOARD MEMBERS USED
TO HAVE.

HE ALWAYS HAD A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU, YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED
NOT THAT MANY RESPONSES TO THE NEW WEB SITE.

WHEN YOU SAY "NOT THAT MANY," ONE?

FIVE?

TEN?

>>DAVE CONRAD: FIFTYISH.
>>VENI MARKOVSKI: OKAY.
>>DAVE CONRAD: TWENTY-FIVE-ISH. KIM DAVIES ACTUALLY PUT HIS PERSONAL E-MAIL
ADDRESS AS THE CONTACT POINT.

AND HE WAS JUST REALLY HOPING THAT HE WAS GOING TO GET BURIED.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: I JUST NEED -- SORRY. I JUST NEED THIS INFORMATION FOR
LATER COMMENTS WHICH ARE GOING TO COME UP PROBABLY.
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I THINK, DAVID, YOU CAN STAND DOWN.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'LL TAKE A BREAK NOW.

THIS BREAK IS A LITTLE LATE STARTING, SO I WILL RECONVENE AT 4:00.

(BREAK.)
>>VINT CERF: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WOULD YOU KINDLY TAKE YOUR SEATS.

WE'RE GOING TO RESTART THE PUBLIC FORUM SESSION.

IF YOU'LL KINDLY TAKE YOUR SEATS, WE'LL BEGIN WITH OUR REPORT FROM THE CCNSO,
GIVEN BY CHRIS DISSPAIN, ITS CHAIRMAN.

CHRIS, BEFORE YOU START, I HAVE A NETWORK ALERT.

SOMEONE HAS A PEER-TO-PEER NETWORK ENABLED CALLED TSD0.

IT'S DYNAMICALLY CHANGING ITS I.P. ADDRESSES AND INTERFERING WITH EVERYONE
ELSE IN THE ROOM.

WHOEVER HAS TSD0 OPERATING, WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT IT OFF.

CHRIS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, VINT.

GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.

THIS IS A VERY BRIEF REPORT FROM THE CCNSO.

I JUST -- WE HAVE PREPARED A FORMAL DOCUMENT, WHICH WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE TO
EVERYBODY AND PUBLISHED.

I DON'T PROPOSE TO RUN THROUGH IT IN DETAIL.

BUT THERE ARE A FEW POINTS I'D LIKE TO MENTION.

WE'VE HAD A VERY SUCCESSFUL MEETING, AND WE'VE DISCUSSED A NUMBER OF ISSUES
WHICH ARE OF REAL RELEVANCE TO THE CCTLD COMMUNITY.

THE FIRST ONE THAT I'D JUST LIKE TO TOUCH ON IS THE REGIONS, THE ICANN
REGIONS.

UNDER THE TERMS OF THE -- YOUR BYLAWS, THE REGIONS ARE UP FOR REVIEW THIS
YEAR, THIS BEING THE THIRD YEAR OF THE CURRENT STATUS.

THE CCTLD COMMUNITY AND THE CCNSO DIDN'T REALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE PREVIOUS
REVIEW.

WE WERE BUSY FORMING THE CCNSO AT THE TIME.

WE DO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INPUT TO GIVE YOU IN RESPECT TO THE
REGIONS WHICH, AS I'M SURE YOU'LL APPRECIATE, AFFECTS THE CCTLD COMMUNITY
VERY SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND WE RESOLVED TODAY THAT WE WOULD BE PROVIDING YOU WITH A PAPER REQUESTING
THAT THE REVIEW BE CONDUCTED IN A PARTICULAR WAY, THAT IT BE A FULL REVIEW,
PERHAPS INVOLVING A TASK FORCE TO CONSIDER THE WHOLE REGIONAL SITUATION.

SO THAT WILL BE COMING.

SOME GOOD NEWS.

OUR BUDGET WORKING GROUP -- THIS IS THE WORKING GROUP THAT IS DEALING WITH
FINDING A METHODOLOGY UNDER WHICH CCTLDS CAN MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS TO ICANN --
SHOULD IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE BE PUBLISHING A SET OF GUIDELINES, OBVIOUSLY,
SUBJECT TO MEMBERS' COMMENTS, BUT PUBLISHING A SET OF GUIDELINES MAKING A
SUGGESTION AS TO HOW THE CCTLD COMMUNITY SHOULD CONSIDER MAKING PAYMENTS TO
ICANN, IN MUCH THE SAME WAY AS OUR ACCOUNTABILITY FRAMEWORK GUIDELINES WHERE
THESE ARE, AS I SAY, PURELY GUIDELINES.

HOWEVER, WE HOPE THAT GIVEN THAT THE GUIDELINES WILL MEET CONSENSUS IN THE
COMMUNITY, THAT THEY WILL AT LEAST ACT AS A GUIDE TO CCTLDS WHEN IT COMES TO
MAKING BUDGETARY CONTRIBUTIONS.

WE HAVE FORMED A TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP.

THE IDEA OF THIS TECHNICAL WORKING GROUP IS TO START PRODUCING A HANDBOOK FOR
CCTLD MANAGERS IN RESPECT TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS OF RUNNING A CCTLD, AND
ALSO LOOKING AT SOME POLICY ASPECTS THAT ARISE FROM THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS.

IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE A MINIMUM STANDARD OR BEST PRACTICE, BECAUSE THAT, AS
I'M SURE YOU'LL APPRECIATE, IS POLITICALLY SENSITIVE.

BUT WE CERTAINLY HOPE THIS WORKING GROUP, WHICH IS CHAIRED BY EBERHARDT LISA,
WILL PRODUCE SOME TECHNICAL INFORMATION FOR THE COMMUNITY.

FINALLY, ON IANA, WE ARE ONCE AGAIN EXTREMELY ENCOURAGED BY THE WORK THAT'S
BEING DONE AND THE EFFORT THAT'S BEING MADE ON IANA.

THERE IS ONE ISSUE WHICH WE HAVE SENT OFF TO OUR JOINT IANA WORKING GROUP,
AND THAT IS THAT THERE IS A CONCERN THAT THERE IS CURRENTLY NO MECHANISM AS
FAR AS WE ARE AWARE IN PLACE TO DECIDE WHETHER SOMETHING THAT IS BEING
CHANGED OR SOMETHING THAT IS BEING INTRODUCED IS POLICY OR ADMINISTRATION.

CLEARLY, IF IT'S POLICY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL, WHILST IT MIGHT NOT
NECESSARILY NEED TO GO THROUGH A POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, IS CERTAINLY
SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO BE INVOLVED IN, WHEREAS IF IT'S
ADMINISTRATION, IT MAY SIMPLY BE A MATTER THAT CAN BE -- THAT CAN BE DEALT
WITH BY NOTIFICATION AND DISCUSSION.

FINALLY, IF I COULD ASK, AS A FAVOR, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IF I COULD
DEAL WITH THEM NOW, AS I HAVE A JOINT CCNSO, GOVERNMENT ADVISORY COMMITTEE,
GOING ON UPSTAIRS AT WHICH I WOULD LIKE TO BE PRESENT.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHRIS, AS ALWAYS, FOR YOUR VERY HARD WORK
ON BEHALF OF THE CCNSO.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS EITHER FROM THE FLOOR OR FROM THE BOARD FOR CHRIS?

SUSAN.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: VERY BRIEF QUESTION, CHRIS.

AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR REPORT.

I WAS INTRIGUED BY THE MENTION OF REVIEWING THE ICANN REGIONS.

CAN YOU GIVE US ANY DETAIL ABOUT THAT?

OR INDICATION OF WHAT THAT'S ABOUT?

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: WELL, THE ICANN REGIONS ARE SET UP UNDER THE ICANN BYLAWS,
I BELIEVE.

BUT THERE IS A COMMITMENT IN THERE THAT THEY SHOULD BE REVIEWED EVERY THREE
YEARS.

FROM THE CCTLDS' POINT OF VIEW, THERE ARE THINGS THAT MAY NEED TO BE LOOKED
AT IN THAT REVIEW.

TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, THE -- THERE ARE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF
ARAB NATIONS WHO BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THEIR OWN REGION.

THERE IS ALSO AN ISSUE IN RESPECT TO TERRITORIES.

WE HAVE A SITUATION AT PRESENT WHERE, TO TAKE ONE EXAMPLE, THE CAYMAN ISLANDS
ARE PART OF EUROPE.

THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT THEY ARE A TERRITORY OF BRITAIN.

IT CAUSES SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS FOR US IN MANY WAYS.

LANGUAGE PROBLEMS IN SOME CASES, CULTURAL PROBLEMS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE CCNSO BYLAWS THAT SAYS THAT WHERE A CCTLD MANAGER
IS IN DOUBT ABOUT WHAT REGION -- WHICH REGION THEY SHOULD BE IN, THEY HAVE AN
OPTION TO CHOOSE.

HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR US TO USE THAT TO SOLVE, SAY, THE CAYMAN ISLANDS
PROBLEMS, WE WOULD HAVE TO INTERPRET THE WORD "DOUBT" TO MEAN "NOT
COMFORTABLE" OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

AND WHILST I SUPPOSE WE COULD DO THAT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WOULD
PARTICULARLY WANT TO DO.

WE WOULD PREFER THAT THE WHOLE THING BE LOOKED AT.

AND SO OUR SUGGESTION TO YOU IN OUR PAPER IS GOING TO BE THAT THERE IS,
EFFECTIVELY, A TASK FORCE OF ALL THE VARIOUS GROUPS, INCLUDING, OBVIOUSLY,
THE GAC, AND THAT THE TABLE IS EFFECTIVELY CLEARED, AND WE START FROM A BLANK
SHEET OF PAPER.

WE MAY END UP IN THE SAME PLACE AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

BUT AT LEAST IF WE START FROM A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER, WE CAN MAYBE COME UP
WITH SOME OTHER IDEAS.

JUST ONE OTHER POINT, IF I MAY.

THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT THE CURRENT ICANN REGIONS ARE BASED OR BUILT
AROUND THE UNITED NATIONS REGIONS.

THAT'S NOT STRICTLY TRUE.

THERE ARE, IN FACT, SIX U.N. REGIONS.

THERE IS A REGION CALLED OCEANIA, WHICH INCLUDES AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND
AND THE PACIFIC ISLANDS.

AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT I AM MAKING A PLUG FOR AUSTRALIA AND
NEW ZEALAND TO HAVE THEIR OWN REGION.

BUT IT'S NOT THE CASE THAT WE CAN SAY THAT WE'RE SIMPLY FOLLOWING THE U.N.
REGIONS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT.

SO I THINK IT'S A MATTER WORTHY OF WORK AND CONSIDERATION.

>>VINT CERF: ROBERTO.
>>ROBERTO GAETANO: YES.

THANK YOU.

YEAH, IN FACT, IT IS -- ACTUALLY, I AM MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS ONE, IF YOU
DON'T MIND.

IN FACT, IT IS DUE THIS YEAR, IF I'M RIGHT, IT WAS IN MONTREAL WHERE WE HAD
THE LAST REVISION.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: CORRECT.
>>ROBERTO GAETANO: BEAR IN MIND THAT THE CHANGE IN THE REGIONS IS SOMETHING
THAT IS OF INTEREST ALSO OF THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, BECAUSE WE ALSO
HAVE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS THE WAY THE REGIONS ARE SORTED.

AND WE HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE RECENTLY FOUND THAT WE
CAN, QUOTE, CALL THE FIRST EUROPEAN RALO MEETING IN TAHITI AND WE ARE SURELY
LOOKING FORWARD TO DO THIS, BUT THAT WILL INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY THE FLYING
TIME OF EVERYBODY.

BESIDES THAT, THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU THINKING OF SWITCHING -- CHANGING THE
BORDERS OR ARE YOU ALSO PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT WILL CHANGE THE NUMBER OF
REGIONS?

BECAUSE THAT MIGHT HAVE A HIGHER IMPACT IN TERMS OF THE ICANN BYLAWS AND
EVERYTHING.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: OKAY.

I -- THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS OF APPROACHING THIS ISSUE IS WHY I'M RECOMMENDING
THAT IT BE A CLEAN TABLE SUGGESTION.

THERE'S NOTHING INTRINSICALLY WRONG WITH, JUST TO TAKE AN EXAMPLE, THE CCNSO
OPERATING UNDER A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT REGIONAL STRUCTURE TO THE ICANN BOARD,
FOR EXAMPLE.

HOWEVER, MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT IF WE HAVE A REGIONAL
STRUCTURE, IT'S A REGIONAL STRUCTURE THAT EXISTS THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION.

I DON'T HAVE AN OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS TO -- AS TO WHAT'S MORE
EASILY WORKABLE.

I MEAN, THE RIRS, FOR EXAMPLE, OPERATE UNDER A DIFFERENT REGIONAL STRUCTURE.

SO IT MAY BE THAT -- OR DID, ANYWAY, OPERATE UNDER A DIFFERENT REGIONAL
STRUCTURE.

SO I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT, YES, I THINK THIS REVIEW IS A REVIEW OF
EVERYTHING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

AND I THINK EVERY COMMUNITY HAS AN INPUT IN RESPECT TO REGIONS.

WHAT I'M CONCERNED TO ENSURE IS THAT EVEN IF IT TAKES LONGER, I'D RATHER GET
A RESULT THAT IS BUILT FROM THE BOTTOM UP RATHER THAN SIMPLY LOOKING AT THE
EXISTING THING AND SAYING, WELL, IT'S OKAY, WE'LL LEAVE IT AS IT IS.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, CHRIS.

RAIMUNDO.

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: THANK YOU, VINT.

LET ME RECALL AT THIS REGARD THAT WHEN LACNIC WAS CREATED, LACNIC WAS SPLIT
FROM ARIN.

AND THEN AT THAT MOMENT, THERE WAS A STUDY OF THE CARIBBEAN ISLANDS OR THE
CARIBBEAN TERRITORIES, ISLAND BY ISLAND, SAYING WHICH ONE WILL REMAIN IN ARIN
AND WHICH ONE WILL BE IN THE LACNIC REGION.

AND THE SPLIT WAS MADE MAINLY FOR PRACTICAL REASONS.

SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THE -- WHILE THE -- ALL THE ENGLISH-SPEAKING CARIBBEAN
ISLANDS WERE LEFT IN ARIN, EVEN IF IN THE UNITED NATIONS THEY ARE IN THE
OTHER REGION.

AND IT WORKS LIKE THIS. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I IMAGINE THAT WHEN AFRINIC WAS
CREATED, SOMETHING OF THE SAME STYLE MAYBE HAPPENED.

BUT THIS IS MORE WHAT ROBERTO WAS SAYING, CHANGING THE BOARD OF THE REASONS
FOR THE PRACTICAL REASONS THAT I EXPLAINED.

>>VINT CERF: FIRST, WITH REGARD TO AFRINIC, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY MORE
GEOGRAPHIC THAN LANGUAGE-ORIENTED.

BUT, IN ANY CASE, WHILE STARTING FROM A CLEAN SHEET IS ONE WAY TO START, AND
MAY BE THE ONLY WAY TO START, I HAVE TO SAY THAT THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT
ELEMENTS OF THE ICANN STRUCTURE THAT HAVE REGIONAL BEARING THAT IF WE WERE TO
DO AS YOU SUGGEST -- AND THERE'S -- I'M NOT OBJECTING TO IT -- WE MAY END UP
WITH A VARIETY OF ALTERNATIVE CHOICES WHICH ARE IN FUNDAMENTAL CONFLICT WITH
EACH OTHER WITH REGARD TO THE DIFFERENT PURPOSES FOR WHICH REGIONS ARE USED,
IN WHICH CASE THE RESOLUTION EITHER MIGHT BE VERY, VERY LENGTHY, MIGHT NEVER
RESOLVE, OR WE MIGHT END UP DECIDING THAT, FOR DIFFERENT PURPOSES, WE WILL
END UP WITH DIFFERENT REGIONAL DEFINITIONS.

IT'S SIMPLY AN OPEN QUESTION.

BUT, IN ANY EVENT, WE SHOULDN'T FOOL OURSELVES, THAT THAT PARTICULAR ANALYSIS
WILL HAVE MANY FACETS TO IT WELL BEYOND THE CCNSO SCHEME.

>>CHRIS DISSPAIN: ABSOLUTELY, YEAH.
>>VINT CERF: BEFORE I CALL ON PAUL, I JUST WANTED ALSO TO RESPOND ON YOUR
POINT ABOUT PAYMENTS.

MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT THE PAYMENTS ARE MADE IN TYPE O BLOOD FROM THE
CCNSO COMMUNITY.

BUT OTHERS MIGHT PREFER A DIFFERENT MEDIUM.

PAUL.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANK YOU, VINT.

JUST ON THIS ISSUE OF REGIONS, I, EARLY IN MY EXPERIENCE IN THIS
ORGANIZATION, IN ITS FORMATION, WAS HEAVILY INVOLVED IN DISCUSSIONS AROUND
REGIONS.

AT THE VERY BEGINNING, IN '98, MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND REGIONS, WHICH,
TO BE TRUTHFUL, WAS ACTUALLY A FAIR AMOUNT OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL DISCUSSION,
TOOK PLACE ABOUT THE FIVE REGIONS.

AT THAT STAGE, SOME OF US MADE IT QUITE CLEAR WE THOUGHT THE ASIA-PACIFIC WAS
JUST TOO BROAD A DEFINITION TO BE USEFUL.

BUT THE DYNAMICS OF MEMBERSHIP FROM DIFFERENT REGIONS ON THE BOARD AND
CERTAIN DEMANDS OF OTHER REGIONS OF HOW MANY BOARD MEMBERS THEY GOT EMERGED
INTO THIS DISCUSSION PRETTY QUICKLY.

SO THAT'S A DYNAMIC THAT I EXPECT WOULD NOT GO AWAY.

AND SOME REGIONS DEFEND THEIR MEMBERSHIPS ON BOARDS IN RATIOS TO THE UNITED
STATES IN WAYS THAT ARE QUITE INTERESTING.

THE SECOND -- AND THAT WAS DONE AT A HIGH-LEVEL POLITICAL DISCUSSION, WHICH
WAS INTERESTING.

THE SECOND ONE IS, THEN, AS CHAIRING THE GAC, SEVERAL TIMES, TWO TIMES THAT I
CAN THINK OF, WE WERE ASKED TO ACTUALLY DEFINE THE REGIONS.

NO, I WOULD NOT LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE GAC NOW.

BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU THAT AT THE TIME, OUR GENERAL REACTION AT THE
TIME WAS, PLEASE DO NOT ASK THE GAC TO DEFINE REGIONS.

THAT'S -- I SEE VANDER NODDING.

WE'VE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE -- IT MAY APPEAR AS AN OBVIOUS THING, BUT I WOULD
SAY IT'S ALMOST IMMEDIATELY A POLITICAL TASK THAT GAC MEMBERS IN THE PAST, AT
LEAST, HAVE NOT APPRECIATED RECEIVING.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL DISMISS YOU TO GO TO YOUR OTHER
MEETING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHRIS.

I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR THE GNSO REPORT FROM BRUCE TONKIN.

>>BRUCE TONKIN: OKAY.

THANK YOU, VINT.

I GUESS IN COMMENCING MY REPORT, IT'S WORTH ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE GNSO HAS
RECEIVED A HUGE AMOUNT OF CORRESPONDENCE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS ON THE TOPIC
OF WHOIS, AND WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED SOME INPUT FROM INDIVIDUAL GOVERNMENTS,
SUCH AS THE UNITED STATES, AND WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED INPUT FROM VARIOUS
AGENCIES OF OTHER GOVERNMENTS.

THE GNSO OPERATES WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF ICANN'S MISSION, SO IT'S WORTH
JUST REITERATING WHAT THOSE CONSTRAINTS ARE.

ICANN'S MISSION IS TO COORDINATE THE ALLOCATION AND ASSIGNMENT OF THE THREE
SETS OF UNIQUE IDENTIFIERS FOR THE INTERNET, AND IT COORDINATES POLICY
DEVELOPMENT REASONABLY AND APPROPRIATELY RELATED TO THESE TECHNICAL
FUNCTIONS.

THE WHOIS PURPOSE THAT WAS AGREED BY THE GNSO COUNCIL IN APRIL IS TO PROVIDE
INFORMATION SUFFICIENT TO CONTACT A RESPONSIBLE PARTY FOR A PARTICULAR DOMAIN
NAME WHO CAN RESOLVE OR RELIABLY PASS ON DATA TO A PARTY WHO CAN RESOLVE
ISSUES RELATED TO THE CONFIGURATION OF THE RECORDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE DOMAIN
NAME WITHIN A DNS NAME SERVER.

THE AREA IN RED I'VE HIGHLIGHTED IS PROBABLY THE AREA THAT IS LEAST -- OR HAS
A RANGE OF DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS.

I THINK THOSE THAT DID VOTE FOR THIS PURPOSE ON THE GNSO HAD IN THEIR OWN
MIND A FAIRLY CLEAR UNDERSTANDING.

BUT THEN IF YOU COMPARE WHAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE THOUGHT, THEY HAVE SOME
DIFFERENT VIEWS.

AND THEN WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE GNSO THAT ARE LESS CLOSE TO
THE ISSUES, THE RANGE OF INTERPRETATIONS BECOMES BROADER.

BUT CERTAINLY IT'S -- A READING OF THE MISSION AND A READING OF THE WHOIS
PURPOSE, THEY DO -- THEY ARE CONSISTENT WITH EACH OTHER.

THE OTHER THING THAT I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT TO REITERATE HERE IS THAT DATA
IS COLLECTED FOR A RANGE OF REASONS, ONE OF WHICH IS WHOIS.

SO WHOIS ISN'T THE WHOLE REASON WHY WE COLLECT DATA.

AND SO THE GNSO COUNCIL NOTES THAT THE CURRENT DEFINITION IS RELATED TO THE
SERVICE THAT PROVIDES PUBLIC ACCESS TO SOME OR ALL OF THE DATA THAT'S
COLLECTED AND IS NOT A DEFINITION OF THE PURPOSE OF THE DATA ITSELF.

AND CURRENTLY, GENERALLY, THE DEFINITION OF PURPOSE IS WITHIN THE REGISTRAR
AGREEMENTS WITH THE -- THEIR CUSTOMERS.

AND DEPENDING ON DIFFERENT NATIONS, TYPICALLY, THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO BE
PUBLISHED IN A PRIVACY POLICY.

SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT I THINK WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THIS PURPOSE,
SOMETIMES THEY THINK THAT THAT'S DEFINING THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH WE COLLECT
DATA.

AND IT'S NOT.

IT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE SERVICE.

THE GNSO, HOWEVER, HAS RECOGNIZED THAT WE NEED TO RESPOND TO ALL THIS
COMMUNITY CONCERN.

AND WE HAD A RANGE OF DIFFERENT SUGGESTIONS FROM GNSO COUNCIL MEMBERS TODAY
ON HOW BEST TO RESPOND TO THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERN.

AND WE HAVE A SERIES OF DRAFT RESOLUTIONS.

THESE ARE RESOLUTIONS THAT I WROTE IN ABOUT FIVE MINUTES DURING THE MEETING.

SO THE COUNCIL WILL BE CONSIDERING THE WORDING AND COMING UP WITH A FINAL
RESOLUTION IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

BUT I DID TAKE A STRAW POLL OF THE COUNCIL, AND THESE RESOLUTIONS AS THEY'RE
CURRENTLY DRAFTED DO HAVE A STRONG DEGREE OF SUPPORT.

THE FIRST RESOLUTION TO HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AT LEAST WHY THOSE WHO VOTED
IN FAVOR OF THE PURPOSE, WHAT THEIR INTENT WAS, SO THIS RESOLUTION STATES
THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER THAT VOTED IN FAVOR OF THE DEFINITION WILL PROVIDE A
BRIEF EXPLANATION OF THE REASON FOR SUPPORTING THE RESOLUTION AND THEIR
UNDERSTANDING OF ITS MEANING.

AND THE REGISTRARS, FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A STATEMENT THIS WEEK
TO MAKE IT MUCH CLEARER WHAT THEIR POSITION IS.

AND IT'S THE REGISTRARS THAT HOLD THE BULK OF THE DATA.

AND I HOPE AT THE END OF MY PRESENTATION THAT VINT WILL ALLOW A COUPLE OF
MINUTES FOR THE CHAIR OF THE REGISTRAR CONSTITUENCY TO MAKE A BRIEF STATEMENT
THAT'S BEING DEVELOPED ON THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC.

THE SECOND DRAFT RESOLUTION IS A REQUEST TO THE ICANN POLICY STAFF TO PROVIDE
A SUMMARY OF THE VARIOUS INTERPRETATIONS OF THE DEFINITION THAT HAVE BEEN
EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY AND GOVERNMENTS.

THE THIRD RESOLUTION IS THAT THE COUNCIL WILL UNDERTAKE TO -- A DIALOGUE WITH
THE GAC AND ALSO THE SECURITY COMMITTEE ON DEVELOPING SOME BROADLY
UNDERSTANDABLE -- AND I'VE EMPHASIZED THAT IN RED, BECAUSE, CLEARLY,
DEFINITION ON WHOIS -- THE DEFINITION OF THE WHOIS SERVICE WAS NOT BROADLY
UNDERSTANDABLE, WE CERTAINLY SEEK HERE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A BIT OF DISCUSSION
ABOUT THE DATA ITSELF, BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, DATA THAT'S COLLECTED CAN BE
COLLECTED FOR A RANGE OF REASONS.

AND WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SOME OF THE PURPOSES FOR WHICH THAT DATA'S
COLLECTED, AS REQUIRED IN THE REGISTRAR ACCREDITATION AGREEMENT.

BUT IT MAY WELL BE THAT THOSE PURPOSES THAT ARE DISCUSSED AND IDENTIFIED MAY
WELL BE OUTSIDE THE SCOPE OF ICANN.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THOSE PURPOSES DON'T STILL EXIST AND IT'S NOT STILL
WHY REGISTRARS BOTH COLLECT THE INFORMATION AND PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO
LEGITIMATE USERS OF THAT INFORMATION.

RESOLUTION FOUR IS TO REITERATE THAT THE COUNCIL REQUESTS THAT THE WHOIS TASK
FORCE CONTINUE WITH THEIR WORK, AS SPECIFIED IN THE TERMS OF REFERENCE,
TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE INPUT THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED IN RECENT WEEKS AND ANY
FURTHER INPUT THEY RECEIVE FROM COUNCIL.

FINALLY, WHEN THE WHOIS TASK FORCE HAS COMPLETED ITS WORK AND THE OTHER
GROUPS HAVE COMPLETED THE WORK, WE'D CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO MAKING THE WHOIS
SERVICE DEFINITION MORE BROADLY UNDERSTANDABLE.

BUT JUST TO REITERATE THAT THAT'S NOT STOPPING THE WORK ON WHOIS AND IS NOT
INTENDED TO INHIBIT THE PROGRESS OF THE WHOIS TASK FORCE.

THE WHOIS TASK FORCE REPORTED AT THIS MEETING THAT ITS ONGOING TIMELINE IS TO
SEEK TO DEVELOP A REPORT INCLUDING ALL POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS IN OCTOBER.

THIS INCLUDES THE WORK ON WHAT DATA SHOULD CONTINUE TO BE MADE ACCESSIBLE FOR
THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND ANY DATA THAT'S REMOVED FROM GENERAL PUBLIC ACCESS, TO
IDENTIFY HOW THAT DATA COULD BE ACCESSED.

THE EXPECTATION IS THAT WE WILL HAVE A REPORT FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER IN
THE MEETING IN SAO PAOLO AND FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER THAT -- A DECISION ON
THAT TOPIC IN EARLY 2007.

AND JUST REITERATING OBJECTIVE HERE.

OUR OBJECTIVE IS TO IMPROVE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE WHOIS SERVICE WHILST
TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE NEEDS TO PROTECT THE PRIVACY OF PERSONAL DATA RELATED
TO NATURAL PERSONS.

ON ANOTHER TOPIC, WHICH IS NEW GTLDS, THIS WORK HAS PROGRESSED FAIRLY
SIGNIFICANTLY DURING THIS YEAR.

AN INITIAL REPORT WITH AN INITIAL SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS IS DUE TO BE
COMPLETED BY JULY.

THAT'S NEXT MONTH.

THAT WILL THEN OPEN FOR A MORE EXTENSIVE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

WE'RE EXPECTING WE'LL PROBABLY MEET FACE TO FACE PROBABLY IN SEPTEMBER TO
PRODUCE A FINAL REPORT IN OCTOBER FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, AND HOPEFULLY
HAVE A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER IN ITS MEETING IN SAO
PAOLO.

ON THE TOPIC OF CONTRACTS FOR EXISTING GTLDS, THIS WORK -- WE'RE EXPECTING
THAT WE'LL HAVE A PRELIMINARY TASK FORCE REPORT ON THAT TOPIC PROBABLY,
AGAIN, AVAILABLE IN OCTOBER OF 2006.

THAT GROUP IS SEEKING SOME EXPERT ADVICE FROM EXPERTS IN THE AREA OF
COMPETITION LAW, PRICE REGULATION, AND DEFINITIONS OF MARKET POWER AND
DOMINANCE.

IDNS, A DRAFT ISSUES REPORT IS AVAILABLE.

TINA REPORTED ON SOME OF THIS ALREADY.

THE GNSO FORMED A WORKING GROUP TO CONSIDER THIS REPORT, AND WE ARE LIAISING
WITH THE CCNSO AND ALSO THE GAC.

WE EXPECT THE ISSUES REPORT WILL BE FINALIZED IN JULY, AND PROBABLY LATE JULY
I EXPECT THE COUNCIL WOULD LOOK TO VOTE ON WHETHER TO COMMENCE A POLICY
DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITY AROUND IDN-BASED GTLDS.

THE WORKING GROUP SO FAR HAS RECOMMENDED THAT WE STUDY IDN GTLDS, USING THE
SAME POLICY FRAMEWORK AS WE'RE USING FOR NEW GTLDS.

AND, ESSENTIALLY, IDNS HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THE COMPLEXITIES AROUND INTRODUCING
NEW GTLDS.

SO THE NEXT STEPS FOR US IS TO UPDATE THE ISSUES REPORT.

WE'RE TRYING TO CLEARLY IDENTIFY THE SCOPE OF THE WORK THAT WILL BE DONE
WITHIN THE GNSO AND THEN IDENTIFY WHERE WORK WOULD BE DONE ELSEWHERE.

AND ONE OF THESE TOPICS COULD BE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CCTLDS WISH TO CREATE A
TABLE OF SOME FORM, THAT I GUESS EXPANDS ON THE CURRENT ISO3166 TABLE FOR
TLDS, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT WORK WOULD BE DONE ELSEWHERE.

HOWEVER, WE WOULD ALSO EXPECT THAT THAT WORK WOULD BE CONSTRAINED TO ONLY
RELATE TO IDN STRINGS THAT RELATE TO COUNTRY NAMES, AND THAT THAT WORK
WOULDN'T BE USED AS SOME SORT OF BACK DOOR TO INTRODUCE MORE GENERIC TLDS.

I JUST WANTED TO PICK UP ON A COMMENT THAT MARILYN CADE MADE EARLIER, AND
THAT IS THAT THE WORK ON NEW GTLDS HAS PROGRESSED EFFECTIVELY THROUGH
FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS, IN ADDITION TO THESE ICANN FACE-TO-FACE MEETINGS.

AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING NOW IS THAT WE'RE SPENDING MOST OF OUR TIME IN THE
ACTUAL ICANN MEETINGS, LIKE THIS MEETING IN MARRAKECH, REALLY SPENT LIAISING
WITH OTHER GROUPS.

WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY TIME TO DO POLICY DEVELOPMENT WORK.

WE SPEND MOST OF OUR TIME LIAISING WITH GROUPS LIKE THE GAC AND THE BOARD AND
THE CCNSO AND ALL THE VARIOUS WORKSHOPS THAT ARE CONDUCTED.

SO CERTAINLY I THINK WE'RE FINDING THE NEED TO TRY AND HAVE SOME SUBSTANTIAL
PERIODS OF TIME FACE TO FACE WHERE YOU GET SORT OF PEOPLE WORKING CLOSELY
TOGETHER FOR THREE DAYS AND YOU GET THE GROUP DYNAMIC SO THAT THEY'RE NOT ALL
OPPOSING EACH OTHER.

BUT AFTER THE END OF THREE DAYS, THEY'RE ACTUALLY WORKING TOGETHER, EVEN IF
THEY HAVE DIFFERENT VIEWS.

MY PAST EXPERIENCE IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE OPERATING PURELY VIA E-MAIL AND
SOMETIMES VIA PHONE CALLS BETWEEN MEETINGS, THAT KIND OF GROUP WORKING
DYNAMIC DOESN'T WORK AS EFFECTIVELY, AND IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SORT OF STAY ON
YOUR POSITION AND POSSIBLY PASS INSULTS AROUND THE GROUP.

I THINK THE COUNCIL, AS VINT AND OTHERS HAVE MENTIONED, WAS VERY SADDENED TO
HEAR THE NEWS REGARDING PETER DENGATE THRUSH'S FAMILY.

THE PRECURSOR TO THE GNSO, THE NAMES COUNCIL, DID INVOLVE THE CCTLDS, AND THE
COUNCIL HAS HAD MANY INTERACTIONS WITH PETER.

SO THE COUNCIL FORMALLY EXPRESSED ITS CONDOLENCES TODAY.

AND FINALLY I'D LIKE TO REPORT THAT THE GNSO COUNCIL HAS APPOINTED RITA RODIN
TO THE ICANN BOARD AT ITS MEETING TODAY.

THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT.

AND I'D ALSO JUST ASK IF VINT WOULD ALLOW IF THE REGISTRARS MAKE A BRIEF
STATEMENT WITH RESPECT TO THE WHOIS DATA.

>>VINT CERF: CERTAINLY.

ALTHOUGH, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE QUESTIONS FIRST?

>>BRUCE TONKIN: MIGHT BE BEST IF WE HAVE THAT STATEMENT AND THEN TAKE
QUESTIONS.
>>VINT CERF: OKAY.

LET'S ALLOW THE REGISTRARS TO MAKE THEIR STATEMENT.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>> JONOTHAN NEVETT: THANKS, VINT.

VERY CONSISTENT WITH THE PRESIDENT'S MESSAGE THAT I SAW THIS MORNING, THE
REGISTRARS GOT TOGETHER AND WISH TO ISSUE THIS FORMALLY STATEMENT, WE, THE
UNDERSIGNED REGISTRARS WISH TO CONFIRM THAT WE WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT THE
DATA COMMONLY CALLED WHOIS DATA, AS REQUIRED BY THE REGISTRAR ACCREDITATION
AGREEMENT, ALL OF WHICH IS CURRENTLY DISPLAYED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC, AND
WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO SUCH DATA TO LAW ENFORCEMENT, INTELLECTUAL
PROPERTY INTERESTS, ISPS, AND OTHERS, THROUGH APPROPRIATE PROCESSES.

REGISTRARS ARE OPEN TO APPROVE THOSE PROCESSES FOR MORE EFFICIENT ACCESS BY
LEGITIMATE USERS.

REGISTRARS STORE THIS INFORMATION FOR THE LIFETIME OF THEIR AGREEMENT WITH
ICANN, PLUS AN ADDITIONAL THREE YEARS.

REGISTRARS ALSO NOTE THAT OTHER USEFUL DATA, SUCH AS THE I.P. ADDRESS USED
BY A REGISTRANT WHEN REGISTERING A DOMAIN NAME, AND CREDIT CARD INFORMATION
ALSO IS STORED.

THIS INFORMATION ALSO IS AVAILABLE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCESS THROUGH
APPROPRIATE PROCESSES.

REGISTRARS CONTINUE TO SUPPORT PRIVACY PROTECTION FOR THE PERSONAL DATA OF
NATURAL PERSONS.

AND THIS IS SIGNED BY 30 OR SO VARIOUS REGISTRARS.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

I THINK THESE VARIOUS EXCHANGES WILL HELP PEOPLE APPRECIATE MORE FULLY WHAT
IT WAS THAT YOU INTENDED, LET ALONE WHAT WAS CONVEYED BUT PERHAPS
MISUNDERSTOOD IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS WRITTEN.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR BRUCE?

SUSAN.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: BRUCE, PEOPLE DON'T GET THANKED OFTEN ENOUGH IN THIS
PROCESS, AND IT'S BY VERY CLEAR TO ME HOW HARD YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE
POLICY PROCESSES, AND STAFF, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THESE GROUPS ARE REALLY
FORGING FORWARD.

AND THIS IS A KEY MOMENT FOR THE ICANN POLICY DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BOTH OF
THESE TASK FORCES, THE WHOIS AND THE NEW GTLDS.

AND WORLD WARS HAVE TAKEN LESS TIME THAN THE WHOIS TASK FORCE.

SO I WANT TO ENCOURAGE US TO KEEP MOVING.

AND I WAS VERY GLAD TO HEAR YOUR STATEMENT THAT THE DRAFT RESOLUTIONS UNDER
CONSIDERATION NOW BY THE GNSO COUNCIL ARE, INDEED, IN DRAFT, FOR ONE THING,
AND ALSO DON'T INTERRUPT THE WORK OF THE TASK FORCE.

SO THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR.

AND ON THE RESOLUTIONS, I WAS IN THE ROOM WHILE THOSE WERE UNDER
CONSIDERATION.

I HAVE TO SAY, I WAS SLIGHTLY CONFUSED BY WHAT WAS GOING ON.

SO I HOPE THERE WILL BE AMPLE TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO DISCUSS THOSE DRAFTS.

THANKS.

>>BRUCE TONKIN: I'LL JUST RESPOND BRIEFLY THAT AFTER I DRAFTED THOSE
RESOLUTIONS, THEY ALREADY HAD MANY INTERPRETATIONS.
>>VINT CERF: OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BRUCE?

ANNETTE, YOU'RE SITTING ON THE FLOOR.

NO, OKAY.

PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>>MILTON MUELLER: BRUCE, COULD YOU BRING UP THE THIRD POINT OF YOUR
RESOLUTION PROPOSED TODAY?

JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT AND A QUESTION ABOUT THAT?

>>BRUCE TONKIN: THIS ONE?
>>MILTON MUELLER: YES, FIRST SIMPLE QUESTION IS, I'M WONDERING WHY SSAC WAS
INCLUDED IN THIS DIALOGUE.

I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY HAD EXPRESSED ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF
PURPOSE.

THE MORE SUBSTANTIVE POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS ABOUT THE GAC.

NOW, THE PURPOSE OF THE GAC IS TO PROVIDE A CHANNEL FOR COMMUNICATION WITH
GOVERNMENTS ABOUT PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND VERY CLEARLY IN THIS CASE THAT GOVERNMENTS
DO NOT SPEAK WITH A UNIFIED VOICE ON PRIVACY ISSUES.

FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE UNITED STATES, JUST TO USE AN EXAMPLE THAT IS OUTSIDE OF
THE ICANN PURVIEW BUT WHICH IS FAIRLY WELL KNOWN, THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH OF
GOVERNMENT CURRENTLY BELIEVES THAT IT HAS A RIGHT TO LISTEN IN ON TELEPHONE
CONVERSATIONS CONDUCTED INTERNATIONALLY BY ANY PURPOSE FOR -- BY ANY PERSON
FOR ANY PURPOSE RELATED TO THE PURSUIT OF TERRORISM.

THE LEGISLATIVE BRANCH OF GOVERNMENT BELIEVES THAT THIS IS A DIRECT VIOLATION
OF THE LAW AND THERE'S EVEN SOME TALK OF IMPEACHING MEMBERS OF THE EXECUTIVE
BRANCH ON THOSE GROUNDS.

LIKEWISE, IN THE WHOIS DEBATE, WHAT WE FIND ARE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
ASSERTING THAT THEY WANT EASIER AND MORE EXPEDITIOUS ACCESS TO DATA.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE SEE DATA PROTECTION AUTHORITIES WITHIN THE SAME
GOVERNMENTS ASSERTING THAT UNDER THEIR NATIONAL LAW, THAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
AGENCIES AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD NOT HAVE THIS LEVEL OF ACCESS THAT THEY'RE
DEMANDING.

AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, THERE'S ALSO CONTRADICTIONS BETWEEN THE POSITIONS
ASSERTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES AND THE ACTUAL PRACTICES OF SOME OF THE
COUNTRY CODE TOP-LEVEL DOMAINS.

SO I WOULD ASK -- AND WE WILL SO MOVE WITHIN THE COUNCIL, THROUGH THE
NON-COMMERCIAL CONSTITUENCY, THAT YOU REPLACE GAC IN THIS RESOLUTION WITH
GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES, AND THAT THIS BE SPECIFIED TO INCLUDE LAW ENFORCEMENT,
DATA PROTECTION AUTHORITIES, WHERE RELEVANT, AND COMMUNICATION AND
INFORMATION MINISTRIES, SO THAT YOU'RE GETTING THE FULL RANGE OF GOVERNMENTAL
VIEWS AND NOT SIMPLY THE VIEW OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES, WHICH MAY OR
MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE ASSERTING A POSITION CONSISTENT WITH NATIONAL LAW.

>>BRUCE TONKIN: I THINK I'LL JUST TAKE THAT COMMENT ON BOARD.

YEAH.

>>BRUCE TONKIN: I THINK WE'LL JUST TAKE THAT COMMENT ON BOARD.
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MILTON AND BRUCE.

NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.

>>DIRK KRISCHENOWSKI: YEAH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS ON THE CURRENT PDP
PROCESS AND THE ROLE -- ESPECIALLY THE ROLE OF THE GAC, AND IT'S A PITY THAT
GAC ISN'T SO MUCH REPRESENTED HERE AT THE MOMENT.

I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT AMONG THE NEW TLD APPLICATIONS, TLDS FOR REGIONAL,
CULTURAL, LINGUISTICAL OR RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES WILL PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE.
AND FROM THE AROUND TEN POTENTIAL NEXT RFP APPLICANTS WHOSE IDEAS HAVE BECOME
PUBLIC ON THE WEB, MORE THAN HALF OF THEM DERIVE FROM THESE NETWORK
COMMUNITIES.

AND THEREFORE, WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE AN ADEQUATE MECHANISM TO PROTECT
THESE COMMUNITY STRINGS FROM MISUSE FROM UNAUTHORIZED PARTIES.

AND WE FULLY SUPPORT THE WORK OF THE GAC IN THIS CONTEXT, AND WE WELCOME THAT
THE GAC HAS IDENTIFIED THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE IN THE EVOLVING GAC PRINCIPLES
FOR NEW TLDS.

WE ALSO APPRECIATE THE GAC'S ATTENTION TO REGIONAL AND GEOPOLITICAL TLD
STRINGS. WE FULLY AGREE THAT TLDS RELATED TO SUCH STRINGS SHOULD BE GRANTED
ONLY IF THE APPLICANT IS AN APPROPRIATE REPRESENTATIVE ORGANIZATION OF THAT
COMMUNITY.

OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS OTHER CITY COMMUNITIES LIKE WE ARE TALKING TO SUCH,
LIKE HAMBURG OR NEW YORK OR LONDON WILL ALSO BE DELIGHTED TO SEE THAT THEIR
COMMUNITY STRINGS ARE PROTECTED AGAINST MISUSE BY THE NEW GAC PRINCIPLES.

THIS GIVES ESPECIALLY THE CITY COMMUNITIES THE CERTAINTY THAT THEY DON'T HAVE
TO DO ANYTHING VERY HASTILY. IT ENABLES THEM TO WORK ON THE FOUNDATIONS OF
THEIR ORGANIZATIONS AND THE CREATION OF ADEQUATE SPONSORING ORGANIZATION.

IN OUR CASE, DOT BERLIN, THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN OUR PRINCIPAL TASK, AND WE ARE
PLEASED WITH THE PROGRESS WE HAVE MADE, ABLE TO MAKE FOR BERLIN IN THIS
RESPECT.

WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO SHARING THIS WITH ALL THE PARTIES INTERESTED IN THE
DEVELOPMENT OF CRITERIA FOR TLDS REFLECTING THE SKILL, POLITICAL, AND
GEOGRAPHICAL STRINGS.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BRUCE, DID YOU WANT TO RESPOND?
>>BRUCE TONKIN: VERY BRIEFLY ON THAT, AND THAT IS THAT THE COUNCIL HAS, IN
ITS MEETING WITH THE GAC ON SUNDAY, ASKED THE GAC TO PROVIDE ANY ADVICE WITH
RESPECT TO CHOICE OF STRINGS.

AND IN TERMS OF PRINCIPLES, THE GAC HAS INFORMED US, I BELIEVE, THAT THEY ARE
AIMING TO HAVE A SET OF PRINCIPLES, I THINK, ON THE TOPIC OF BOTH WHOIS AND
NEW GTLDS BY THE END OF THE YEAR.

>>VINT CERF: MICHAEL.
>>MICHAEL PALAGE: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. BRUCE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS
QUESTION IS BETTER DIRECTED TO YOU OR ICANN STAFF.

THE QUESTION IS WITH REGARD TO THE LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS AND THEIR
REVIEW OF THE GNSO.

THIS WAS THE -- THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THIS IN FEBRUARY. THE LONDON SCHOOL OF
ECONOMICS BEGAN TO CONDUCT THEIR OUTREACH IN WELLINGTON.

I WAS WONDERING WHEN WE MIGHT HAVE AN IDEA OF WHEN THIS WAS -- IS DUE IN. IT
WAS MY IMPRESSION BASED ON THE CONSULTATIONS IN WELLINGTON THAT IT WOULD HAVE
BEEN BEFORE THIS MEETING.

SO IF ANYONE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT, I'D -- WITH NEW --

>>VINT CERF: THE RESPONDENT IS COMING FORTHWITH. THE ANSWER IS IT'S STILL IN
PROGRESS BUT WE WILL GET A BETTER SENSE OF HOW FAR ALONG IT IS.
>>DENISE MICHEL: YES, THE LONDON SCHOOL'S WORK IS STILL ONGOING, AND THEY
HAVE JUST THIS WEEK SENT ANOTHER REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL DATA AND INFORMATION
TO THE GNSO CONSTITUENCIES.

AND WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WITHIN A MONTH THEY'LL HAVE A DRAFT THAT CAN BE
DISCUSSED WITH THE BOARD AND THE GNSO.

>>MICHAEL PALAGE: THANK YOU.
>>VINT CERF: NEXT QUESTION, PLEASE.
>>KATHERINE KLEIMAN: KATHY KLEIMAN WITH THE NONCOMMERCIAL CONSTITUENCY AND
ALSO FOUR YEARS ON THE WHOIS TASK FORCE. IT'S A LONG TIME.

THIS IS ACTUALLY ADDRESSED TO THE BOARD AND THEN A QUESTION FOR BRUCE.

I KNOW YOU ARE GETTING A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE, AND IT LOOKS VERY CONFUSING.
THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWS COMING IN, AND I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU
I THINK THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD NEWS. FOR A LONG TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE A
REAL DIALOGUE AND DEBATE ON ISSUES THAT ARE IMPORTANT NOT JUST TO THE ICANN
COMMUNITY BUT TO THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. TO THE INTERNET COMMUNITY AS A
WHOLE. AND NOW YOU ARE BEGINNING TO HEAR.

IN FACT, IN VANCOUVER, WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS WONDERFUL DIALOGUE AT A PRIVACY
CONFERENCE OF CCTLDS TELLING US ABOUT THEIR PRIVACY POLICIES.

WE HAD TELUS THE NUMBER TWO ISP TELCO IN CANADA TELLING US ABOUT THEIR
PRIVACY POLICY, JUST AS AN ISP AND HOW THEY ARE -- HOW THEY DISCLOSE E-MAIL
AND CHAT ROOM IDENTITIES AND WHAT PROCEDURES THEY USE IN WORKING WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT.

THIS IS A BREAKTHROUGH IN GETTING COMMUNICATION INTO THE GNSO.

HERE, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD A GAC/GNSO MEETING AND WHILE I WAS PERSONALLY VERY
DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WAS NO DATA PROTECTION COMMISSIONER, NONE HAD BEEN
INVITED THAT I KNOW OF, AND IT WAS ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT, THERE WAS A DIALOGUE.
THERE WAS TIME FOR QUESTIONS, AND I REALLY APPRECIATED THAT.

SO I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO YOU, THE BOARD, FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF
THE GNSO PROCESS. AND TO BRUCE AND THE COUNCIL FOR THE SUPPORT WHOIS TASK
FORCE, AND TO TELL YOU I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE IN THE END, AND
THANKS FOR LETTING THE PROCESS WORK.

AND I HAD A COMMENT FOR BRUCE. I THINK THERE IS MORE CORRESPONDENCE AHEAD.
SHOULD IT BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD, TO THE TASK FORCE, OR TO THE COUNCIL.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU FOR THAT HEAD'S UP. WE WILL OF COURSE TAKE ANY
CORRESPONDENCE COMING TO THE BOARD AND POST IT ON THE ICANN WEB SITE. NEXT
QUESTION, PLEASE.
>>STEVE DELBIANCO: STEVE DELBIANCO WITH THE NET CHOICE COALITION. IT'S
E-COMMERCE COMPANIES, INCLUDING E-BAY, AOL, VERISIGN, YAHOO!, AND ABOUT
18,000 SMALL E-COMMERCE BUSINESSES THAT USE THE WEB.

WITH RESPECT TO BRUCE'S DRAFT NUMBER 3 RESOLUTION, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT
UP, BRUCE. IT'S A QUESTION AND A SUGGESTION.

I ATTENDED THE COUNCIL MEETING THIS MORNING, AND DESPITE THE DIFFERENCES
ABOUT PURPOSES OF WHOIS AND THE NOTION OF IP PROTECTION, AND MY OWN MEMBERS
ARE SOMEWHAT SPLIT ON IT, ALTHOUGH I WOULD PREFER THE STATUS QUO OVER ANY
CHANGE, I WOULD STATE THIS. MARILYN CADE MADE AN OBSERVATION AT THIS
MORNING'S COUNCIL MEETING THAT I THINK WAS OUTSTANDING. I THINK IT'S THE
CORE BEHIND THIS RESOLUTION, BUT I WANTED TO SEE WHETHER WE CAN STRENGTHEN
IT. MARILYN NOTED CORRECTLY THAT DESPITE OUR DIFFERENCES ON WHOIS, I THINK
WE ARE ALL UNITED AT TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WORLD GOVERNANCE AND THE IGF IN
PARTICULAR DON'T TAKE THIS AS AN EXCUSE TO TAKE A MORE ACTIVE POSTURE TO TAKE
AWAY THE INDEPENDENCE THAT ICANN IS WORKING TOWARDS. AND I BELIEVE THE
OPPORTUNITY IS GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO THEM IF WHAT WE DO IN THIS CASE IS DO
ANYTHING SHORT OF FULL ACKNOWLEDGEMENT AND INVOLVEMENT OF GOVERNMENTS IN
HELPING TO DEFINE THE WHOIS.

SO IT'S A PROCESS SUGGESTION.

I THINK TO USE A WORLD CUP ANALOGY, A MOST EFFECTIVE DEFENSE MIGHT BE THAT WE
KEEP THE BALL ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PITCH. AND I HAVE TWO STRATEGIES OR
SUGGESTIONS FOR THIS DRAFT.

THE FIRST MIGHT BE TO ACTIVELY AND EXPLICITLY SOLICIT THE VIEWS OF
GOVERNMENTS. AND I AGREE WITH THE EARLIER SPEAKER, I BELIEVE IT WAS MILTON
MUELLER WHO SAID NOT THE GAC BUT OTHER GOVERNMENTS. ALTHOUGH YOU DON'T WANT
TO DO ANYTHING TO CUT THE GAC OUT OF THIS, THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO ALLOW
THEM BECOME THE CONDUIT FOR THE OPINIONS OF OTHER GOVERNMENTS, I SHOULD HOPE.

BUT KEEP THE BALL ON THAT SIDE OF THE FIELD, BY THE BOARD, NOT JUST THE
COUNCIL, BUT THE BOARD EXPLICITLY ASKING THE GOVERNMENTS TO PROVIDE INPUT AND
TO CHANNEL IT PERHAPS THROUGH THE GAC.

THE SECOND IS TO MAKE SURE WE ARE PLAYING BY THE SAME RULES IN THIS GAME, I
WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TWO THINGS. THE DISTINCTION THAT BRUCE MADE THIS
MORNING, THE DISTINCTION WAS BETWEEN SERVICES AND DATA. AND IT'S A
FUNDAMENTAL DISTINCTION.

IT'S INHERENT IN THE FIRST COUPLE PARTS OF THIS DRAFT RESOLUTION THAT PART OF
THAT DISTINCTION SHOULD BE CONVEYED TO THESE GOVERNMENTS WHEN WE ARE ASKING
THEM FOR THEIR OPINIONS SO THEY CAN PROVIDE OPINIONS THAT ARE POINTED TOWARDS
THE DATA OR OPINIONS THAT ARE POINTED TO THE SERVICES. WHOIS IS A SERVICE
THAT ONE DOES TO ACCESS DATA.

AND FINALLY, I'D SUGGEST THAT WE TRY TO BE MORE FACT BASED IN THIS.

SO, FOR INSTANCE, WITH THE LONDON SCHOOL OF ECONOMICS, THAT STUDY WAS
COMMISSIONED, I BELIEVE, BY THE BOARD. AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS ANOTHER
STUDY, A QUICK, FACT-BASED ANALYSIS BY AN INDEPENDENT GROUP WHO CAN
OBJECTIVELY ASSESS WHAT IS WHOIS BEING USED FOR TODAY.

AND PERHAPS EVEN THEY WILL INVESTIGATE AND SEE WHETHER THERE HAVE BEEN ABUSES
OF WHOIS DATA.

SUCH A FACT-BASED STUDY WOULD PROVIDE EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO TRY TO CALM
DOWN THE RHETORIC A LITTLE BIT AND ASK GOVERNMENTS TO RESPOND IN A POINTED
WAY.

I REALIZE CHARTERING A STUDY COULD DELAY A LITTLE BIT THE TIME LINE BRUCE
LAID OUT HERE, BUT I BELIEVE IT'S WORTH IT TO GET CLARITY, CLARITY ABOUT WHAT
WHOIS IS AND CLARITY ABOUT HOW IT'S BEING USED. AND IF IT DOES DELAY THINGS
A BIT, I GUESS WE COULD THINK OF THAT AS STOPPAGE TIME ON AN OTHERWISE LONG
GAME.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MAKING ACTIONABLE SUGGESTIONS. THOSE
ARE ALL HELPFUL.
>>BRUCE TONKIN: VERY JUST A QUICK RESPONSE ON ASKING GOVERNMENTS. I JUST
WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THE WHOIS TASK FORCE HAS CONSISTENTLY ASKED GOVERNMENTS
FOR INPUT OVER SEVERAL YEARS. SO WE ARE PLEASED TO BE RECEIVING IT. BUT
IT'S NOT AS THOUGH WE HAVEN'T ASKED FOR IT.
>>VINT CERF: IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION. PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>>WENDY SELTZER: SURE, WENDY SELTZER, MEMBER OF THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE AND LIAISON ON THE WHOIS TASK FORCE.

WHERE I WANT TO, FIRST OFF, STRONGLY SUPPORT, I THINK IT WAS THE FIFTH OF THE
RESOLUTIONS WHERE YOU SAID, ALONG WITH ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS, TO
ENCOURAGE THE WHOIS TASK FORCE TO CONTINUE ITS WORK AND TO REACH A
CONCLUSION. YES. FOURTH, I'M SORRY. TO PUSH FORWARD WITH THAT WORK BECAUSE
ALTHOUGH WE'RE BRINGING TOGETHER MANY DIFFERENT CONSTITUENCIES AND MANY
DIFFERENT INTERESTS IN THAT TASK FORCE, WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS AT GETTING TO
THE CORE OF WHAT WHOIS IS NEEDED FOR.

AND SO TO BRING A BIT OF DIFFERENCE WITH THE LAST SPEAKER, I DON'T THINK THAT
WE NEED TO STUDY WHAT WHOIS IS BEING USED FOR RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE NOT ALL OF
THE THINGS THAT WHOIS HAPPENS TO BE CONVENIENT FOR ARE THINGS THAT WHOIS IS
NECESSARY FOR IN TERMS OF RELATING TO ICANN'S MISSION OF PRESERVING THE
SECURITY AND STABILITY AND FUNCTION OF THE INTERNET. SO THE FACT THAT MANY
PEOPLE FIND IT CONVENIENT TO HAVE A DIRECTORY OF NAMES AND ADDRESSES AND
TELEPHONE NUMBERS AND E-MAIL ADDRESSES CORRELATED TO DOMAIN NAMES DOESN'T
MEAN THAT IT'S ICANN'S ROLE TO MAINTAIN THAT DIRECTORY. AND IN FACT, IN
KEEPING WITH ICANN'S MISSION OF PROMOTING COMPETITION, IT MIGHT BE A PERFECT
PLACE TO ENCOURAGE COMPETITORS -- COMPETITIVE MARKET ENTRANTS TO PROVIDE
DIRECTORIES RELATING TO INFORMATION AND ONLINE SERVICES.

THE BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU ONLINE AND TRUSTEE AND EVEN VERISIGN PROVIDE
VARIOUS SEAL MECHANISMS TO HELP PEOPLE GAUGE THE CREDIBILITY AND
TRUSTWORTHINESS OF SITES WITH WHICH THEY ARE DOING BUSINESS. THERE'S NO
REASON THAT ICANN NEEDS TO BE ENFORCING PUBLICATION OF ADDRESS INFORMATION IN
COMPETITION WITH THESE KINDS OF SERVICES.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, WENDY. BRUCE, WE'RE SEEING IN THIS DISCUSSION NOT A
REPLAY, EXACTLY, BY EXAMPLES OF THE TENSIONS THAT HAVE DOGGED THE WHOIS
DEBATE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

I HOPE THAT WE'LL GET SOME CLARITY, ESPECIALLY AS WE CONSIDER THE POSSIBILITY
THAT NOT EVERYTHING IN THE WHOIS COLLECTED DATA IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC.
IF WE HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY, SOME OF THE CONCERNS MIGHT BE AMELIORATED. SO
THANK YOU, WENDY.

I WAS WRONG. THAT WASN'T THE LAST COMMENT. PLEASE GO AHEAD.

>>ERICK IRIARTE: THANKS.

I WILL TO GIVE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT SOME ESPECIALLY THAT I THINK NEED TO BE
TAKE CARE ABOUT THAT. IN THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT OF CHILE WITH U.S.A. SAID
CCTLD PROVIDES (INAUDIBLE) PUBLIC ACCESS TO (INAUDIBLE) OF CONTACT
INFORMATION FOR DOMAIN NAMES (INAUDIBLE).

IN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT OF U.S.A. WITH ALL CENTRAL AMERICA SAID EXACTLY THE
SAME.

AND THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT WITH PERU SAY THE SAME.

AND THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT U.S.A./PANAMA SAY THE SAME.

AND THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT BETWEEN U.S.A. AND SINGAPORE BE MORE SPECIFIC
AND SAID EACH PARTY SHALL ENSURE THE (INAUDIBLE) CCTLDS PROVIDE PUBLIC ACCESS
TO (INAUDIBLE) REALITY AND ADDRESS WHOIS DATABASE.

WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE SOME COUNTRIES, AND SPECIFICALLY U.S.A. IN THE
FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS, MAKE THE WHOIS ISSUE LIKE A VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE
INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY ORGANIZATIONS. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AGREE WITH THE
DATA PROTECTION INFORMATION FROM EACH COUNTRY.

SECOND, IN ESPECIALLY LATIN AMERICA WE ARE NOW VERY LACK OF REGULATION ON
PRIVACY AND DATA PROTECTION. AND ECLAC PROCESS, ECONOMIC COMMISSION FOR
LATIN AMERICA FOR UNITED NATION, IS SUPPORTING THAT CREATION OF INFORMATION
SOCIETY (INAUDIBLE). AND ONE OF THE PRINCIPLE ISSUES WILL BE PRIVACY.

SO AT THIS MOMENT, WE ARE FAR AWAY FROM ONLY BEING A TECHNICAL PROCESS. IT'S
MORE POLITICAL. AND WE NEED TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THAT NOT ALL THE COUNTRIES
HAVE SOME KIND OF REGULATION ON PRIVACY. AND THIS NOT BE POSSIBLE THAT
COUNTRY THAT HAVE MORE REGULATION ON PRIVACY ISSUE, LIKE EUROPEAN UNION OR
U.S.A., PUT THEIR OPINIONS OR PUT THEIR REGULATION BEFORE THE OTHER COUNTRIES
THAT JUST DEVELOPING THEIR POSITIONS. THANKS.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH VERY MUCH, ERICK I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU --
YES, JUST ONE SECOND.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU IF YOU WOULD PROVIDE TO US IN AN E-MAIL SPECIFIC
REFERENCES TO THE AGREEMENTS. THAT DOCUMENTATION WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE.

>>ERICK IRIARTE: YES, I HAVE THAT. I MAKE THE REPORT FOR CCTLD IN LATIN
AMERICA.
>>VINT CERF: SUSAN.
>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: ERICK, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND STAYING AT THE MIKE, I WANT TO
MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE FIRST PORTION OF YOUR REMARKS. SO ALTHOUGH
SEVERAL LARGE TLDS, LIKE DOT DE, AND DOT UK, CANADA, AUSTRALIA, JAPAN,
OTHERS, SHIELD PERSONAL INFORMATION FROM PUBLIC VIEW FOR THEIR COUNTRY CODES,
THE UNITED STATES AS A CONDITION OF ENTERING INTO BILATERAL TRADE AGREEMENTS
WITH INDIVIDUAL COUNTRIES HAS REQUIRED THAT THOSE PARTICULAR COUNTRIES KEEP
THEIR WHOIS DATA PUBLIC. IS THAT THE CASE?
>>ERICK IRIARTE: YES, IS THAT THE CASE BUT IT IS NOT ONLY FOR CCTLDS. IN
SOME CASE, IN ESPECIAL FOR THE CENTRAL AMERICA CASE, THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT
IS OPEN AND (INAUDIBLE) ONLY DOMAIN NAMES, AND PUT THE WORLD CCTLD. SO IS
ALL DOMAIN NAMES POSSIBLE.
>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: ALL DOMAIN NAMES POSSIBLE.
>>ERICK IRIARTE: YES, BECAUSE DON'T PUT THE WORLD CCTLDS. IN THE CASE OF
SINGAPORE, IN THE CASE OF CHILE, IN THE CASE OF PERU, JUST THEY PUT. I DON'T
REMEMBER IF IN THE CASE OF THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT WITH MOROCCO, IF I
REMEMBER, IS (INAUDIBLE) IS PUT TO THE -- IT'S NOT INFORMATION AVAILABLE?
>> (INAUDIBLE).
>>ERICK IRIARTE: HOW ABOUT THE FREE TRADE AGREEMENT WITH --
>> (INAUDIBLE).
>>ERICK IRIARTE: YOU HAVE MORE INFORMATION THAN ME FOR THIS SPECIFIC CASE.
>>VINT CERF: WE'LL TAKE THIS ONE OFF-LINE, BUT I STILL WANT THE REFERENCES.
>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>VINT CERF: OKAY. THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, BRUCE. SO WE'LL FINISH UP ON THAT.

WE HAVE SOME TIME FOR OPEN MICROPHONE, BUT BEFORE YOU RUSH TO THE MICROPHONE,
LET ME JUST TELL YOU WHAT'S HAPPENING TO THE AGENDA.

OUR FRIENDS FROM BRAZIL WHO WANT TO PRESENT SOME ENTICING GLIMPSES OF NIGHT
LIFE AND OTHER ACTIVITIES IN SAO PAULO ASKED IF WE COULD MOVE THAT TO
TOMORROW BECAUSE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE MAY BE PREOCCUPIED RIGHT NOW WITH OTHER
MEETINGS.

SO WE'LL DO THAT JUST BEFORE THE BREAK TOMORROW.

ALSO, TOMORROW WE'LL HAVE THE AT-LARGE ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPORT, WHICH HAD
BEEN SCHEDULED FOR TODAY.

SO WE'VE COMPLETED ALL THE SCHEDULED REPORTS FOR TODAY AS OF THIS MOMENT.

I'LL ENTERTAIN OPEN MICROPHONE TIME UNTIL AS LATE AS 6:00 P.M. TONIGHT. IF
WE RUN OUT OF OPEN MICROPHONE QUESTIONS, WE'LL STOP SOONER, BUT WE WILL NOT
STOP ANY LATER THAN 6:00.

SO IF YOU ARE QUEUED UP AND 6:00 COMES ALONG, I WILL ASK YOU TO DELAY YOUR
OPEN MICROPHONE QUESTIONS UNTIL THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY TOMORROW, EVEN IF THERE
ARE STILL PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE, BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER MEETINGS THAT HAVE TO
BE ATTENDED TO.

SO THE MICROPHONE IS NOW OPEN FOR QUESTIONS OR ISSUES THAT PARTICIPANTS WANT
TO RAISE.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: VINT?
>>VINT CERF: YES, PAUL.
>>PAUL TWOMEY: I WONDER IF YOU MAY BEG MY INDULGENCE BEFORE THE OPEN
MICROPHONE.
>>VINT CERF: I FORGOT TO REMEMBER, FRANKLY, THAT YOU HAD TWO OTHER ITEMS THAT
HE DIDN'T -- YOU DIDN'T PUT INTO YOUR PRESIDENT'S REPORT.

SO PLEASE GO AHEAD, AND THEN WE WILL PICK UP BRUCE.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANK YOU FOR THAT.

MY APOLOGIES THAT I DIDN'T INCLUDE THESE BEFORE IN MY REPORT.

PERHAPS I AM JUST PROVING THE CONCERN YOU EXPRESSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS
MEETING OF MY LACK OF MENTAL CAPACITY.

TWO THINGS I WOULD CONTRIBUTE TO MY REPORT, AND THEY ARE TIMELY AFTER THE
REPORT FROM THE GNSO COUNCIL CHAIR.

FIRST OF ALL, AN ITEM CONCERNING DOT BIZ, DOT INFO, AND DOT ORG.

FOLLOWING THE RECEIPT OF LETTERS FROM AFILIAS, NEUSTAR AND PIR, ICANN
CHAIRMAN VINT CERF HAS REQUESTED THE POSTING OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENTS FOR
PUBLIC INFORMATION. HE HAS DONE THAT BECAUSE THE ICANN BOARD HAS NOT YET
REVIEWED THESE PROPOSED AGREEMENTS. AFTER THE BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO
REVIEW THE AGREEMENTS, A PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD OF NO LESS THAN 21 DAYS WILL
BE CONSIDERED AT AN UPCOMING BOARD MEETING. SO THESE AGREEMENTS ARE NOT YET
AT THE STAGE OF CONSIDERATION BY THE BOARD BUT THE CHAIRMAN HAS ASKED FOR
THEM TO BE POSTED FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION IN RESPONSE TO THE LETTERS RECEIVED
BY THE THREE REGISTRIES.

THIS PROCESS ACTUALLY PROVIDES MORE TIME FOR SCRUTINY BY THE COMMUNITY. THE
POSTING INFORMATION WILL BE IN ADDITION TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

THE SECOND POINT, AROUND COMMUNICATIONS. AS MANY OF YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE
APPOINTED A NEW EXECUTIVE OFFICER AND VICE PRESIDENT OF CORPORATE AFFAIRS,
MR. PAUL LEVINS.

I THINK MANY OF YOU MET HIM AT HIS FIRST CONFERENCE AT VARIOUS MEETINGS. HE
HAS BEEN LISTENING TO THE VIEWS OF THE COMMUNITY OVER THESE PAST DAYS. HE
HAS BEEN MAKING HIS OWN OBSERVATIONS. HE IS ALSO WELL AWARE OF THE COMMENTS
YOU HAVE MADE TO ME AND THE BOARD AT RECENT TIMES FOR NEED OF GREATER
ACCESSIBILITY AND BETTER MESSAGING OF WHAT WE DO AND WHY WE DO IT.

AS A CONSEQUENCE, HE WILL BE INITIATING A PLAN TO IMPROVE THE QUALITY AND
APPEARANCE OF OUR PUBLICITY MATERIALS ON OUR WEB SITE. HE ALSO WANTS TO
REDOUBLE OUR EFFORTS TO HAVE A REAL DIALOGUE WITH THE COMMUNITY. THIS WILL
INCLUDE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A BLOG WITH REAL-TIME RESPONSES.

THERE ARE A RANGE OF OTHER TOOLS FOR COMMUNICATING AND MAKING WHAT WE DO MORE
ACCESSIBLE, AND I ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO PAUL EITHER HERE OR VIA E-MAIL.
HE IS IN VERY ACTIVE LISTENING MODE BUT HE IS ALSO A VERY ACTIVE INDIVIDUAL
AND WE EXPECT TO SEE ACTION ON THIS VERY SHORTLY.

THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PAUL.

BRUCE, YOU ARE BACK ON.

>>BRUCE TONKIN: THANK YOU, VINT.

MY NAME IS BRUCE TONKIN FROM MELBOURNE I.T.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A SUGGESTION, I GUESS, AND THAT IS THAT THE BOARD
SERIOUSLY CONSIDER RESTRUCTURING THE WAY THESE ICANN MEETINGS ARE CONDUCTED.

I THINK SOME OF THE DIFFICULTIES WE'VE HAD WITH THE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS
ON THE PARTICULAR PURPOSE OF WHOIS IS THAT THOSE THAT ARE MOST EFFECTED OR
WOULD BE MOST INTERESTED TYPICALLY ARE NOT ATTENDING THE MEETINGS, WHERE THE
PURPOSE IS DISCUSSED IN MORE DETAIL.

IN THE WELLINGTON MEETING, IN THE GNSO COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WAS AN
EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION AROUND THE TOPIC OF PURPOSE, INCLUDING GOING THROUGH
WHAT THOSE DEFINITIONS MEANT.

NOW, I ACCEPT THAT WE PERHAPS WEREN'T AS EFFECTIVE IN COMMUNICATING THAT
PURPOSE TO THE OUTSIDE COMMUNITY, BUT I WOULD POINT OUT THAT THAT PURPOSE WAS
PURELY A DECISION TO GIVE BACK TO THE WHOIS TASK FORCE TO CONTINUE THEIR
WORK. SO IT WAS A WORK IN PROGRESS, NOT SOME FINAL OUTCOME THAT WE WERE
TRYING TO COMMUNICATE TO THE WORLD GOVERNMENTS.

NOW, IN THE GNSO PUBLIC FORUM WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT WHOIS AND VARIOUS OTHER
TOPICS YESTERDAY, THERE WAS HARDLY ANYONE HERE. AND THAT WAS BECAUSE THE
BOARD WERE AT OTHER MEETINGS, THE GAC WERE AT OTHER MEETINGS. SO ALL THESE
PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE AND SENT LETTERS OR COMPLAINED OR HAD SESSIONS, NONE OF
THEM, OR VERY FEW OF THEM, WERE IN ATTENDANCE WHEN WE ACTUALLY DISCUSSED
THEIR CONCERNS, AND THEY COULD HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES.

SO I THINK THESE SORT OF MEETINGS HERE ARE VERY GOOD. BUT STILL, WE DON'T
HAVE THE GAC HERE IN THIS ROOM TODAY BECAUSE THEY ARE MEETING IN PARALLEL.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE WAS SOME VERY GOOD POINTS RAISED BY MEMBERS OF
THE AUDIENCE HERE.

SO I JUST THINK INSTEAD OF HAVING LOTS OF MEETINGS, IF THE GAC IS GOING TO
HAVE A CLOSED MEETING, WHY BOTHER HAVING IT HERE? THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE IT
SOMEWHERE ELSE CLOSED AWAY.

I'D RATHER, WHEN THE GAC CAME HERE, THEY WERE HERE TO LISTEN. AND WE, IN
TURN, WERE HERE TO LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAD TO SAY. AND THAT'S PROBABLY BEST
IF WE ARE ALL IN ONE PLACE AND WE CAN ALL HEAR EACH OTHER'S VIEWS

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: I'M SURE THAT THE MEETINGS COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN WILL GET A NUMBER
OF PROPOSALS FOR RESTRUCTURING OF MEETINGS.

WE'RE ALL INTERESTED IN MAKING THIS MORE EFFICIENT, PERHAPS EVEN MAKING
SOMETHING THAT TAKES LESS TIME.

LET ME HAVE SUSAN AND THEN THE NEXT PERSON FROM THE FLOOR.

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: JUST VERY BRIEFLY, I AM OPTIMISTIC.

THAT LAST TWO SUBJECTS REALLY TIE TOGETHER, THAT PAUL LEVIN'S ARRIVAL AND HIS
FOCUS ON COMMUNICATION MEANS WE WON'T JUST BE WORKING ON THE QUALITY AND
APPEARANCE OF OUR WEB SITE, BUT THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY BE HAVING REMOTE
PARTICIPATION THAT MAKES SENSE, ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO THINGS ONLINE AS WELL
AS IN PERSON, FIND A WAY OF HAVING MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE THAT ISN'T CUT OFF
BETWEEN MEETINGS, THAT KEEPS GOING INTERSESSIONALLY.

SO I HAVE HIGH HOPES FOR PAUL L., AND I LOOK FOR ALL OF US TO SUPPORT HIS
WORK, PARTICULARLY AS HE'S DIRECTING THE MANAGER OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION,
WHICH I VIEW AS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ROLES IN THIS ORGANIZATION.

SO I'M ALSO ON THE MEETINGS COMMITTEE, SO I'M ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT ALL THESE
DEVELOPMENTS.

THANKS.

>>KEITH DRAZEK: THANK YOU.

HELLO, MY NAME IS KEITH DRAZEK, I'M WITH NEULEVEL, THE DOT BIZ REGISTRY.

JUST WANTED TO MAKE A BRIEF COMMENT AND THEN A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION REGARDING
THE POSTING OF THE BIZ AGREEMENT AS I UNDERSTAND, YOU HAVEN'T ALL HAD A
CHANCE TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENTS IN ANY DETAIL.

FIRST, I WANT TO THANK JOHN JEFFREY AND KURT PRITZ FOR THAT'S FOCUS AND
ATTENTION AND ASSISTANCE IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS TO REALLY PUSH THIS TO WHERE
WE ARE TODAY.

NEULEVEL HAS BEEN WORKING WITH ICANN FOR MORE THAN A YEAR TO RENEGOTIATE THE
DOT BIZ AGREEMENT, THE EXISTING DOT BIZ AGREEMENT.

LAST WEEK, WE REACHED FINAL AGREEMENT ON ALL POINTS.

AND WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT THE POSTED AGREEMENT IS A POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT FOR
BOTH PARTIES, FOR THE ICANN COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, FOR
THE STABILITY AND SECURITY OF THE DNS.

WE HAD HOPED THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE POSTED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE THE
START OF THE ICANN MEETING THIS WEEK IN MARRAKECH.

BUT WE RESPECT THE BOARD'S DESIRE TO CAREFULLY REVIEW THESE AGREEMENTS BEFORE
THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD BEGINS.

WE ARE AVAILABLE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT ARISE DURING YOUR
REVIEW.

WE BELIEVE OUR NEGOTIATIONS WITH ICANN STAFF HAVE PRODUCED AN AGREEMENT THAT
REFLECTS NEULEVEL'S CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO ICANN AND TO THE LONG-TERM
SECURITY AND STABILITY OF THE DNS.

CONCURRENTLY, THIS PROPOSED AGREEMENT ALSO BEGINS TO ADDRESS THE COMPETITIVE
IMBALANCE IN OUR MARKETPLACE BY ENSURING EQUITABLE TREATMENT OF GTLD
REGISTRIES, AS REQUIRED BY ICANN'S BYLAWS AND OUR EXISTING AGREEMENT.

THE TERMS OF THE POSTED AGREEMENT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CONTRACTUAL UPDATES
TO RECENTLY CONCLUDED AGREEMENTS, INCLUDING PRESUMPTIVE RENEWAL AND A NEW FEE
STRUCTURE.

PRESUMPTIVE RENEWAL WILL HELP TO SECURE NEULEVEL'S LONG-TERM INVOLVEMENT AND
INVESTMENT IN THE GTLD COMMUNITY AND THE DNS.

AND TO HELP US COMPETE FAIRLY WITH OTHER GTL REGISTRY OPERATORS.

WE HAVE INCREASED OUR FEES TO ICANN IN RECOGNITION OF THE KEY ROLE REGISTRIES
MUST PLAY IN SUPPORTING ICANN'S OPERATIONS AND THE IMPORTANT AND CHALLENGING
ISSUES THAT LIE AHEAD FOR THE COMMUNITY.

THE PROPOSED BIZ AGREEMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH ICANN'S CHARTER, BYLAWS, AND
OUR EXISTING AGREEMENT.

UPON APPROVAL, AFTER THE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND BOARD REVIEW,
WE WILL BE BETTER POSITIONED TO MAKE ADDITIONAL LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IN THE
REGISTRY INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH WILL IN TURN ENHANCE THE SECURITY AND
STABILITY OF THE DNS.

WITHOUT THIS AGREEMENT, NEULEVEL WOULD BE FORCED TO OPERATE THE DOT BIZ
REGISTRY AT A SEVERE COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE TO THE DOMINANT REGISTRY
OPERATOR, WITH 85% GTLD MARKET SHARE AND GROWING.

AND OUR CAPACITY FOR LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IN THE DOT BIZ REGISTRY
INFRASTRUCTURE WOULD BE COMPROMISED.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSING THE AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY AND RESPONDING
TO ANY QUESTIONS GENERATED DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR DECISION TO POST FOR PUBLIC COMMENT AT YOUR NEXT
MEETING.

AND MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION, BECAUSE THE PUBLIC INFORMATION PERIOD IS SOMEWHAT
OF A NEW THING, I THINK, IN ICANN PROCESSES, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU
MIGHT BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH US EITHER NOW OR IN A FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION OR
PUBLIC POSTING THE TIME FRAME THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR THOSE NEXT STEPS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE DISCUSSED AT YOUR NEXT MEETING ON FRIDAY OR
IN JULY OR AT SOME OTHER DATE?

>>VINT CERF: IT PROBABLY WON'T BE DISCUSSED FOR THE NEXT MEETING ON FRIDAY,
BECAUSE THE BOARD HAS NOT HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ THAT MATERIAL AND DECIDE
WHETHER IT SHOULD POST FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH INITIATES A SPECIFIC PROCESS
LEADING TOWARDS EITHER THE APPROVAL OF THE CONTRACT OR POSSIBLY CONTINUED
DISCUSSIONS AND NEGOTIATIONS.

FRANKLY, I WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE THE REQUESTS OF THE CEOS OF THE THREE
ORGANIZATIONS TO HAVE THE INFORMATION UP AND AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW
THAT THOSE CONTRACTS HAD REACHED THE STATE THAT THEY'RE IN.

BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO IMPLY THAT THE BOARD HAD APPROVED THEM.

SO THE TERM "PUBLIC INFORMATION" WAS CHOSEN SIMPLY TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN
THAT AND POSTING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH A FORMAL ACTION
WHICH INITIATES A PROCESS.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE.

IT WOULD BE MY EXPECTATION THAT, YOU KNOW, PENDING UNEXPECTED ISSUES, THAT AT
THE NEXT BOARD MEETING, NOT THE ONE COMING UP THIS FRIDAY, BUT THE ONE AFTER
THAT, THAT WE MIGHT BE IN A POSITION TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION.

>>KEITH DRAZEK: OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

>>VINT CERF: MARILYN CADE.
>>MARILYN CADE: THANK YOU, VINT.

I WILL OPEN MY COMMENTS BY REITERATING HOW VALUABLE THE OPPORTUNITY IS TO THE
COMMUNITY, TO ME PERSONALLY, I THINK TO THE COMMUNITY, TO HAVE THE PUBLIC
FORUMS AND TO HAVE THE BOARD SPEND THIS TIME WITH US.

AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE IN THE GNSO HAVE LEARNED FROM THIS,
AND WE HAVE NOW MODIFIED OUR APPROACH AND HAVE OUR OWN PUBLIC FORUM, WHICH IS
GROWING IN ITS IMPORTANCE TO US.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO NOW, GIVEN THAT I HAVE HEARD THAT WE HAVE NEW BLOOD, A NEW
BODY, AND MAYBE SOME SPARE THOUGHTS AVAILABLE, IDENTIFY AN AREA THAT I THINK
-- WHERE I THINK ICANN CAN MAKE DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT AND IN VERY SHORT TIME,
AND ENHANCE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE
ICANN MEETINGS.

AND THAT IS BY QUICKLY IMPLEMENTING A FORM OF A PROGRAM COMMITTEE TO IDENTIFY
AN AGENDA VERY SHORTLY AFTER EACH ICANN MEETING FOR THE NEXT ICANN MEETING,
WITH DETAILED INFORMATION.

WE FIND IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, AND I THINK ELSEWHERE, THAT BUSINESSES
NEED AGENDA INFORMATION IN ORDER TO GET APPROVAL FOR TRAVEL.

THEY NEED INFORMATION AHEAD OF TIME ON THE SUBJECTS AND THE GENERAL DIRECTION
SO THAT THEY CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THEIR BOSSES IN ORDER TO SPEND THE TIME.

SO IF WE COULD MOVE AGGRESSIVELY ON IMPLEMENTING THE PROGRAM COMMITTEE.

AND I TAKE THAT AS SOMETHING SEPARATE THAN MEETING SCHEDULING OR EVEN
IDENTIFICATION OF A PLACE TO HOLD A MEETING.

I THINK YOU WOULD FIND THAT VERY WELCOMED AND SUPPORTED BY THE COMMUNITY.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU, MARILYN.

IT IS GOOD TO MAKE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN WHAT WILL WE TALK ABOUT AND
PRECISELY WHEN WILL WE TALK ABOUT IT.

BECAUSE GETTING THE ACTUAL DETAILED SCHEDULE DOWN TO THE DAY AND THE HOUR IS
ALWAYS HARD.

ON THE OTHER HAND, HAVING ADVANCE NOTICE OF WHAT WILL BE DISCUSSED IS VERY
HELPFUL, AND A NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE OBSERVED THAT, INCLUDING MYSELF.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT, MARILYN.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD OR FROM THE FLOOR?

WENDY.

>>WENDY SELTZER: THANKS.

THIS TIME -- SINCE MANY OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE COME UP AND SAID HAVE BEEN
CRITICAL OF ICANN, I WANTED TO COME UP AND MAKE ONE NOTE OF THANKS HERE,
WHICH IS THAT MY NAME BADGE THAT I REGISTERED FOR THE ICANN MEETING IS NOT
WENDY SELTZER, BUT "ANONYMOUS."

AND IN REGISTERING THAT WAY FOR THE MEETING, I WAS NEVER REQUESTED TO HAVE
IDENTIFICATION OR REQUESTED TO BE PHOTOGRAPHED.

SINCE THIS WAS A CONCERN THAT I HAD RAISED AFTER THE WELLINGTON MEETING, I'M
VERY PLEASED TO FIND THAT ANONYMOUS REGISTRATION WAS FULLY PERMITTED HERE,
AND FOUND THAT VERY HELPFUL TO BE ABLE TO REPORT OUT TO MEMBERS OF THE
INTERNET COMMUNITY WHO HAD ASKED THE ALAC ABOUT THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU.

THAT WAS AN UNEXPECTED COMPLIMENT.

OF COURSE, NOW, YOU REALIZE HAVING MADE THIS PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT THAT WE'LL
HAVE TO MAKE A RECORD THAT YOU HAVE FORMALLY USED AN ALIAS WHICH WE'LL HAVE
TO KEEP IN OUR RECORDS FOR FURTHER USE IN THE FUTURE.

[ LAUGHTER ]
>>WENDY SELTZER: (INAUDIBLE) POLICIES.
>>VINT CERF: WELL, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, -- AHA, MR. MUELLER.

YOU HAD TO -- YOU HAD TO INTERCEPT MY LINE, DIDN'T YOU?

OKAY, GO AHEAD.

>>MILTON MUELLER: YOU WANTED TO ESCAPE, DID YOU?
>>VINT CERF: DRINKS ARE ON THE HOUSE.

BUT GO AHEAD.

>>MILTON MUELLER: WELL, I JUST HAVE AN OPEN QUESTION FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS.

AND I'M NOT REALLY TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE, ALTHOUGH WHEN YOU HEAR THE
QUESTION, YOU'LL PROBABLY THINK THAT I AM.

JUST BUILDING ON THE POINT THAT WENDY, AND TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, MARILYN MADE,
IT IS, INDEED, A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF INSTITUTION, ICANN.

IT IS A -- BASICALLY, A NONGOVERNMENTAL FORM OF GOVERNANCE.

AND MOST OF US, AFTER INTERACTING WITH THE WSIS PROCESS, FOUND IT SLIGHTLY
PREFERABLE TO THE FORMAL GOVERNMENTAL PROCESSES.

THAT BRINGS TO MIND THE NTIA NOTICE OF INQUIRY, WHICH IS COMING UP.

AND I REALLY WOULD JUST LIKE TO HEAR -- THE FIRST AND PROBABLY MOST IMPORTANT
PART OF THAT INQUIRY TALKS ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES THAT WERE FORMULATED IN THE
WHITE PAPER, AMONG WHICH IS THE IDEA OF (INAUDIBLE) PRIVATE-SECTOR
COORDINATION.

AND THE IDEA OF WHETHER WE SHOULD COMPLETE THE TRANSITION -- THIS IS A PHRASE
THAT'S USED FREQUENTLY IN THE NTIA NOTICE OF INQUIRY, "COMPLETING THE
TRANSITION," PRESUMABLY TO A PRIVATE SECTOR GOVERNANCE AUTHORITY INDEPENDENT
OF GOVERNMENT CONTROL, BUT, OF COURSE, ACCOUNTABLE TO A COMMUNITY.

SO WHAT THOUGHTS DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ABOUT WHAT IS THE MOST
CONSTRUCTIVE WAY TO PROPOSE MAKING THIS TRANSITION?

OR DO YOU BELIEVE THINGS SHOULD STAY WHERE THEY ARE NOW?

HOW COULD THE ICANN COMMUNITY PARTICIPATE IN THIS NOTICE IN A WAY THAT GETS
ICANN WHERE IT WANTS TO BE?

WHAT CAN WE ADVOCATE IN THIS PROCEEDING THAT MOVES YOU TO A MORE INDEPENDENT,
PERHAPS, OR ACCOUNTABLE FORM, OR WHETHER YOU DON'T WANT TO BE INDEPENDENT.

I JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR VIEWS.

I DON'T WANT TO PARTICULARLY HEAR ANYTHING -- ANY -- MY VIEW REFLECTED UPON.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU -- SORRY?

OKAY.

SO I'M NOT SURE THAT WE'RE GOING TO STEP THROUGH EVERY BOARD MEMBER.

BUT LET ME JUST REMIND YOU OF THE CONTENT OF THE NOTICE OF INQUIRY.

IF YOU READ IT, YOU'LL SEE VERY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT THE DEPARTMENT OF
COMMERCE IS ASKING.

IMPLICIT IN THE QUESTIONS, I THINK, IS THE PRESUMPTION THAT A
MULTISTAKEHOLDER ORGANIZATION LIKE ICANN IS ASSUMED TO BE THE TARGET OF
TRANSITION.

THEY ARE ASKING HOW TO IMPROVE THE STRUCTURE OR ORGANIZATION OR OPERATION OF
THIS MULTISTAKEHOLDER ICANN.

SO ONE OF THE STRONGEST THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO IS TO RESPOND CONCRETELY TO
THOSE QUESTIONS.

IT WOULD HELP A GREAT DEAL, IN MY OPINION, IF YOU WERE TO CONFIRM, IF YOU
BELIEVE IT, IF YOU AGREE WITH IT, TO CONFIRM THAT ICANN, AS A
MULTISTAKEHOLDER ORGANIZATION, IS A BASIS ON WHICH YOU THINK WE SHOULD
PROCEED.

AND SO YOU AT LEAST WILL CONFIRM THAT -- IF YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT, IT WILL
HELP.

BECAUSE IF YOU THEN SUBSEQUENTLY MAKE A SERIES OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR
IMPROVEMENTS, IT WON'T BE CONCLUDED THAT YOU THINK THAT IT'S ENTIRELY BROKEN.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF ALL OF YOUR RESPONSES ARE TO SAY, "HERE ARE THE THINGS THAT
NEED IMPROVING."

I DON'T INTEND BY THIS COMMENT TO PUT WORDS IN ANYONE'S MOUTH OR EVEN
NECESSARILY THOUGHTS IN YOUR HEAD.

BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE INTENT OF THE D.O.C. NOTICE OF INQUIRY IS TO GET
BACK ANSWERS SPECIFICALLY TO CONCRETE QUESTIONS THAT THEY RAISED.

PAUL, I SEE YOU HAVE YOUR MICROPHONE LIT, WHICH -- OH, THAT WASN'T
INTENTIONAL.

I SEE.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT ANYONE WISHES TO MAKE?

MILTON, DOES THAT -- DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ADEQUATELY?

AT LEAST FOR NOW.

OKAY.

MOUHAMET.

>>MOUHAMET DIOP: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VINT.

I TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK THE WHOLE INTERNET COMMUNITY, BUT I HAVE AN
OPERATIONAL QUESTION FOR PAUL.

SO I CAN SAY THAT'S THE FIRST TIME I TAKE THE FLOOR IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY
AFTER I STEP DOWN FROM THE BOARD.

AND I REALLY TAKE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO THANK ALL THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE
GIVEN CONFIDENCE TO ME.

AND I TOOK DECISION FOR THEM EVERY TIME.

AND MAYBE SOME OF THEM WERE WELL RECEIVED, SOME OTHERS NOT.

SO I REALLY THINK THAT I TRIED TO PUT MY BEST FOR MY HEART AND MY OWN PERSON
ON THAT JOB.

SO THE QUESTION I HAVE IS PERSONALLY FOR -- FOR THE CEO OF THE ORGANIZATION.

WE REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND REGARDING THE OBJECTIVE YOU HAVE DRAFTED ON THE
OPERATIONAL PLAN.

WE GIVE YOU THE MANDATE TO HIRE PEOPLE.

YOU PRESENT A VERY AMBITIOUS PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO FIT REALLY AND HELP US
ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVES OF THE ORGANIZATION.

AFTER YOU GIVE A REPORT OF THE ACTIVITIES, I REALLY WANT TO KNOW IF -- AT
WHAT LEVEL OF HIRING PEOPLE ARE YOU NOW?

DO YOU -- CAN WE SAY THAT YOU REACHED OBJECTIVE AT 100%, 50%, 20% REGARDING
THE WAY THAT YOU THINK THAT IT WILL BE MUCH MORE EFFICIENT IN TERMS OF
OPERATION?

AND I REALLY WANT ALSO, BY THE SAME WAY, IF THE CONSTRAINED BUDGET THAT YOU
HAVE INITIALLY THAT DID NOT HELP YOU GET THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REALLY NEED TO
GET ON BOARD, IF THAT PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED NOW FOR THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: THANK YOU, MOUHAMET.

I -- EVEN BEFORE WE GET INTO 2006/2007 AND THE BUDGETED STAFF RESOURCES THAT
THE OPERATIONAL PLAN CALLS FOR, WE ARE STILL AT STAFFING LEVELS -- I'M TRYING
TO REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBERS.

BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL SOMETHING LIKE 10% BELOW EXISTING BUDGET.

MAYBE MORE.

ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF MANAGEMENT HAS BEEN, FRANKLY, THAT WE ARE STILL --
IT'S A LITTLE BIT LIKE RUNNING A HOUSEHOLD.

WE STILL MANAGE TO CASH A LOT.

AND THAT HAS BEEN BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD CERTAIN UNCERTAINTIES IN OUR REVENUE
STREAM.

AND WE STILL DO HAVE AN UNCERTAINTY IN TERMS OF ONE OF THE ELEMENTS IN THE
ICANN BUDGET IS THE DOT COM -- CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE DOT COM ACCORDING TO
THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT, WHICH HAS NOT YET BEEN FINALIZED, OR THE UNITED
STATES GOVERNMENT HAS NOT YET RESPONDED TO THAT PROCESS.

SO WE STILL MANAGE A LITTLE BIT TO UNCERTAINTY.

THE MANAGEMENT CONSEQUENCE IS THAT WE TEND TO BE CONSERVATIVE ABOUT HIRING
PEOPLE.

SO I THINK -- I'M JUST TRYING TO GO QUICKLY FROM MEMORY.

BUT I THINK WE'RE SOMETHING LIKE 10% AT LEAST BEHIND ON PRESENT BUDGET, WHICH
WOULD SAY THAT WE STILL HAVE QUITE A LOT -- PROVIDING WE DO HAVE FINANCIAL
CERTAINTY ACCORDING TO THE BUDGET NUMBERS THIS COMING YEAR, WE DO HAVE QUITE
A LOT OF HIRING STILL TO GO.

I'M SORRY, MOUHAMET, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBERS IN FRONT OF ME TO
ACTUALLY GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBER.

BUT I POTENTIALLY CAN COME BACK AND FURTHER BRIEF ON THIS POINT.

WE STILL NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE RECRUITING VERY HIGH-QUALITY PEOPLE.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO RECRUIT VERY HIGH-QUALITY PEOPLE IN A NUMBER OF PLACES,
NOT JUST IN CALIFORNIA.

AND AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES, WE -- IN WAYS THAT ARE STILL A
LITTLE STRANGE, I STILL FIND CHALLENGES ABOUT RECRUITMENT IN -- WHERE WE ARE
IN LOS ANGELES.

I THINK IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE -- IT'S PARTLY BECAUSE THE INDUSTRY WE
PARTICULARLY ARE IN HAS NOT BEEN TRADITIONALLY FOCUSED IN LOS ANGELES,
ALTHOUGH I NOTE THAT VINT AND STEVE AND OTHERS ALL SPENT A LOT OF TIME OF
THEIR LIFE THERE.

IT TENDS TO BE MORE SILICON VALLEY IF YOU'RE IN CALIFORNIA.

SO WE STILL ARE HAVING THIS CHALLENGE OF RECRUITING QUALITY PEOPLE.

AND WE ARE TRYING TO USE ALL FORMS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO DO SO, INCLUDING WE ARE
NOW, FOR SOME POSITIONS, USING HEAD-HUNTERS, AND WE ARE CERTAINLY TRYING TO
ADVERTISE INTERNATIONALLY IN MAJOR NEWSPAPERS TO FIND STAFF.

I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE FULLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION YOU WERE ASKING.

IS THAT SUFFICIENT?

I'LL TRY TO COME BACK ON THOSE OTHER NUMBERS, PERHAPS TOMORROW.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PAUL.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE ELSE LINED UP TO RAISE ANY FURTHER ISSUES IN THE OPEN
MICROPHONE PERIOD, AND I DON'T SEE ANY BOARD MEMBERS RAISING THEIR HANDS.

THIS MAY BE, POTENTIALLY, A RECORD, SINCE WE'RE SOMETHING LIKE 40 MINUTES
BEFORE WE HAD ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO FINISH.

HOWEVER, WE DID LOSE A COUPLE OF TOPICS THAT WE HAD TO PUSH OVER TILL
TOMORROW.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF THE REASON THERE'S TIME LEFT.

SUSAN, I SAW YOUR HAND GO UP.

I'D LIKE TO ASK STAFF TO ARRANGE TO HAVE SUSAN'S CHAIR LABELED "AMADEU,"
BECAUSE SHE NOW FILLS THE ROLE THAT AMADEU PLAYED, WHO HAD A PERENNIALLY
RAISED HAND DURING THE COURSE OF ALL BOARD MEETINGS.

SO I'LL JUST REMEMBER TO ALL CALLS ON YOU.

WHAT'S UP?

>>SUSAN CRAWFORD: ALTHOUGH I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC ABOUT HOW THINGS ARE GOING, I
THINK THE ABSENCE OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IS NOT A GREAT SIGN FOR US, AND WE
SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE DO A BETTER JOB AT GETTING THE WORD OUT ABOUT ISSUES
THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND WORK THAT WE'RE DOING.

AND I AM CONCERNED THAT SOME TRADITIONAL PARTICIPANTS IN THESE MEETINGS HAVE
SORT OF GIVEN UP ON US AND DECIDED NOT TO COME.

AND I WANTED JUST TO RAISE THAT POINT SO THAT WE DON'T ONLY PAT OURSELVES ON
THE BACK FOR HOW WE'RE DOING.

THANKS.

>>VINT CERF: WELL, I FEEL COMPELLED, SUSAN, TO OFFER A DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATION.

LET ME GIVE TWO EXAMPLES, MAYBE THREE.

WE HAVE AN OMBUDSMAN WHO IS QUITE BUSY, BUT YOU NOTICED FROM HIS STATISTICS
THAT A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT APPEARED WERE THINGS THAT HE'S NOT CHARGED TO
DEAL WITH, BUT THEY SHOW UP ON HIS DOORSTEP ANYWAY.

THERE IS A COMMERCIAL THAT USED TO BE SHOWN IN THE UNITED STATES OF A MAN WHO
WAS CALLED THE MAYTAG REPAIRMAN.

HE REPAIRED KITCHEN APPLIANCES, INCLUDING WASHING MACHINES AND THINGS LIKE
THAT.

AND, OF COURSE, HE WAS BORED BECAUSE NOTHING EVER BROKE.

AND SO HE NEVER GOT TO DO ANYTHING.

AND THE COMMERCIAL SHOWED HIM IN A SAD STATE OF TRYING TO KEEP HIMSELF
OCCUPIED.

IF FRANK NEVER GOT ANOTHER COMPLAINT, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THAT WOULD BE
GOOD NEWS.

IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT ANOTHER REASON FOR NOT HAVING QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW
IS, EVERYBODY'S WATCHING THE SOCCER MATCH.

ANOTHER POSSIBILITY IS THAT PEOPLE MIGHT BE SATISFIED, AT LEAST ON THE TOPICS
WE'VE DISCUSSED TODAY, THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE DISCUSSED FURTHER.

SO I WOULDN'T LEAP TOO QUICKLY TO CONCLUDE THAT THE ABSENCE OF A QUEUE --
WELL, THERE'S ONE -- ABSENCE OF A QUEUE NECESSARILY MEANS THAT PEOPLE ARE
DISINTERESTED.

LIKE EVERY OTHER PREDICTION, AS SOON AS YOU KEEP TALKING LONG ENOUGH,
SOMEBODY WILL POP UP AT THE MICROPHONE.

SO YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

>> YEAH, MY NAME IS BRANDON SANDERS, COLLABORATION ENTHUSIAST.

AND ONE OF THE VOLUNTEERS FOR ICANNWIKI.

AND I THOUGHT WHAT SUSAN RAISED AS A POINT WAS INTERESTING, BECAUSE I'M ON
THE IRC CHANNEL AND, YOU KNOW, I GET TO SEE KIND OF A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT
PERSPECTIVE THAN MAYBE SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS DO.

SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF PEOPLE WOULD MAYBE GIVE A SHOW OF HANDS, HOW MANY
FEEL THAT THE PROCESS IS LEADING TO LESS PARTICIPATION BECAUSE IT'S BROKEN,
OR THAT IT'S ACTUALLY DOING SO WELL THAT NOBODY FEELS LIKE THEY NEED TO COME.

SO THE FIRST ONE, IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S KIND OF A LACK OF PARTICIPATION,
HANDS?

>>VINT CERF: I'M SORRY.

WHICH ONE WERE YOU VOTING ON?

>>BRANDON SANDERS: SO THE FIRST ONE IS, YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S BROKEN AND THAT'S
LEADING TO A LACK OF PARTICIPATION.

HANDS FOR THAT.

SO THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL THAT, BUT THERE ARE SOME.

AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE EVERYTHING IS WORKING PERFECTLY AND IT'S THE MAYTAG
REPAIRMAN, THE ANSWER TO THAT, ANYBODY?

>>VINT CERF: WELL, I -- THIS IS JUST A RATHER PECULIAR EXTREME.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING'S BROKEN; I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING'S WORKING
PERFECTLY.

SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PURPOSE IS HERE.

DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR DO YOU JUST WANT TO JUST RAISE A POINT NOW?

>>BRANDON SANDERS: I GUESS THAT WAS JUST RAISING A POINT.

I WAS JUST INTERESTED IF THERE WAS A STRONG CONSENSUS THAT COULD BE
ELUCIDATED.

BUT APPARENTLY NOT.

SO....

>>VINT CERF: OKAY.

WELL, I DID SEE A BUNCH OF ALAC HANDS WAVING.

SO THE IMPLICATION THERE IS THAT SOMEHOW WE HAVE WORK TO DO IN THAT
DIMENSION.

MR. HOTTA.

>> NAOMASA MARUYAMA: NO, NO.

THIS IS NAOMASA MARUYAMA.

>>VINT CERF: APOLOGIES.

GO AHEAD.

>> NAOMASA MARUYAMA: MY NAME IS NAOMASA MARUYAMA.

TO SPEAK OF THE PARTICIPATION, I HAVE TO SAY ONE THING.

IT WAS REPEATEDLY SAID BEFORE, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE -- EVERYONE GAVE
(INAUDIBLE) TO SAY THAT.

PLEASE THINK ABOUT THE FOREIGN PARTICIPANTS, NOT -- NON-ENGLISH SPEAKERS.

LOTS OF YOU ARE SPEAKING TOO FAST.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU.

WE HOPED THAT WE WERE SPEAKING SLOWLY ENOUGH THAT THE TRANSCRIBERS COULD KEEP
UP.

BUT IF THAT'S STILL NOT ADEQUATE, LET ME ASK ALL NON-ENGLISH, NON-NATIVE
ENGLISH SPEAKERS TO FEEL FREE ALWAYS TO REMIND US OF THIS, NOT ONLY AT THE
END OF THE MEETING AT OPEN MICROPHONE, BUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE MEETING, TOO.

SO, MR. MARUYAMA, PLEASE REMIND US WHENEVER YOU SEE THE NEED.

WE WON'T TAKE OFFENSE AT ALL.

MISTER IZUMI.

>>IZUMI AIZU: WELL, I'M MR. AIZU OR IZUMI.

ANYWAY, I WAS JUST CURIOUS.

>>VINT CERF: I HAVE NOW MADE TWO MASSIVE CULTURAL FAUX PAS.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT TO DO NEXT. SO IZUMI-SAN.

>>IZUMI AIZU: NO, YOU SAY AIZU-SAN.
>>VINT CERF: I TELL YOU WHAT, AFTER THIS IS OVER, TAKE ME OFF AND LEARN
JAPANESE.
>>IZUMI AIZU: I WOULDN'T CALL YOU WILL MR. CERF.

THAT'S SOMETHING SIMILAR.

>>VINT CERF: MY FRIENDS CALL ME VINT.

YOU CAN CALL ME DR. CERF.

>>IZUMI AIZU: RIGHT.

JUST OUT OF MY CURIOSITY AND WITH SOME REMAINING TIME TO BE CONSUMED, WAS
THERE ANY REASON THAT YOU COULDN'T OR DIDN'T PREPARE THE FRENCH
INTERPRETATION IN THIS DISCUSSION TIME?

WE HAD ONE IN THE OPENING CEREMONY, BUT I WAS EXPECTING SOMETHING LIKE, FOR
INSTANCE, INTERPRETATION MAY HAPPEN IN DIFFERENT SPEAKING TERRITORY. OTHER
THAN THE FINANCIAL REASONS, WAS THERE ANY SORT OF INTENTIONAL DECISION? OR
JUST IT HAPPENED BECAUSE THE ORGANIZERS SAID NO, NO, DON'T NEED EVERY --
PEOPLE AROUND THIS REGION IS ALL COMFORTABLE IN DOING BUSINESS IN ENGLISH?

>>VINT CERF: THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WE STRUGGLE, I THINK, AT ALMOST EVERY
MEETING AND AT OTHER TIMES TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO COPE WITH LANGUAGE
VARIATIONS AND NEEDS WITHOUT NECESSARILY OVERWHELMING OUR BUDGET AND STAFF.

WE'VE HAD STORIES FROM THE ITU AND FROM OTHER UNITED NATIONS ORGANIZATIONS
ABOUT THE AMOUNT THAT IT COST THEM TO DO EVERYTHING IN FIVE OR SIX LANGUAGES.

THAT, HOWEVER, IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO SAY WE COULDN'T DO SOMETHING IN TWO
LANGUAGES.

SO, PAUL, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE UP AS AN ELEMENT OF
PLANNING AND THINKING AS YOUR OPERATIONAL WORK GOES FORWARD.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: IF YOU MAY, CHAIR, I DO THINK THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT THE
MEETINGS COMMITTEE HAS TO CONSIDER CAREFULLY. IT HAS SIGNIFICANT
IMPLICATIONS FOR HOW RFPS WRITTEN AND IT DOES HAVE SIGNIFICANT IMPLICATIONS
FOR COST.

I AM NOT AT ALL CONTRARY TO THE CONCERN RAISED, BUT I WOULD FEEL
UNCOMFORTABLE JUST AT SORT OF THE EXECUTIVE LEVEL TO MAKE THE DECISION.

I THINK WE DO NEED TO CONSULT THE MEETINGS COMMITTEE.

>>VINT CERF: AT THE VERY LEAST, WHEN WE HAVE ORAL EXCHANGES OF THIS KIND, ONE
COULD GIVE CONSIDERATION. I THINK THAT'S INDEPENDENT OF WRITING RFPS.
>>IZUMI AIZU: BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING, THE NOT LARGE PARTICIPATION ORALLY AS
WELL HERE FROM MANY AFRICAN COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE THIS IS ALSO PART OF THE
AFRICAN CONTINENT. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER REASON. WELL, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT
LANGUAGE IS THE BARRIER, PER SE. BUT IF YOU CAN SEND MUCH MORE STRONG
MESSAGE INVITING THESE PEOPLE WHOSE LANGUAGE IS NOT YOUR MOTHER TONGUE, THEN
CONTINUOUSLY, AS A SORT OF REGULAR OPERATIONAL MODE OF OUR BUSINESS, THEN OUR
MEETINGS.

OF COURSE, IT HAS SOME SIDE EFFECT, AS I UNDERSTAND. WHEN WE OR THEY
ORGANIZE IN JAPAN BACK IN 2000 IN YOKOHAMA, THEY PREPARED ALL THE BILINGUAL
TRANSLATION WITH ENGLISH AND JAPANESE, BECAUSE MANY JAPANESE COULDN'T QUITE
CATCH UP THE ENGLISH CONVERSATION. BUT IT PUT A LOT MORE COST TO THE LOCAL,
AND I HEARD THEY MADE SIGNIFICANT LOSS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR WE COVER THE
LOSS.

IF YOU SET THAT KIND OF PARAMETER, PER SE, AND ANY LOCAL HOST HAS TO BEAR
THAT COST, THEN THERE MIGHT BE FEWER HOSTS WILL BE WILLING TO SPONSOR OR
ORGANIZE. WHICH MAY ACTUALLY, IN REALITY, LIMIT OUR GLOBAL ACTIVITIES.

SO WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL, BUT I THINK WE'D LIKE TO SORT OF ADDRESS THIS
IN A RELATIVELY OPEN MANNER.

AND AT-LARGE ALSO IS STRUGGLING WITH THIS LANGUAGE BARRIERS TO REACH OUT THE
PEOPLE.

THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU.

IS THIS ANN OR WENDY?

>>WENDY SELTZER: THANK YOU, IT IS WENDY. AND I WON'T APOLOGIZE FOR BEING UP
HERE A THIRD TIME BECAUSE I THINK I'M BUT A POOR PROXY FOR THE REMOTE
PARTICIPANTS WHO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THIS MEETING BUT I HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH
PEOPLE ON THE IRC CHANNEL WHO ARE, UNFORTUNATELY, HAVING DIFFICULTY HEARING
OR SEEING THE STREAMS BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY BROADCAST IN PROPRIETARY FORMATS.

SO ONE CONCRETE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO USE OPEN-SOURCE STREAMING MEDIA
FOR THESE WEBCASTS.

I THINK ANOTHER VERY HELPFUL TOOL TO AUGMENT THE REALTIME SCRIBING THAT WE
CAN SEE HERE WOULD BE TO FEED THIS IN REAL-TIME INTO A WEB ACCESSIBLE STREAM
SO THAT PEOPLE ON LOW BANDWIDTH CONNECTIONS COULD BE WATCHING THE SAME THING
THAT PARTICIPANTS IN THE AUDIENCE HERE ARE WATCHING.

WE KNOW IT'S TREMENDOUSLY EXPENSIVE FOR PEOPLE TO FLY AROUND THE WORLD TO
FOLLOW THESE MEETINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY THAT THE RELATIVELY SMALL
NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE HERE REFLECTS THAT THERE'S A RELATIVELY
SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE ISSUES THAT ICANN IS
DECIDING UPON.

SO I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO SEE MORE EXPERIMENTATION WITH -- ESPECIALLY WITH
ALL OF THE CREATIVE TOOLS THAT COMPANIES LIKE GOOGLE AND OTHERS REPRESENTED
UP HERE HAVE AT THEIR DISPOSAL AND HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH, IT WOULD BE
WONDERFUL TO SEE EXPERIMENTATION WITH MORE FORMS OF INVOLVING REMOTE
PARTICIPATIONS -- REMOTE PARTICIPANTS IN THESE MEETINGS.

SO THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: YEAH, YOU'RE WELCOME.

WENDY, YOU SHOULD KNOW, AND I GUESS EVERYONE ELSE SHOULD KNOW, THAT WE RAN
INTO A VERY MAJOR LOGISTICS PROBLEM. A LOT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT NORMALLY IS
HERE IS NOT HERE. AND WITHOUT GOING INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS, GETTING IT
IN AND OUT OF THE COUNTRY IS NOT THE FAULT OF MOROCCO AT ALL. THEY HAVE BEEN
EXTREMELY HELPFUL. A COMPLICATED SERIES OF THINGS HAPPENED.

SO OUR TEAM HERE DID NOT HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NORMALLY HAVE. SO A LOT OF
THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER THAN IT WAS THIS TIME. BUT IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S
FAULT. IT'S JUST A SERIES OF INCIDENTS THAT HAPPENED.

I'M GOING TO TAKE TWO BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE ASKED TO SPEAK. VENI FIRST AND
THEN RAIMUNDO, AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO THE FLOOR.

>>VENI MARKOVSKI: IT'S WITH CONNECTION OF WHAT IZUMI OR AIZU-SAN OR MR. AIZU
SAID ABOUT THE ENGLISH AND THE TRANSLATION.

FIRST OF ALL, I ACTUALLY AGREE ALSO THAT SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE
SPEAKING FAST. YOU FORGET -- I MEAN, IT WAS NOT YOU. SOMEBODY ELSE MADE THE
POINT THAT YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THAT SOME OF THEM EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH, WHICH
IS A LITTLE BIT WITH A STRANGE ACCENT AND DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. AND THEY
ARE NODDING. YOU CAN RECOGNIZE THEM. THEY ARE NODDING.

BUT --

>>VINT CERF: THIS IS A CLEAR SHOT AT OUR CEO, AND I'M SURE HE RESENTS THAT.
>>PAUL TWOMEY: I HAVE JUST BEEN READING OUR ANTI-DISCRIMINATION PROVISIONS IN
EMPLOYMENT, AND I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS LATER.
>>VENI MARKOVSKI: I THINK ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD POINT BECAUSE WE
DON'T NO WHETHER YOU ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED OR YOU ARE DISCRIMINATING US IN
THE AUDIENCE. [ LAUGHTER ]
>>VENI MARKOVSKI: BUT THE ISSUE WITH THE TRANSLATION IS AS FOLLOWS. IF THERE
IS TRANSLATION IN THE BIG PLENARY HALL LIKE THIS ONE, WHICH PROBABLY CAN BE
ACHIEVED, PEOPLE START TO ASK FOR TRANSLATION IN THE SMALLER WORKSHOPS AND
SMALLER HOSTS, AND THAT BECOMES VERY SUBSTANTIAL EXPENSE.

SECONDLY, IT'S NOT ONLY -- I MEAN, IT WOULD BE REALLY EASY IF IT'S ONLY LIKE
A COUPLE OF INTERPRETERS SITTING SOMEWHERE AND TRANSLATING A COUPLE HOURS OF
MEETINGS, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE EQUIPMENT. THIS EQUIPMENT USUALLY IS EXPENSIVE,
AND AS YOU HAVE SEEN DURING THE OPENING, THEY TAKE YOUR ID.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT EASY FROM THE LOCAL HOST PERSPECTIVE TO ORGANIZE
A TRANSLATION.

WE DID HAVE SOME TRANSLATION IN MARINA DEL REY, WHICH WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL,
AND IT MAY HAPPEN AGAIN IN SOME COUNTRIES WHICH ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE THAT
ON TOP OF THE USUAL REQUIREMENTS. BUT I WOULD NOT BE REALLY PUTTING THIS
INTO THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS AS A CONDITION WITHOUT WHICH YOUR PROPOSAL
WILL NOT BE REVIEWED BY THE MEETINGS COMMITTEE AND BY THE BOARD, BECAUSE THAT
WILL SERIOUSLY ELIMINATE A NUMBER OF COUNTRIES, FIRST. AND SECONDLY, IN SOME
COUNTRIES, LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE FRENCH MAKES SENSE, AND MANY PEOPLE SPEAK
FRENCH. BUT IN SOME COUNTRIES, IT MAY BE A VERY SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
WILL BE USING ACTUALLY LIKE THIS LANGUAGE.

LIKE IF WE HAVE A MEETING IN THE U.S., WHAT WOULD BE THE SECOND LANGUAGE TO
BE TRANSLATED TO, YOU KNOW?

>>VINT CERF: (INAUDIBLE).

RAIMUNDO IS NEXT, AND -- OH, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS WAITING?
ALL RIGHT.

SO RAIMUNDO, MOUHAMET, AND THEN ROBERTO. SO RAIMUNDO.

>>RAIMUNDO BECA: MERCI, DR. CERF. ONLY TO MAKE A JOKE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT
IMPORTANT WHAT I AM GOING TO TELL.

I WILL TELL IT IN FRENCH.

(SPEAKING FRENCH).
>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU RAIMUNDO. [ LAUGHTER ]
>>RAIMUNDO BECA: DID YOU GET IT?
>>VINT CERF: IT'S CLEAR NOW THAT I HAVE BEEN THE BUTT OF A FRENCH JOKE WHICH
I DIDN'T INTERPRET. SHOULD YOU TELL ME WHAT I SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED ABOUT?
>>RAIMUNDO BECA: IT'S NOT FOR THE GAME.
>>VINT CERF: WELL, HAVING HAD THAT LITTLE BIT OF FUN, LET ME GO TO MOUHAMET
WHO WILL TAKE THE NEXT STEP, AND THEN ROBERTO.
>>MOUHAMET DIOP: THANK YOU, VINT. HE JUST GIVE ME THE FLOOR. I HAVE ALAN
LEVIN BEHIND ME, HE HAS ANOTHER ISSUE. BUT I WANT TO EMPHASIS ON THE
TRANSLATION.

I THINK THAT IT'S -- I THINK, VINT, IT'S REALLY TIME FOR US TO TAKE A
DECISION REGARDING THE COMING MEETINGS WILL HAVE AS AN ORGANIZATION. I MEAN,
WE HAVE DONE, IN THE PAST, SOME TRANSLATION INITIATIVE BASED ON THE FACT
THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN ACCRA WE DID SOMETHING, IN OTHER COUNTRY WE DID
SOMETHING.

BUT THE LACK OF CONSISTENCY IS NOT GOOD AT ALL AS AN IMAGE.

WE HAVE AN OBJECTIVE TO BE TRULY AN INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION.

WE TRY IN THE PAST AND WE SHOW THAT TRANSLATION IS PART OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE
ASKING FOR IN ORDER TO BE -- TO PARTICIPATE.

THERE IS ONE MEETING THAT HAVE BEEN FINISHED ON SUNDAY, PAST SUNDAY. ALL THE
AFRICAN GROUP ARE MORE THAN 75 PEOPLE, AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT WAS BECAUSE
TRANSLATION WAS THERE AND THEY SPEAK FRENCH AND ENGLISH.

LOOK AT THE ROOM. I MEAN, YOU SEE VERY FEW OF THEM BECAUSE IN THE WEST
AFRICAN COUNTRY WHERE THEY COME FROM, THEY DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE ENGLISH
LANGUAGE, AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CANNOT SIT HERE FOR FOUR HOURS
WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING ANYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND THEY ARE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, CAPABLE GUY, BUT THEY DON'T SPEAK ENGLISH.

SO IT'S REALLY TIME TO HAVE A RESOLUTION IN ICANN SAYING THAT FROM NOW, WE
DECIDE THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO AN EFFORT TO SHOW TO PEOPLE THAT TRANSLATION
IS PART OF OUR AGENDA.

AND NEXT COMING MEETING OFFICIALLY -- I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE ARE GOING TO PAY
FROM OUR POCKET, BUT WE DECIDE THE NEXT SAO PAULO MEETING, FROM NOW UP TO,
WELL, WHENEVER WE WANT, ICANN MEETING WILL REALLY BE OPEN AND WILL TRY TO
MAKE TRANSLATION AS PART OF THE PROGRAM.

SO TOGETHER WE WILL TRY TO SEE WHO WILL HELP. IF IT IS, INDEED, THE
CARIBBEAN AREA, SO THEY HAVE LOCAL PEOPLE THAT CAN DO SOMETHING. IN
FRENCH-SPEAKING AREA LIKE HERE, IF YOU ARE ASKING, MAYBE THE FRANCOPHONE
AGENCY CAN DO SOMETHING, THE OTHER SPONSOR CAN DO SOMETHING.

BUT JUST TRY TO DECORRELATE AND DECIDE FROM NOW, WE WILL DO AN EFFORT AND IT
WILL BE FROM THE RESOLUTION SIDE, WE ARE GOING TO DO A RESOLUTION THAT
TRANSLATION WILL BE PART OF THE PROGRAM.

AND I THINK THAT THIS WILL HELP TO SEE THE CONSISTENCY ON OUR APPROACH AND
OUR RESOLUTION TO HELP BROADEN THE OUTREACH FOR FOREIGN LEGIONS. THANK YOU.

>>VINT CERF: MOUHAMET, LET ME TAKE ROBERTO AND THEN ALAN -- ACTUALLY, ALAN
WAS NEXT.
>>HARTMUT GLASER: HE GAVE IT TO ME.
>>VINT CERF: OH. SO ROBERTO.
>>ROBERTO GAETANO: THANK YOU.

WELL, I WILL NOT REPEAT WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR YEARS ABOUT THE
TRANSLATION. YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT, HOW I FEEL OBLIGED TO MAKE SOMETHING
TO GO TOWARDS THE LOCAL COMMUNITY ALSO BY USING THE LANGUAGE.

WE ARE DOING NOW AN EFFORT, FOR INSTANCE, TO -- WITH THE IDN TO GO TO DO
SOMETHING -- TO DO SOMETHING FOR THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT USE DIFFERENT
SCRIPTS. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULDN'T DO THE SAME FOR DIFFERENT
SCRIPTS, FOR DIFFERENT LANGUAGES.

I WAS, IN FACT, EXPECTING TRANSLATION IN FRENCH IN THIS MEETING. WE HAD THAT
IN TUNIS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. BUT THAT, AS I SAID, THIS IS -- I AM A
LONG-TIME SUPPORTER OF TRANSLATION PROVIDED THAT WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL
COVERAGE FOR THIS.

MY POINT IS A DIFFERENT ONE, IS THAT THE LANGUAGE IS NOT THE ONLY REASON IN
MY OPINION WHY PEOPLE ARE LESS INTERESTED IN THESE MEETINGS.

I DIDN'T FEEL THAT IN THE AUDIENCE, WHEN A QUESTION WAS RAISED, THERE ARE
PLENTY OF ENGLISH-SPEAKING PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE OR PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND
PERFECTLY ENGLISH, AND THEY WERE NOT ENTHUSIASTIC IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS
ANYWAY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT, ESPECIALLY AS IT HAS BEEN REMINDED, THAT WE
HAVE NO FOOTBALL MATCH TODAY, I MIGHT HAVE EXPECTED A HIGHER AUDIENCE.

PROBABLY IT HAS ALSO TO DO WITH NOT ONLY WITH THE WAY WE STRUCTURE THE
MEETING, BUT THE CONTENTS OF THE DISCUSSION, HOW THE DISCUSSION FLOWS, AND
THE REAL OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO GO AND STEP AT THE MIKE AND SAY SOMETHING
MEANINGFUL THAT WAS AN INFLUENCE IN THE PROCESS.

I THINK THAT WE SHOULD -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD LEAVE THIS HEAVY TASK
ONLY TO THE MEETING COMMITTEE. BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF THE REASONS WHY WE ARE FEELING A LOWER INTEREST BY THE
INTERNET COMMUNITY.

FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE INTERNET COMMUNITY WHETHER THIS IS
JUST A FEELING THAT I HAVE BEING ON THIS SIDE OR WHETHER THERE IS REALLY A
LACK OF INTEREST.

MAYBE SOME OF THE ISSUES ARE BECOMING REALLY SLIGHTLY TECHNICAL OR RELATED TO
CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE REGISTRIES AND REGISTRARS AND USERS MIGHT BE LESS
INTERESTED. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I THINK THAT WE SHOULD REALLY NOW, IN
COLLABORATION, AS SUSAN POINTED OUT, IN COLLABORATION ALSO, NOW THAT WE HAVE
A PERSON THAT IS RESPONSIBLE ALSO FOR CORPORATE COMMUNICATION, I THINK WE
SHOULD START AN ANALYSIS AND WE SHOULD GET TO THE ROOT CAUSE AND WE SHOULD
REALLY DO SOMETHING. BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE STRENGTH OF ICANN VERSUS
ANOTHER TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT TO TAKE CARE OF INTERNET GOVERNANCE IS EXACTLY
THIS COMPONENT OF PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

AND I WONDER HOW MUCH THIS MODEL CAN CONTINUE IF THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION
DOES NOT STAY AT THE LEVEL IT USED TO HAVE AT THE BEGINNING.

THANK YOU.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>VINT CERF: OKAY. THANK YOU, ROBERTO.

LET ME TAKE HARTMUT AND THEN PAUL.

>>HARTMUT GLASER: I DON'T KNOW IF I SOLVE THE PROBLEM BUT I HAVE A SHORT
NOTICE FOR THE AUDIENCE.

IN SAO PAULO, WE WILL HAVE TRANSLATION IN TWO LANGUAGES, AND THE HOST WILL
PROVIDE TRANSLATION IN TWO LANGUAGES FOR FREE FOR ICANN. THAT WILL BE A TEST
BED

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>HARTMUT GLASER: AND THEN WE CAN EVALUATE IF WE CAN FOLLOW OR NOT.

SO PLEASE, IN FRENCH, IN SPANISH, WE PROVIDE EVERYTHING FROM ENGLISH TO TWO
LANGUAGES.

[ APPLAUSE ]
>>ROBERTO GAETANO: YOU SAID FROM PORTUGUESE INTO FRENCH AND SPANISH? I
THOUGHT HE MEANT FROM PORTUGUESE INTO FRENCH AND SPANISH, BUT.... [ LAUGHTER
].
>>VINT CERF: IT COULD BE ASSYRIAN AND ANCIENT BABYLONIAN.

PAUL.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: A FACT POINT, CHAIRMAN, ON THIS DISCUSSION. THE CONSULTATIONS
WE HAVE HAD IN ALL ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN, IN LUXEMBOURG, AGAIN IN WELLINGTON
AND PARTICULARLY HERE, IN FRENCH, IN SPANISH, AND PARTICULARLY HERE IN
ARABIC.

YOU WOULD THINK WE WERE HAVING A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION. THEY HAVE BEEN VERY
ENTHUSIASTICALLY ATTENDED, AND I THINK THE PARTICIPATION HAS BEEN STRONG IN
TERMS OF PEOPLE GETTING TO SPEAK IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES.

I'M TOLD THE ARABIC ONE IN PARTICULAR, IN THIS, TODAY, I'D LIKE TO THANK
BAHER, THE REGIONAL LIAISONS PLAY A ROLE IN TRANSLATION IN THIS, WAS VERY
EFFECTIVE.

THEY ALSO USE A PARTICIPATORY TOOL, DISTRIBUTED KEYBOARD TOOL, WHICH ALSO
HELPS OVERCOME THE TYRANNY OF THE MICROPHONE. AND LETS EVERYBODY PARTICIPATE
AT THE SAME TIME TO QUESTIONS. IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE EFFICIENT.

IT WAS CERTAINLY CLEAR IN THE ARABIC CONSULTATION HERE IN MARRAKECH THAT MANY
OF THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED AND THE INFORMATION BEING PURVEYED DIDN'T DEAL
WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN. IT ACTUALLY DEALT WITH "I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.
CAN YOU PROPERLY EXPLAIN THESE THINGS TO ME?"

SO I THINK THERE HAS CERTAINLY BEEN SOMETHING THERE ABOUT THAT. THERE'S A
LEARNING I THINK WE CAN TAKE FROM THOSE CONSULTATION PROCESSES.

>>VINT CERF: IZUMI.
>>IZUMI AIZU: THANK YOU, VINT, AND THANK YOU ALAN, WHO KINDLY GAVE ME THE
FLOOR FIRST, BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTINUE ABOUT THIS LANGUAGE ISSUE.

FOR THE CORPORATE MEMORY, IF YOU REMEMBER, WHEN MR. STUART LYNN CAME INTO
THE CEO, HE WAS VERY ENTHUSIASTIC TO INTERNATIONALIZE AND PUT SPECIAL
EMPHASIS ON THE LANGUAGE AND THE TRANSLATION. AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS SOME
KIND OF TASK FORCE FOR THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS AROUND 2000, 2001. I WAS A
MEMBER OF THE DOT FORCE, THE DIGITAL OPPORTUNITY TASK FORCE, OF THE G8 WHERE
WE REALLY CAMPAIGNED HOW TO PROMOTE UNIVERSAL PARTICIPATION, PARTICULARLY
FROM THE DEVELOPING COUNTRIES TO THIS PROCESS SUCH AS ICANN.

AND WE HAVE A SIMILAR CONTEXT IN THE WSIS THAT MANY OF THESE PEOPLE FROM THE
DEVELOPING COUNTRIES WANT TO PARTICIPATE MORE EFFECTIVELY IN ICANN AND OTHER
FORA.

AND ONE OF THE AREAS IS LANGUAGE, OR THE, YOU KNOW, HOW TO EFFECTIVELY
PARTICIPATE.

SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER IT'S -- IT'S NOT WHETHER IT'S FEASIBLE
OR NOT, BUT THE FIRST THING IS WHETHER IT IS REALLY NECESSARY OR NOT.

AND IF SO, WE SHOULD ORGANIZE SOME KIND OF EITHER TASK FORCE OR WHATEVER BY
THE STAFF OR BY THE COMMUNITY.

I'M NOT TOO SURE ALAC AS A WHOLE CAN PARTICIPATE OR NOT, BUT CERTAINLY I,
MYSELF, IS WILLING TO SORT OF SORT OUT PRAGMATICALLY TO THIS, BECAUSE I DON'T
WANT TO RAISE THE EXPECTATION AND THEN DISAPPEAR IN THE MIDDLE OF SOMEWHERE.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED BETWEEN 2000 AND 2006.

>>VINT CERF: IZUMI.

A. ERICK.

>>ERICK IRIARTE: THANKS. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO THE FLOOR ONE ISSUE THAT
APPEAR TODAY. (INAUDIBLE) SPANISH, THAT IS GOOD IDEA, HAVE DIFFERENT
STRATEGIC PLAN MEETINGS IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGE. BUT IT'S SOME KIND OF
EXCLUSION, BECAUSE WE ARE INTERESTING IN EXPOSING OUR IDEAS, THE SPANISH
PEOPLE AND FRENCH PEOPLE, TO ALL (INAUDIBLE) COMMUNITY. NOT ONLY BRING THE
RESUME MAYBE FOR THIS KIND OF EXERCISE COULD BE VERY USEFUL, SOME KIND OF
(INAUDIBLE) BECAUSE THE POSITION OF THE PEOPLE COULD BE VERY NECESSARY TO
UNDERSTAND WITH THE PEOPLE THAT MAYBE DON'T SPEAK THE SAME LANGUAGE, BUT IT
CAN BE INTERESTING YOUR OPINION.

PLEASE DON'T TAKE THE IDEA OF SEPARATE THE PEOPLE BY THE LANGUAGE AND THEN
ASSUME.

MAYBE WILL BE A PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE THE SPANISH PEOPLE, THE
PORTUGUESE PEOPLE FOR THE OTHER SIDE.

AND SECOND POINT, MAYBE WE HAVE TWO PROBLEMS MORE THAT WHY THE PEOPLE IS NOT
HERE, OR THREE.

ONE IS THE TIME.

WE ARE AROUND 6:00 ON THE CLOCK, AND ALL THE PEOPLE WANT TO BE IN BED OR IN
THE POOL OR SOMEPLACE.

SECOND IS MAYBE SOME PEOPLE ARE VISITING THE CITY.

IT'S A GOOD CITY.

AND THEY DON'T MEET IN THE TIME OF THE WORKSHOP, BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WANT TO
SEE THE GAMES, THE MATCH OF SOCCER.

>>VINT CERF: LAST COMMENT, I HOPE, IS FROM SEBASTIAN.
>>SEBASTIEN BACHOLLET: YEAH, I WOULD LIKE IN MY FRANGLAIS, TO EMPHASIZE WHAT
PAUL IN HIS AUSTRAILIAN SAID ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN.

IN FACT, IT WAS ABOUT STRATEGIC PLAN, BUT MUCH MORE QUESTIONS.

AND THE TIME WAS TOO CONSTRAINED TO HAVE.

BUT I AM SURE THAT THIS TYPE OF MEETING COULD BE VERY USEFUL.

TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT MY PREVIOUS SPEAKERS SAID, WE NEED ALSO TO FIND A
WAY TO EXCHANGE WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN DIFFERENT SUBGROUPS IN LANGUAGES.

BECAUSE, OF COURSE, WE NEED ALSO TO HAVE A GLOBAL VIEW.

BUT I AM SURE THAT WE CAN FIND, WITH THE TYPE OF TOOL DEVELOPED AND USED FOR
THIS STRATEGIC PLAN CONSULTATION, OTHER TYPE OF DISCUSSION AND MEETINGS AND
THE TYPE OF INTERACTION BETWEEN -- BETWEEN THE PARTICIPANTS OF THE MEETING IN
OUR OWN LANGUAGE, AND IT COULD BE VERY INTERESTING.

THE SECOND POINT IS THAT THE MEETING IS NOT JUST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE.

THERE ARE SIDE MEETINGS.

AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THE MEETING BEFORE THE ACTUAL OPENING OF
THIS ICANN MEETING, ORGANIZED BY ISOC MOROCCO WITH THE HELP OF ISOC FRANCE,
WAS ALSO ONE WAY TO SHOW PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTRY AND FROM THE REGION SOME
DIFFERENT FACETS OF THE QUESTION OF ICANN AND MARGINALLY INTERNET GOVERNANCE.

AND I THINK WE MUST NOT MEASURE THE SUCCESS OF AN ICANN MEETING TO THE PEOPLE
SEATED HERE, BUT ALSO TO THE WORK DONE AND THE DISCUSSION, BILATERAL OR
MULTILATERAL, THAT HAPPENS DURING THIS WEEK OF MEETING.

AND I STILL FEEL THAT IT'S VERY INTERESTING TYPE OF ORGANIZATION AND MEETING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>>VINT CERF: SEBASTIAN, THANK YOU.

ONE SMALL COMMENT.

OH, ALAN WANTS -- AFTER HAVING GIVEN UP YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

YOU SHOULD GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>>ALAN LEVIN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VINT.

I'M SORRY THAT I DIDN'T ARRIVE HERE ON TIME.

WE HAD AN AD HOC MEETING OF THREE AT-LARGE STRUCTURES, AFRICAN AT-LARGE
STRUCTURES, WHICH FOLLOWED THE ISOC CHAPTERS MEETING THIS AFTERNOON.

AND WE HAD A CONCEPTUAL AGREEMENT TO ESTABLISH AN AFRICAN REGIONAL AT-LARGE
ORGANIZATION, AND I WANT TO REPORT THIS TO THE BOARD AND ALSO REQUEST SOME
COMMUNICATIONS.

WE DO NOT HAVE -- ALTHOUGH WE ARE ARRANGING, THE CONTACT ADDRESSES OF THE
OTHER AT-LARGE ADDRESSES WITHIN THE REGION.

IT'S VERY EXCITING.

THE THREE AT-LARGE STRUCTURES WITH ISOC SOUTH AFRICA, ISOC MOROCCO, AND ISOC
SUDAN.

AND WE'VE AGREED TO ESTABLISH A VERY LEAN REGIONAL AT-LARGE ORGANIZATION
WHICH MEETS THE MOST BASIC REQUIREMENTS OF THE AT-LARGE COMMITTEE OR THE --
BECAUSE AND THE ICANN BYLAWS.

AND WE REQUEST TO ENGAGE WITH THE BOARD TO ENTER SOME KIND OF FORMAL
AGREEMENT TO ESTABLISH A REGIONAL AT-LARGE ORGANIZATION.

>>VINT CERF: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ALAN.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

ONE LAST COMMENT BEFORE WE BREAK, THEN.

IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF WE PURSUE THE TRANSLATION QUESTION, WHICH IS CLEARLY
OF GREAT INTEREST, WHATEVER EXPENSE IT ENTAILS WILL BE AT THE POTENTIAL COST
OF OTHER PRIORITIES.

SO IT'S -- I THINK IT'S TERRIBLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP IN MIND THAT
WHATEVER WE SPEND MONEY ON NEEDS TO BE THAT WHICH WE ALL CONCLUDE HAS HIGH
PRIORITY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THE HIGHEST PRIORITY THE ORGANIZATION HAS
IS TO PERFORM ITS OPERATIONAL FUNCTION.

SO I WOULD, AS A BOARD MEMBER, ARGUE THAT IN ANY PRIORITIZATION OF OUR
BUDGET, THAT WE HOLD ABSOLUTELY AT THE TOP OUR ABILITY TO CARRY OUT OUR WORK
IN A SATISFACTORY FASHION, AFTER WHICH ADDITIONAL FUNDING CAN BE ALLOCATED
ELSEWHERE.

PAUL.

>>PAUL TWOMEY: SORRY TO KEEP THIS CONVERSATION GOING, CHAIRMAN, BUT JUST TO
MARRY THOSE TWO IDEAS TOGETHER, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AS CEO, IT'S CLEAR TO ME
THAT HAVING MULTIPLE LANGUAGES USED FOR COMMUNICATIONS AND PARTICIPATION MAY
WELL BE VERY POSITIVE, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING DOCUMENTATION,
PARTICULARLY THE WORKING DOCUMENTATION OF THE ORGANIZATION, IT IS VERY
IMPORTANT WE HAVE THAT IN ONE LANGUAGE.

AND AT THE MOMENT, ENGLISH IS THE -- NOT JUST THE UNITED STATES, LANGUAGE OF
THE UNITED STATES, IT IS THE INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT POINT.

BECAUSE IF WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER ISSUES ABOUT TRANSLATION AND MULTIPLE
LANGUAGES, WHICH I THINK IS RIGHT, I WANT TO SET EXPECTATIONS THAT -- I DON'T
THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA AT ALL TO MOVE INTO HAVING MULTIPLE-LANGUAGE OFFICIAL
DOCUMENTATION.

I THINK THAT'S -- NOT ONLY IS IT EXPENSIVE, BUT IT ALSO BRINGS UNCERTAINTY
THAT -- A LOT OF UNCERTAINTY.

>>VINT CERF: IT SEEMS CLEAR THAT THERE IS SOME UTILITY IN SEPARATING THE
WRITTEN DOCUMENTATION FROM THE ORAL COMMUNICATION, FOR ONE THING.

AND, SECOND, I THINK WE HAVE SUCCEEDED IN PRODUCING NON-ENGLISH MATERIAL,
WHICH, IF NOT OFFICIAL, AT LEAST IS INFORMATIVE.

AND AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T TAKE ON OFFICIAL MEANING, THEN TO THE EXTENT THAT
IT'S AVAILABLE, IT'S USEFUL.

THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I'VE BEEN AN ENTHUSIAST FOR REGIONAL MEETINGS, IS
THAT THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN HAVE LANGUAGE WORK GOING ON THERE
INDEPENDENT OF A TYPICAL ICANN MEETING.

OKAY, WELL, WE ACTUALLY FILLED UP ALL THE TIME ANYWAY.

BUT I APPRECIATE VERY MUCH EVERYONE'S PARTICIPATION.

WE RESTART TOMORROW -- HELP ME HERE.

IS IT AT 9:00? YES, THANK YOU, AT 0900 IN THIS ROOM.

SO I HOPE YOU HAVE A PLEASANT EVENING.

(6:00 P.M.)