Re: [Membership]It's the Bandwidth, s..(was: A Model for Community)

[jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Joop and all,

Joop Teernstra wrote:

At 01:10 PM 3/13/99 +0000, "Jeff Williams" wrote:
>Esther and all,
>
>  Pure nonsense Esther.  And furthermore you know it is nonsense or
>should know.  Almost Browsers have very advanced Graphics
>capability.
>
>Esther Dyson wrote:
>
>> .... basically, anything more complicated than e-mail or a graphics-free
>> Website is going to leave a lot of people out.
>>

Dear all,

For those who have moved beyond NY city or the highways of Texas, I'm
probably saying nothing new.
When have you last picked up a phone and heard:"Sorry, all circuits are
busy. Please dial again later."
Jeff, would you please consider this: If you happen to connect from outside
the capital in a less-developed country, do you realize that even email
trickles in at a speed of 1K per minute or sometimes even less?

  I live in a town that has less than 900 people in total population
just
north of Dallas.  It is called Gunter Texas.  I have never
had the
problem you are describing.  In addition I own two other homes
one in a small town in Colorado, known as Canyon City Colorado,
about 14,000 in total population.  I have called my property management
fellow there frequently and never had this problem their either.
I have relatives that live in NYC area, upstate NY, Fire Island, and
in the Manhattan area as well.  Same story there as well, I have
never
had the Sorry, all circuits are busy. Please dial again later", problem
from their either.  So, I am sorry I cannot find that your contention
in this case is valid or reasonable to support Esthers contention.

Now lets move on to your next point....

>  
> Do you know that it takes between 15 and 20 minutes to see even a single
> email message through a web page like hotmail?
  I sure didn't!!  And where do you get this idea?  From
what service
are you getting this kind of idea.  Even on this two year old
laptop
I have never had that bad of performance.
>  
> Most people connect through internet cafe's that do a roaring business,
> but
> are dumbing down by the month.
  I am sorry Joop, this is categorically incorrect.  AOL users
alone account
for about 47million users.  They are not an Internet cafe!!
> (Most new owners know nothing about the
> internet, a far cry from the early days, when hobbyists ran the cafe's.)
> Almost nobody has a local POP box, most newbies know only of web based
> mail--graphics turned off.
  Most browsers sold or installed sense 1994 are by default, completely
graphics ready.  SO again I can't agree with your contention on
this point
either.

 

Esther is entirely right. Keep it simple, or you exclude "a lot of people".

  This is NOT what Esther said Joop, I am suprised at you! 
:(
Esther said, "... basically, anything more complicated than e-mail
or a graphics-free
Website is going to leave a lot of people out."  <---- 
This is much
different to what you are contending.  My response was precisely
correct,
direct, and to the point to this ludicrous statement that Esther made!!!

  Now, I realize that you are trying to be nice to Esther.  And that is just fine.
But when anyone in her position makes a absolute ludicrous statement
that is well known to be non-factual it need to be pointed out, and STRONGLY
so!  If this is Esthers, and I hope not truly your, thinking, you are far
behind the curve.  In Esthers case, it is inexcusable....

 

>From the end of a very narrow pipe..
 

-Joop-
www.democracy.org.nz

Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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