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[Comment-Dnso] RE: ISP Constituency DNSO
Hello Esther,
While your stated goals are admirable,
they are not sufficient.
As I've written to you before, the timing
of the formation of these constituencies
is critical.
If only a handful get approved initially,
then *they* will determine the policies
for the entire DNSO via the Names Council.
How will the ICANN Board address this
potentially biased outcome.
Jay.
At 04:58 PM 5/9/99 , Esther Dyson wrote:
>We understand your concerns. But as you say below, we are looking for
>"sectorial self-regulation and organization." If it is lacking, we will take
>what steps are necessary to ensure that each constituency is appropriately
>open - or that there is am "opposite" constituency to balance it.
>
>Esther
>
>At 10:12 AM 07/05/99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>>Dear Esther,
>>
>>What we meant is that the draft was not out for the public comment before May
>>3rd. If it had been there and had been commented and negociated, as other
>>drafts for other constituencies have been, the ISP community might have
>>reached and agreement that is now very difficult. This attitude has palced
>>us in a very difficult situation, as there is no time to present
>>"competing" drafts, which we do not believe is a good solution either.
>>
>>I will try to attend the Berlin meeting, but I am against on-site
>>negotiations, as they would exclude most of the ISP community. The ISP
>>constituency should follow and open and transparent process similar to the
>>one that has been followed by other constituencies. It is painfull to see
>>that this proposal forces ICANN to be the one to decide, instead of allowing
>>sectorial self-regulation and organization. If we have read the ICANN
>>chapter correctly, ICANN can not accept a constituency that has not followed
>>that process and that clearly does not represent the community is has been
>>called to represent. ICANN should assure that and agreement is reached by
>>the professional ISP community, not allowing capture by a handfull of
>>organizations.
>>
>>Manuel Hurtado
>>President
>>ISP Commission
>>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>>-----Mensaje original-----
>>De: Esther Dyson <edyson@edventure.com>
>>Para: Manuel Hurtado <mhurtado@offcampus.es>
>>CC: comment-dnso@icann.org <comment-dnso@icann.org>; discuss@dnso.org
>><discuss@dnso.org>; msvh@icann.org <msvh@icann.org>; Joe Sims
>><Joe_Sims@jonesday.com>; Mike Roberts <mmr@darwin.ptvy.ca.us>
>>Fecha: jueves, 06 de mayo de 1999 16:47
>>Asunto: Re: ISP Constituency DNSO
>>
>>
>>You are certainly allowed to make public comments, and indeed you are doing
>>so now. Thank you! We will post them for you. We hope you will send a
>>representative to the meeting in Berlin, as well.
>>
>>Esther Dyson
>>
>>At 02:38 PM 06/05/99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>>>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,
>>>
>>>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations, without further
>>consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of the DNSO.
>>>
>>>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISPīs that cover over 85%
>>of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users). Nevertheless,
>>we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP Constituency, nor
>>have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter the group of funding
>>organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not documents have been made
>>public before this time. Please see the comments below to the proposed ISP
>>Constituency.
>>>
>>>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been secretly prepared by the
>>organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of public comments,
>>nor allowing any other organisation to join in.
>>>
>>>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on their own
>>judgement.
>>>
>>>*The rules for acceoting individual ISPīs are unclear, (because of
>>language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISPīs. The "founding
>>members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.
>>>
>>>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to accept candidates.
>>This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council representatives
>>before they have to accept anybody.
>>>
>>>*Their Chapter says that Associations will represent.................,
>>making it very unclear who might become a NC representative.
>>>
>>>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be accepted by ICANN as
>>it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no candidacy for ISPīs
>>should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there is not enough time to
>>carry on an open and trasparent process to create a chapter and a fair ISP
>>Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry representation at
>>this time, if this means assuring fair representation in the future.
>>>
>>>Manuel Hurtado
>>>President
>>>ISP Commission
>>>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>>>
>>>
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>>><DIV><FONT size=2>Dear Directors nad Staff of ICANN,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is very sad to see that some ISP organizations,
>>>without further consultation, are trying to capture the ISP Constituency of
>>the
>>>DNSO.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC is a trade organisation that represents ISPīs
>>that
>>>cover over 85% of Internet traffic in Spain, (85% of over 2,000,000 users).
>>>Nevertheless, we have not been consulted on the formation of the ISP
>>>Constituency, nor have been allowed to make public comments, nor to enter
>>the
>>>group of funding organisation of the DNSO ISP Constituency, as not
>>documents
>>>have been made public before this time. Please see the comments below to
>>the
>>>proposed ISP Constituency.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The ISP proposal that has been presented has been
>>secretly
>>>prepared by the organisations that have signed it, without solicitation of
>>>public comments, nor allowing any other organisation to join
>>in.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*They reserve the right to accept other organisations, on
>>>their own judgement.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The rules for acceoting individual ISPīs are unclear,
>>>(because of language), but we are afraid that they exclude small ISPīs. The
>>>"founding members" are the only judges of what is acceptable.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*The "founding members" give themselves three months to
>>accept
>>>candidates. This allows them time to hold elections to Names Council
>>>representatives before they have to accept anybody.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*Their Chapter says that Associations will
>>>represent................., making it very unclear who might become a NC
>>>representative.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>*We believe that this candidacy is not prepared to be
>>accepted
>>>by ICANN as it is, and -as there is no time to present new ones- no
>>>candidacy for ISPīs should be accepted by ICANN at this meeting, as there
>>is not
>>>enough time to carry on an open and trasparent process to create a
>>chapter
>>>and a fair ISP Constituency. We prefer to have to have no ISP industry
>>>representation at this time, if this means assuring fair representation in
>>the
>>>future.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>Manuel Hurtado</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>President</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ISP Commission</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT size=2>ASIMELEC-www.asimelec.es
>>><DIV> </DIV>
>>><DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
>>chairman, EDventure Holdings
>>interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
>>edyson@edventure.com
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>Esther Dyson Always make new mistakes!
>chairman, EDventure Holdings
>interim chairman, Internet Corp. for Assigned Names & Numbers
>edyson@edventure.com
>1 (212) 924-8800
>1 (212) 924-0240 fax
>104 Fifth Avenue (between 15th and 16th Streets; 20th floor)
>New York, NY 10011 USA
>http://www.edventure.com http://www.icann.org
>
>High-Tech Forum in Europe: 24 to 26 October 1999, Budapest
>PC Forum: March 2000, Scottsdale (Phoenix), Arizona
>Book: "Release 2.0: A design for living in the digital age"
>
Respectfully,
Jay Fenello
President, Iperdome, Inc. 404-943-0524
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