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[Comment-Dnso] RE: ISP Constituency DNSO
We understand your concerns. But as you say below, we are looking for
"sectorial self-regulation and organization." If it is lacking, we will take
what steps are necessary to ensure that each constituency is appropriately
open - or that there is am "opposite" constituency to balance it.
Esther
At 10:12 AM 07/05/99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>Dear Esther,
>
>What we meant is that the draft was not out for the public comment before May
>3rd. If it had been there and had been commented and negociated, as other
>drafts for other constituencies have been, the ISP community might have
>reached and agreement that is now very difficult. This attitude has palced
>us in a very difficult situation, as there is no time to present
>"competing" drafts, which we do not believe is a good solution either.
>
>I will try to attend the Berlin meeting, but I am against on-site
>negotiations, as they would exclude most of the ISP community. The ISP
>constituency should follow and open and transparent process similar to the
>one that has been followed by other constituencies. It is painfull to see
>that this proposal forces ICANN to be the one to decide, instead of allowing
>sectorial self-regulation and organization. If we have read the ICANN
>chapter correctly, ICANN can not accept a constituency that has not followed
>that process and that clearly does not represent the community is has been
>called to represent. ICANN should assure that and agreement is reached by
>the professional ISP community, not allowing capture by a handfull of
>organizations.
>
>Manuel Hurtado
>President
>ISP Commission
>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>-----Mensaje original-----
>De: Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>
>Para: Manuel Hurtado <mhurtado@offcampus.es>
>CC: comment-dnso@icann.org <comment-dnso@icann.org>; discuss@dnso.org
><discuss@dnso.org>; msvh@icann.org <msvh@icann.org>; Joe Sims
><Joe_Sims@jonesday.com>; Mike Roberts <mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us>
>Fecha: jueves, 06 de mayo de 1999 16:47
>Asunto: Re: ISP Constituency DNSO
>
>
>You are certainly allowed to make public comments, and indeed you are doing
>so now. Thank you! We will post them for you. We hope you will send a
>representative to the meeting in Berlin, as well.
>
>Esther Dyson
>
>At 02:38 PM 06/05/99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,
>>
>>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations, without further
>consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of the DNSO.
>>
>>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISPīs that cover over 85%
>of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users). Nevertheless,
>we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP Constituency, nor
>have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter the group of funding
>organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not documents have been made
>public before this time. Please see the comments below to the proposed ISP
>Constituency.
>>
>>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been secretly prepared by the
>organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of public comments,
>nor allowing any other organisation to join in.
>>
>>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on their own
>judgement.
>>
>>*The rules for acceoting individual ISPīs are unclear, (because of
>language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISPīs. The "founding
>members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.
>>
>>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to accept candidates.
>This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council representatives
>before they have to accept anybody.
>>
>>*Their Chapter says that Associations will represent.................,
>making it very unclear who might become a NC representative.
>>
>>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be accepted by ICANN as
>it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no candidacy for ISPīs
>should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there is not enough time to
>carry on an open and trasparent process to create a chapter and a fair ISP
>Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry representation at
>this time, if this means assuring fair representation in the future.
>>
>>Manuel Hurtado
>>President
>>ISP Commission
>>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>>
>>
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>><DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,</FONT></DIV>
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>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations,
>>without further consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of
>the
>>DNSO.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISPīs
>that
>>cover over 85% of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users).
>>Nevertheless, we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP
>>Constituency, nor have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter
>the
>>group of funding organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not
>documents
>>have been made public before this time. Please see the comments below to
>the
>>proposed ISP Constituency.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been
>secretly
>>prepared by the organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of
>>public comments, nor allowing any other organisation to join
>in.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on
>>their own judgement.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The rules for acceoting individual ISPīs are unclear,
>>(because of language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISPīs. The
>>"founding members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to
>accept
>>candidates. This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council
>>representatives before they have to accept anybody.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>*Their Chapter says that Associations will
>>represent................., making it very unclear who might become a NC
>>representative.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be
>accepted
>>by ICANN as it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no
>>candidacy for ISPīs should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there
>is not
>>enough time to carry on an open and trasparent process to create a
>chapter
>>and a fair ISP Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry
>>representation at this time, if this means assuring fair representation in
>the
>>future.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>Manuel Hurtado</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>President</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>ISP Commission</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV> </DIV>
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>>
>
>
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Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
chairman, EDventure Holdings
interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
edyson@edventure.com
1 (212) 924-8800
1 (212) 924-0240 fax
104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
New York, NY 10011 USA
http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org
High-Tech Forum in Europe: 24 to 26 October 1999, Budapest
PC Forum: March 2000, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
Book: "Release 2.0: A design for living in the digital age"