[Comment-Dnso] Re: A big problem with the ISP constituency

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@ix.netcom.com>]

Michael and all,

  Mr. Schneider, what you fail to understand is that the problems that
the ICANN and the DNSO have are centered in "Process".  The process
is and has been globally viewed as VERY flawed.

Michael Schneider wrote:

> At 16:14 17.05.99 +0200, Manuel Hurtado wrote:
>
> >
> > We seem to be in different wavelenghts.
>
> I see.
>
> >
> > What we are discussing here is not how representative EuroIspa is or is not.
> > EuroIspa is an association that has members in several European countries,
> > but it is very far from representing European ISPīs. As one more association,
> > it has a clear right to participate in the ISP constituency, but if you
> > believe that other organisations must participate in this constiruency
> > through EuroIspa, you are wrong.
>
> I don't and never did. May I quote my latest posting ? It said:
>
> >> In any event, I feel that all this is ultimately immaterial, as you are
> perfectly free to join DNSO's ISP constituency if you believe that EuroISPA is
> not able to speak for Spain. <<
>
> Frankly, I'm tired of repeating myself.
>
> >
> > The problem still remains. The way the ISP constituency has been planned,
> > most of us are excluded from the founding members and it is up to you to
> > decide who joins and who does not.
>
> I would not dream of doing that.
>
> >
> > You still do not seem to understand that the problem is open process, for
> > wich you have given no opportunity to other organisations.
>
> You had and still have the opportunity, but you're obviously still preferring
> to argue about process instead of substance.
>
> >
> > We believe that the ISP constituency should open a comment period on its
> > document and should openly ask for founding members, as other more democratic
> > constituencies have done. Once all these members are on board you may start
> > making rules and elections, but closing the door on everybody before time and
> > them being the gatekeeper will just not work.
> >
> > Unless we see a very clear opening before Berlin, we will present another
> > draft to ICANN next week, a draft for a democratic ISP constituency.
>
> It's up to you.
>
> >
> > It will be as easy as  sending it to ICANN.
>
> Indeed.
>
> >
> > We do prefer that discussions be conducted publically and in a transparent
> > way.
>
> I agree.
>
> >
> > Now, two very direct and public questions:
> >
> > Are the signatories of your draft prepared to open the document for a public
> > comment period or not?
>
> Of course. Please read the 1st sentence of the Intro's 2nd paragraph:
>
> >> In the view of the undersigned, this document will until its ratification by
> the ICANN Board remain the basis for further discussion and revisions. <<
>
> >
> > Are they prepared to accept as founding members all those who wish to be so?.
>
> Of course (if they have a stake in the ISP business).
>
> M.S.

Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
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